They have a real problem understanding proportion, and risk analysis. They've always been overly aware of crime.
Love responding to something old. Cookies where are you. Edge is about to go out the door.
They have a real problem understanding proportion, and risk analysis. They've always been overly aware of crime.Without arguing the details, I for one am totally open to doing ANYTHING that helps keep me and my family safe. It may not be perfect, but to do nothing is asinine. I am not saying you are arguing against it, but this sort of black and white thinking is what keeps people form doing anything.
Masks aren't perfect-don't wear masks at all.
Vaccine isn't perfect - don't get vaccinated.
Omicron is not totally stopped even with a booster - don't get a booster.
Without masks and vaccines, things would be infinitely worse, yet there are millions of people who would do nothing because it doesn'1t fix everything perfectly. Conservative brains are broken.
It's not weird at all. Only your fixation on it is.
Exactly why would I want to avoid a vaccine if I had been infected?
If I had been infected, I would only be happy to get the extra protection that a vaccine offers. Especially given the mutating nature of COVID and the breakthrough infections.
Natural Immunity is another common talking point for Antivaxxers, but it doesn't hold any water as an excuse to not get vaccinated.
Likewise your appeal to save money by vaccinating less, seems utterly absurd given the prices of vaccine vs the cost of even one hospitalization.
Your shtick is quite tiresome. You claim to be super well informed, then repeat absurd antivaxx talking points.
1) The goverment of the UK seems to agree with me. Are THEY anti-vaxxers?You’re spreading more anti-vax misinformation.
1) vaccinating kids is important for their health as well as the health of others.
2) having just been to LA the idea that 50% of people outdoors are wearing masks is laughable. This is either a super edge case or you’re lying.
Based on your posts, I know exactly where you live - Fantasy Land.You don't even know where I live exactly
That's funny! But yes, LaLaLand is certainly a place where a LARGE part of the population has no connection with reality anymore.Based on your posts, I know exactly where you live - Fantasy Land.
It’s the hypocrisy that we on the left hate that is coming from the extreme right. So accept their right to choose if they mask or vaccinate. But yet they can control what complete strangers do with an unwanted pregnancy? Respect their right to shop without a mask. But then they complain when a private business limits who can enter. Why the vocal minority think their rights supersede the responsible majority.My only problem is with MANDATING that everybody get a shot that should be optional, just like the flu vaccine is. That's it!
That's exactly SO many of you putting me in the group of right-wingers is so bizarrely wrong. I'm NOT a right winger AT ALL. I can't BELIEVE that Roe v Wade might actually be overturned in this country, it's a disaster and a huge step back to the fucking middle ages, pardon my French.It’s the hypocrisy that we on the left hate that is coming from the extreme right. So accept their right to choose if they mask or vaccinate. But yet they can control what complete strangers do with an unwanted pregnancy? Respect their right to shop without a mask. But then they complain when a private business limits who can enter. Why the vocal minority think their rights supersede the responsible majority.
I'm still not convinced that vaccine mandates make much sense at all, even in settings you mentioned, but everything else is MORE than reasonable.Here's my 2 cents on the whole matter, now almost 2 years into it.
The right has yet again successfully poisoned the well as far as any mitigation efforts go. And to be honest, I don't know if there is any strong appetite for any strong measures, anyway - regardless of what a tiny sliver of majorities in polls show (or at least, used to). And we're seeing this in other countries too, not just the US.
The GOP is already all but assured to take the house, maybe the Dems have an outside shot at keeping and/or slightly expanding their Senate majority but unlikely. And once again the Dems are losing the messaging battle, BIG time (think CRT, but worse). They now risk making this a losing political issue and head into 2022/2024 and suffer even bigger losses than predicted. I hate to use the term damage control, but if we want to avoid GOP super majorities, that's exactly what it is. Mind you, I'm not saying this because the GOP is going to run on some sort of wildly popular or useful agenda, but their messaging machine is great at the last minute.
