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brycejones

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I have used berberine to cure strep throat, and it supposedly can cure stapf infections as well. Berberine is barberry root extract combined with goldenseal root extract and is one, if not the most potent natural antibiotic in existence. I strongly suspect that it will heal Covid if it's not a case where someone already had to be intubated. It works over the course of a week just like amoxicillin and other prescribed antibiotics. The good thing is that berberine does not destroy the body's natural flora like the prescription antibiotics do. Additionally berberine reduces blood pressure, high cholesterol, and helps regulate blood sugar levels. Even if it could cure Covid there is no vested interest in promoting it because the pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be making any money off of it.

sorry I can’t keep track of everyone’s professions here. What is your level of medical or scientific training and experience?
 
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conehead433

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sorry I can’t keep track of everyone’s professions here. What is your level of medical or scientific training and experience?
I'm retired,, but my profession has little to do with the effectiveness of berberine. You obviously have the Internet, do your own research.
 

VW MAN

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I'm retired,, but my profession has little to do with the effectiveness of berberine. You obviously have the Internet, do your own research.

How did you conduct your research in this matter? Where has your study been published and peer reviewed? What controls did you use to verify your conclusions?...or are you just another idiot scrolling faceyspace while taking a shit and calling that "research"?
 
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brycejones

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I'm retired,, but my profession has little to do with the effectiveness of berberine. You obviously have the Internet, do your own research.
Has berberine shown any effectiveness against viruses? You listed bacterial infections as things you have used it for in the past. Do you understand how different viruses and bacteria are? Do you take it to to treat a cold or the flu?

“Do your own research” is the bull shit phrase of those who can’t back their assertions up.
 

akugami

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I looked up berberine. The most conclusive thing you can say about it is, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, we need more studies. There is zero conclusive evidence it works as an antimicrobial or antiviral. All publicly available articles from credible sources (and I only did a quick search) says more studies needed. So...yeah...
 

conehead433

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Actually berberine is effective againt bacterial infections and viruses. And with bacterial infections it does not seem to matter if the infections are gram positive or gram negative. I did mention that I had used it to treat strep throat. I've used it twice for strep throat, which is a serious infection. I used it for walking pneumonia. I apparently was exposed to something toxic on two different occasions and experienced burning mouth syndrome, which can be more painful than strep. Berberine cured it both times. No I'm not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday In Express last night. Additionally I have not been to a doctor for a medical problem since 1987.
 
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conehead433

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I looked up berberine. The most conclusive thing you can say about it is, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, we need more studies. There is zero conclusive evidence it works as an antimicrobial or antiviral. All publicly available articles from credible sources (and I only did a quick search) says more studies needed. So...yeah...
"Previous studies suggest that berberine, an isoquinoline alkaloid, has shown various biological activities that may help against COVID-19 and SARS, including antiviral, anti-allergy and inflammation, hepatoprotection against drug- and infection-induced liver injury, as well as reducing oxidative stress."
Getting someone to further study berberine is the problem. Pharmaceutical companies have zero interest in studying herbal formulas because they can't make money off of them.
 

akugami

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"Previous studies suggest that berberine, an isoquinoline alkaloid, has shown various biological activities that may help against COVID-19 and SARS, including antiviral, anti-allergy and inflammation, hepatoprotection against drug- and infection-induced liver injury, as well as reducing oxidative stress."
Getting someone to further study berberine is the problem. Pharmaceutical companies have zero interest in studying herbal formulas because they can't make money off of them.

Citation for your quote?

And even your unsourced quote says "may help" and does not say "does help." There's a world of difference in one word. Furthermore, it includes "Getting someone to further study berberine is the problem" which points to more studies needed. As per my original comment on berberine, it's a big fat maybe with no conclusive evidence from any credible source. And also points to pharmaceutical companies thinking it's not worth studying, because the antimicrobial properties (if any) are not strong enough to make it worthwhile.

I disagree with the claim that pharmaceuticals are not studying berberine because they can't make money off of it. I think they don't study it because it may not be strong enough to be a worthwhile medicine. Pharmaceuticals study any and all possible antimicrobial or antiviral agents. They go to the heart of the damn Amazon rainforest and the bottom of the ocean looking for new antimicrobials and antivirals. Berberine does not seem difficult to source or produce since it comes from several different plants. If it was as good as you claim, the pharmaceuticals would be all over it. Especially in the fight against antibiotic resistance.
 

brycejones

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"Previous studies suggest that berberine, an isoquinoline alkaloid, has shown various biological activities that may help against COVID-19 and SARS, including antiviral, anti-allergy and inflammation, hepatoprotection against drug- and infection-induced liver injury, as well as reducing oxidative stress."
Getting someone to further study berberine is the problem. Pharmaceutical companies have zero interest in studying herbal formulas because they can't make money off of them.
Needs more tinfoil. Ignores all the studies that are done by groups outside of the pharmaceutical industry. But hey keep on keeping on with your own personal conspiracy theory.
 
