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conehead433

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You keep putting statements in quotes without any sited sources!! Who the fuck is saying those things you are quoting?

And you conveniently ignored my question earlier about how you conduct your research, at this point I do not think you even need to bother answering because your posts are telling everyone here with a half a brain that you are a big idiot and your research comes from propagandized Q memes and other such bullshit!

You can fuck off now, thank you very much!
Covid & Berberine https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33749932/
Doctors doing research https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ch-as-their-major-professional_fig2_259115016
I believe I made it pretty clear that I'm not a doctor, and the only research I have done is use berberine for myself. To date it has cleared up every infection or virus I have gotten, and I have had some serious ones.
 

uclaLabrat

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The current vaccines for COVID are actually more effective than well established vaccines like the flu shot, shingles shot, etc. Those shots are in the 50-60% efficacy range. Even shots for things like HepA and B only have uptakes in the 80% range after the full course.
The idea that the COVID vaccine is somehow a failure is asinine. Right now in my state, the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated patients hospitalized with COVID is >9:1. That's pretty darn good. To put it simply, the only reason we're still in this mess is stupid people ruining life for the rest of us.


This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. All doctors generally practice using the best available research. However, its unlikely a specific doctor is studying your specific disease and so its stupid to expect all doctors to be able to pull up their personal papers on your personal disease. All doctors should be practicing using the best available research and data. Its almost by force actually because insurance companies do monitor requests for testing and medications and won't pay for things in general that don't have evidence behind it. Basically if a doctor is out there doing stuff not supported by the research and something bad happens leading to a lawsuit, he has zero defense and will lose the case hard. In malpractice suits, its doctors testifying against other doctors in a nutshell and the only thing to really talk about is what the evidence shows and the person involved either didn't follow it or did. You can at any time ask a doctor to show you the data behind a recommendation and they should be able to show you an article or guideline statement supporting his recommendation. However expecting your doctor to personally be researching your disease is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

As for the percentage of docs doing active research or not, that has to do with the distribution of academic physicians vs private practice physicians. Some docs go into academics. They do it because it's slower paced, they don't have to see as many patients and they have freedom to study things they think are interesting. However it pays less, there's pressure to compete and apply for grants, and there's a lot of uncompensated work you have to do like give talks, lectures, QI work for your organization, national committee work, etc etc. I think the pressure to apply for grants is probably the major detractor academic medicine and so many people go into private practice which is a different lifestyle: you see patients pretty much exclusively but your get paid nicely and don't have any uncompensated side work to deal with. There's also the fact that training programs are increasingly slanted towards private practice careers because of doctor shortages nationwide.
You guys are arguing the wrong thing: all (or most at least) doctors use "evidence based medicine" but very few conduct actual research. Primarily because physicians who actively research are generally medical professors at research universities. Most of those also see patients. But almost all of your family practice docs aren't conducting experiments, they're basically mechanics.
 

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Covid & Berberine https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33749932/
Doctors doing research https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ch-as-their-major-professional_fig2_259115016
I believe I made it pretty clear that I'm not a doctor, and the only research I have done is use berberine for myself. To date it has cleared up every infection or virus I have gotten, and I have had some serious ones.
Well, shit. Going by your "research" standard, I have found the miracle cure for every illness that I've ever had in my life. This miracle cure is known by its chemical form as dihydrogen oxide. I have a copious amount of it everyday and all doctors I know even recommend taking it with other medicines that they prescribe.
 

dullard

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Doctors doing research https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ch-as-their-major-professional_fig2_259115016
I believe I made it pretty clear that I'm not a doctor, and the only research I have done is use berberine for myself. To date it has cleared up every infection or virus I have gotten, and I have had some serious ones.
You keep saying that few doctors do their own research. No one disputes that. Doctors generally take research that other people have done and use it to make their patients better. With that said, how does doctors doing their own research or not have any bearing on berberine at all?

Doing research on just one person (yourself) is the best sign that you should be ignored. The rule-of-thumb is that no medical data should be believed until it can be proved on at least 300 people. That is because no two people are the same. What "worked" for you might not work for anyone else ever. And it might not have actually worked on you, since it could have just been a placebo effect.