None of these are necessarily my original ideas, but what I would focus on moving forward:
1). Continue to work on, refine and promote vaccines. Mandates where they make sense (healthcare, travel industry, military, etc). Try to turn this into the seasonal flu shot in the near future.
2). Continue to also focus on therapeutics - go "Operation Warp Speed" on this and try to release something akin to Tamiflu. OTC even? Not sure where Pfizer and Merck are with this. Maybe a pipe dream but at least something that your family doc can easily and readily prescribe. Even if it's not a silver bullet but decreases symptom severity/duration (like Tamiflu) and keeps you out of the hospital, it would be huge. This could be Biden's legacy, too.
3). Agree with more at-home tests, cheaper, more available (yes I know this has been mentioned and is being worked on).
The above 3 alone would GREATLY decrease the heavy burden on our strained healthcare system.
4). Spend money to improve surge capacity at our busiest hospitals. I don't know if this means expanding ICU wings, ER capacity, entirely new buildings for overflow altogether (not to mention the additional staffing it would require). It would probably be very costly and wouldn't happen overnight, but this step must be taken as there will continue to be future variants especially as vaccination holdouts continue. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. But we can't continue to have our healthcare system go through the ringer every time there's a surge.
5). Do WHATEVER IT TAKES to help with healthcare worker burnout, fatigue, and threats. Make it a federal crime to threaten a healthcare worker. Offer FULL student loan repayment for those physicians that have been mired in this muck the longest (I think some states have done this, or something similar?). Whatever incentives/protections it takes.
Just my thoughts, happy to hear any feedback.
Yeah the whole ‘I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I’m going to constantly push anti-vaccine nonsense’ is really getting old.It's not weird at all. Only your fixation on it is.
Exactly why would I want to avoid a vaccine if I had been infected?
If I had been infected, I would only be happy to get the extra protection that a vaccine offers. Especially given the mutating nature of COVID and the breakthrough infections.
Natural Immunity is another common talking point for Antivaxxers, but it doesn't hold any water as an excuse to not get vaccinated.
Likewise your appeal to save money by vaccinating less, seems utterly absurd given the prices of vaccine vs the cost of even one hospitalization.
Your shtick is quite tiresome. You claim to be super well informed, then repeat absurd antivaxx talking points.
okay so you’re saying in one small part of LA that’s the case? Seems important to say, right?1) The goverment of the UK seems to agree with me. Are THEY anti-vaxxers?
2) I didn't say LA, I said on MY WALK. You don't even know where I live exactly and I promise you, the level of irrational fear differs GREATLY by neighborhood. Again with the incredibly dumb insinuation that I would be lying.....
I'm not saying anyone should "avoid" vaccination. Why do you guys keep putting words in my mouth? It really shows you guys are not thinking clearly.
Listen man, natural immunity is real, and the more I learn about it, the more I realize it's robust, and as far as protection against severe disease goes, long lasting, even with the new variants that we KNOW of.
The WHO by the way says to NOT boost healthy people; are THEY anti-vaxxers? Are THEY a fringe group?
Distributing Covid-19 vaccine booster shots in some countries while inoculations across Africa lag is "immoral," according to the director general of the World Health Organization (WHO).
You keep calling my claims "absurd", but they are clearly not.
I haven't said a SINGLE ANTI vaccine thing, except perhaps I had hoped they had worked in a sterilizing manner for longer than they turn out to do.Yeah the whole ‘I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I’m going to constantly push anti-vaccine nonsense’ is really getting old.
As omicron shows, natural immunity is not an option.
okay so you’re saying in one small part of LA that’s the case? Seems important to say, right?
Remember when you said getting covid again was a viable alternative to vaccination? Lol.
Well, at least you make some real arguments.Sure you did.
You argued that Health care workers who had COVID shouldn't have to comply with vaccine mandates.
Non compliance is avoidance.
And again, you are advocating against vaccines. How else could obtain "natural" immunity unless you avoid vaccination. Advocating "natural" herd immunity is again another antivaxxer stance.