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Hail The Brain Slug

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Citation for your quote?

And even your unsourced quote says "may help" and does not say "does help." There's a world of difference in one word. Furthermore, it includes "Getting someone to further study berberine is the problem" which points to more studies needed. As per my original comment on berberine, it's a big fat maybe with no conclusive evidence from any credible source. And also points to pharmaceutical companies thinking it's not worth studying, because the antimicrobial properties (if any) are not strong enough to make it worthwhile.

I disagree with the claim that pharmaceuticals are not studying berberine because they can't make money off of it. I think they don't study it because it may not be strong enough to be a worthwhile medicine. Pharmaceuticals study any and all possible antimicrobial or antiviral agents. They go to the heart of the damn Amazon rainforest and the bottom of the ocean looking for new antimicrobials and antivirals. Berberine does not seem difficult to source or produce since it comes from several different plants. If it was as good as you claim, the pharmaceuticals would be all over it. Especially in the fight against antibiotic resistance.

Well said, exactly what I wanted to say but put better than I could.

People need to understand Pharmaceuticals is a market that is constantly evolving. All drug companies are engaged in research constantly. If drug companies won't investigate it, it's because it's not good enough to be worth investigating.

This reminds me of the drug company that was developing a covid-19 vaccine. They halted development because they said it was not as effective as natural immunity and other vaccines being developed by competitors.

Somehow the Q conspiracy crowd decided to simply lop off that last detail and it spread like wildfire that this was "the only honest drug company" and parroted that vaccines are a government scam that aren't effective and that we should all be getting sick with covid to get the coveted natural immunity.

All while in reality they abandoned their vaccine research because they had a non-starter that wouldn't be effective enough to offer as an alternative to pfizer/moderna or even J&J. And it was too late for them to start all over again (they would be beat to market by every other vaccine candidate we are familiar with today by miles).
 

conehead433

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So the next time your doctor suggests you take something ask him to show you his research.
"The proportion of US physicians engaged in research has decreased from a peak of 4.7% of the overall physician workforce in the 1980s to approximately 1.5% today. "
 
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Paratus

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I'm retired,, but my profession has little to do with the effectiveness of berberine. You obviously have the Internet, do your own research.
Ok. So from what I could glean from somewhat reputable looking scientific papers, it’s a plant alkaloid. According to one pilot study Berberine does have a beneficial glycemic effect on diabetes and does lower cholesterol.


It’s used in China OTC for intestinal infections and does have some antibiotic properties.

Usage can cause some mild intestinal upset. Continued usage at very high dosages can cause liver damage.

Nothing I’ve found so far directly suggests it has antiviral properties.

That’s the information I was able to find with a few minutes of searching.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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So the next time your doctor suggests you take something ask him to show you his research.
"The proportion of US physicians engaged in research has decreased from a peak of 4.7% of the overall physician workforce in the 1980s to approximately 1.5% today. "

Amazing, where do you to go a real doctor who doesn't practice evidence based medicine? Anytime my doctor recommends I take something unusual, she cites studies she has read and willingly provides me with them.

You, on the other hand, haven't actually cited a single source you've been willing to provide.
 

RY62

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Please tell us what valid reasons have been shown for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as treatment for covid.

As for Sotrovimab, it was approved by the FDA for emergency use treatment of covid months ago.

My point was that the vaccines are not working as we had hoped and that, in my opinion, there should be a greater emphasis on treatment and other forms of prevention. I used those 2 drugs as examples we all would recognize, not to say that they are effective as treatments but illustrate how so many were quick to say they would not or could not work, even while there were and are still clinical trials in progress. The reasons as to how those drugs work and why they were selected for clinical trials are available to anyone. I'm also well aware of the FDA approval of Sotrovimab and the ongoing studies for use as a prophylactic. While vaccines remain the primary option for covid prevention, mAbs are an effective treatment for those already infected, and at least one is showing the potential to prevent infection, illness and death by the delta variant on par with the current vaccines.