Lets look at the conclusion: "However, direct evidence of berberine antagonist to ACE2, TMPRSS2 protein, and binding activities with these receptors and other targets have not been elucidated in this study". The paper you linked was a model that someone showed that might have some effect, but it hasn't been shown yet in actual experiments.

Your linked paper does reference another paper though that did try berberine in vitro along with other combinations: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361110/ Its conclusion? "the remdesivir/diltiazem combination seems particularly interesting for the treatment of COVID-19, with a synergistic antiviral affect against SARS-CoV-2" In other words, diltiazem worked better than berberine.
 
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If your thing is gone
And you want to ride on, vaccine
Don't forget this fact,
You can't get it back, vaccine
She don't lie,
She don't lie,
She don't lie, vaccine
 

Bitek

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"Previous studies suggest that berberine, an isoquinoline alkaloid, has shown various biological activities that may help against COVID-19 and SARS, including antiviral, anti-allergy and inflammation, hepatoprotection against drug- and infection-induced liver injury, as well as reducing oxidative stress."
Getting someone to further study berberine is the problem. Pharmaceutical companies have zero interest in studying herbal formulas because they can't make money off of them.

Pharma's won't study random ass products as they are a business and it's not their product.

Why not complain about McDonald's not studying it? They have money. That's what it takes.

Ask McDonald's, or Facebook, or Amazon, or Fox News to sponsor a grant so that a research lab can work on it.

Start a go fund me and you fund the grant.

All this is possible with the miracle of Capitalism.
 

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I don’t ever expect a “cure” for Covid. We’ve been trying to create anti-viral drug treatments for various diseases for decades and it’s really difficult. The best we have for the flu are drugs like Tamiflu which merely reduce the severity and duration.

We mostly don’t have antivirals that work with the same efficacy as antibiotics on bacteria which is what it seems he would prefer.
A lot of it comes down to funding from what I've read. No one really wanted to waste time and funding into MRNA until Covid happened and then governments and private organizations began to dump money into anything that offered some insight into a cure. From a laymen's perspective, it's both understandable and also infuriating as to why.
 
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eelw

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The only reason these nutjobs think Ivermectin works is because there was a small study done where it did kill viruses in a petri dish [sic]. A lot of compounds will kill bacteria and viruses in a petri dish. A lot of them aren't made for human use.
Nah they just love pooping in their panties
 
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Dave_5k

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Pierce, prominent Trumpie and defender of the insurrectionists, and also a public anti-Vaxxer, may be non responsive with COVID. No idea where he might have caught it…
 
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Wasn't the Rittenhouse lawyer also on life support and they said he was dehydrated?
 
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The only reason these nutjobs think Ivermectin works is because there was a small study done where it did kill viruses in a petri dish [sic]. A lot of compounds will kill bacteria and viruses in a petri dish. A lot of them aren't made for human use.

And at 100x the dose allowed in humans at that. And there's known side effects in human use, which is why the idiots then have to call poison control.

Wasn't the Rittenhouse lawyer also on life support and they said he was dehydrated?

Oh I don't doubt he was dehydrated, among many other issues.

Nah they just love pooping in their panties

I'm guessing they've been wearing diapers this whole time so its probably no big deal to them.
 

Stokely

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Please shut down the space program before humanity is able to spread anywhere.

We went from flat earthers to young earthers and who would have thought those would positively make sense compared to what we have now. Our only hope is to get into a fully-vr lifestyle where our conspiracy-addled brains can play all day, with actual "life" being run by AI, because humans are too delusional to actually function.
 

VRAMdemon

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Cawthorn says wearing masks is "anti-science" because if you eat at a Mexican restaurant you can smell the food through the mask which proves that particles pass through them so they don't work.


Also notable ...He also said January 6 rioters are “political hostages,” and spoke of trying to “bust them out.” An Attendee: “When are you gonna call us to Washington again?" Cawthorn: “We are actively working on that one. We have a few plans in motion that we can't make public right now." ... But that's for another thread
 

pmv

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^Makes sense, Clapton sucks and his music is boring as shit and Queen is fantastic.

Can't stand Clapton. But also have never liked Queen...but it is quite hard to really take against Brian May - physics PhD, then sticks up for the badgers, and seems he's sane when it comes to vaccines too. Maybe I'll even forgive him that hair style.
 
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