The WHO isn't against boosters because of lack of effectiveness. They wan't wealthy countries to send those vaccines to poorer countries first. It's about morality, not disease protection:
MSN
www.msn.com
WHO would have no issue with boosters if Africa was vaccinated, you still would, so they aren't "on your side".
No, your claims are absurd, you just spew a bunch of antivaxxer talking points. Then point to some action from somewhere in the world, out of context, and claim it backs you, when it doesn't.
How about one word:Show me ONE study that shows vaccination works better at protecting you from severe disease or death than previous infection AT EQUAL TIMES. The last part is crucial, because, whether you like it or not, being exposed to Covid again after recovery from a previous infection has an extremely similar result in your body as getting a booster.
Well, at least you make some real arguments.
Firstly I'm not ADVOCATING natural immunity, I never said one should PREFER getting Covid over getting a vaccine, quite the contrary.
But yes, their main reasoning is that we should help those in poor countries who haven't been able to even get their first shot BEFORE we boost healthy people.
because I believe we can leave that decision up to the man or woman that not that long ago RISKED his or her life BEFORE we had vaccines, or even knew much at all, those we called HEROES, now MUST take the shot or be terminated.
Thank you for proving my point.I haven't said a SINGLE ANTI vaccine thing, except perhaps I had hoped they had worked in a sterilizing manner for longer than they turn out to do.
Show me ONE study that shows vaccination works better at protecting you from severe disease or death than previous infection AT EQUAL TIMES. The last part is crucial, because, whether you like it or not, being exposed to Covid again after recovery from a previous infection has an extremely similar result in your body as getting a booster.
As far as LA goes: what are you going on about? "One small part"? Now it's my turn to LOL.
Listen, let me put it this way: the whiter, the more scared, and of course, the richer the more scared. My neighborhood is more of the first. It's saddens me, because I know they have wildly inflated assumptions of the REAL risk. It just doesn't make sense to make kids live in a world where the other is so scary, when the reality is there is virtually no danger to them, except a small subset with certain comorbidities. Vaccinate those and let them live!
Now seem ready to fund vaccinating the rest of the world, just to keep the mandates out of your backyard.
...along the banks of the lovely denial river.Based on your posts, I know exactly where you live - Fantasy Land.
To deny that they have any protection at all is as anti-scientific as it gets.
Another government from another country (UK) agrees with you on what's taking place in the United States, and what's best for the citizens of the United States? OR is their research based on the UK and what is happening in the UK based on their citizens, which have hundreds of different influences that are vastly different than here in the United states?1) The goverment of the UK seems to agree with me. Are THEY anti-vaxxers?
2) I didn't say LA, I said on MY WALK. You don't even know where I live exactly and I promise you, the level of irrational fear differs GREATLY by neighborhood. Again with the incredibly dumb insinuation that I would be lying.....
This is about humans, and the English are not THAT different from the Americans. Well, I guess the latter's children are far more obese, which IS a serious comorbidity. Your water analogy is preposterous, I wont even go there...Another government from another country (UK) agrees with you on what's taking place in the United States, and what's best for the citizens of the United States? OR is their research based on the UK and what is happening in the UK based on their citizens, which have hundreds of different influences that are vastly different than here in the United states?
Basically your argument is like trying to argue that the water in New York is the same as the water in Dallas based on the research done in Dallas using Dallas's water supply.
Interesting history about smallpox; learned a lot today! It's a terrible comparison to Corona, you know, with a 30% death rate an such.How about one word:
smallpox
Lol ‘indiscriminately’.This is about humans, and the English are not THAT different from the Americans. Well, I guess the latter's children are far more obese, which IS a serious comorbidity. Your water analogy is preposterous, I wont even go there...
Whole point I was trying to make was, that believing under 18s should be vaccinated indiscriminately is NOT accepted science worldwide, it just isn't. In the black & white world of THIS forum you guys seem to only want to have it either/or but it's not that simple.