The current vaccines are not going to get us to herd immunity and are proving to not be effective enough against the delta variant at preventing infection, transmission, illness or death that we can count on vaccines alone to give us a chance at returning to normal. This point was not based on my own research but the opinions of the head of the CDC and that of the Chief Investigator on the University of Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx-1 n-CoV-19) trials.

I don't mean to sound anti-vax in any way. Vaccines have eliminated and/or controlled some horrible infectious diseases and will continue to do so. It's just quite apparent that the current crop of covid vaccines aren't living up to expectations.

Since I presented no research or data of my own, my education level, areas of expertise, work experience or any other personal information is irrelevant and off limits to discussion on a public, worldwide forum.
 

ch33zw1z

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They're living up to the reasonable expectations that were presented last year. No reasonable person expected it to be a "cute", simply immuno armor to avoid as many serious illnesses and deaths as possible.

The current vaccines provide effective protection, and that includes Delta variant. Not every vax delta case will be contagious, or a break thru.

People not taking the vaccine will certainly contribute to widespread outbreaks and more variants.
 
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My point was that the vaccines are not working as we had hoped and that, in my opinion, there should be a greater emphasis on treatment and other forms of prevention. I used those 2 drugs as examples we all would recognize, not to say that they are effective as treatments but illustrate how so many were quick to say they would not or could not work, even while there were and are still clinical trials in progress. The reasons as to how those drugs work and why they were selected for clinical trials are available to anyone. I'm also well aware of the FDA approval of Sotrovimab and the ongoing studies for use as a prophylactic. While vaccines remain the primary option for covid prevention, mAbs are an effective treatment for those already infected, and at least one is showing the potential to prevent infection, illness and death by the delta variant on par with the current vaccines.

The current vaccines are not going to get us to herd immunity and are proving to not be effective enough against the delta variant at preventing infection, transmission, illness or death that we can count on vaccines alone to give us a chance at returning to normal. This point was not based on my own research but the opinions of the head of the CDC and that of the Chief Investigator on the University of Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx-1 n-CoV-19) trials.

I don't mean to sound anti-vax in any way. Vaccines have eliminated and/or controlled some horrible infectious diseases and will continue to do so. It's just quite apparent that the current crop of covid vaccines aren't living up to expectations.

Since I presented no research or data of my own, my education level, areas of expertise, work experience or any other personal information is irrelevant and off limits to discussion on a public, worldwide forum.

Fair enough and I don’t agree. Vaccines work better than I expected but I know expectations can change.
Our vaccines are really, really good at keeping you out of the hospital and preventing death.
Sure having an over the counter cheap & safe treatment would be an awesome addition. Just not sure how realistic it is to expect that within the foreseeable future.

Look at it this way do you prefer to have a great treatment for measles or a great vaccine for measles? Having both is wonderful having one or the other I’ll take the vaccine every time.
 

UNCjigga

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I think I posted this last year, but I'm continuously amazed at the accuracy of Hollywood's depiction of the Alan Krumwiede character from Contagion.

I remember when I first watched this movie pre-Covid, I thought this conspiracy nut caricature was wait too over the top and a bad performance by Jude Law. Now I understand that he was 3-4 essential pandemic characters rolled into one--the virus origin/bioweapon conspiracy nut, the anti-vaxx/anti-CDC crusader and the snake oil grifter.

The common thread with these Covidiots is that they HATE any sort of authority other than themselves. When governments need to flex the muscles of containment to stop a pandemic, they naturally push back, whether or not it's in their interest to do so. They can't help themselves. It's why they are an open receptacle for any anti-government/anti-authority misinformation during times like these.
 
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Paratus

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Fair enough and I don’t agree. Vaccines work better than I expected but I know expectations can change.
Our vaccines are really, really good at keeping you out of the hospital and preventing death.
Sure having an over the counter cheap & safe treatment would be an awesome addition. Just not sure how realistic it is to expect that within the foreseeable future.

Look at it this way do you prefer to have a great treatment for measles or a great vaccine for measles? Having both is wonderful having one or the other I’ll take the vaccine every time.

I don’t ever expect a “cure” for Covid. We’ve been trying to create anti-viral drug treatments for various diseases for decades and it’s really difficult. The best we have for the flu are drugs like Tamiflu which merely reduce the severity and duration.

We mostly don’t have antivirals that work with the same efficacy as antibiotics on bacteria which is what it seems he would prefer.
 
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