Cowboys vs. Saints

[Kev]

I think if you don't make a prediction before the game, you shouldn't get to come into the thread after the game and try to dish out crow

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: Deeko
Two high-powered offenses, but Dallas has a FAR superior defense, and its being played in Dallas.

Should be a solid victory for TR

You sure had the outcome of this game pegged from the beginning :laugh:.

Man knows his football.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
What are you talking about ?
Strahan is injured, not benched.
It's not odd in any way.
I'm lost here...

Dont worry about it, just let him own himself

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Just wanted to say I'm SICK of hearing about how Romo is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I hope he has a terrible game and gets exposed.

Done, and done.

Originally posted by: monk3y
Saints are on an amazing run. Hope Drew Brees can keep it up.

This was posted before the game!

Yes, Brees is on a roll. He was great and made Romo look like a total rookie by comparison. Since the Saints annihilated the Cowboys (and in Dallas!) I guess you have to wonder if they aren't the best of the NFC right now. If they meet Chicago, what will happen?

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Oh give me a break.. he had ONE good game against a horrible defense, and TD's scattered here and there. LT is a thoroughbred, maybe you seen him break the TD record earlier today. Bush is still a kid and has to do A LOT more consistently to impress me.

IIf you aren't impressed with Bush, you are in denial. LT is phenomenal, agreed. IMO, they're bringing Reggie along slowly intentionally. Those passes out into the flat are perfect for him. If he stays healthy, he'll come into his own. He's not all that small (206 lb.). Did you see the stuff he was doing at USC? He's amazing.

Originally posted by: fuzzymitx
Why is it Glenn always looks better than TO to me... less drops, more grunt work... more useful.

Glenn was seriously amazing. Flypaper hands, very athletic catches and routes. He was the only Cowboy who really stood out for me.

 

[Darwin333]

First post here and what a great thread for it to be in.

I am a born and raised N?awlins boy. I?ve been a Saints fan my entire life, through the ?aint?s? days, through the paper bag days, through our 3-13 season last year when it looked like New Orleans was going to loose the Saints. What I saw last night and throughout this season is something I have never seen from the Saints. We have had plenty of weapons in past years but something was always missing.

Ladies and gentlemen you are finally seeing the Saints play as a TEAM and oh how sweet it is. Very few people (at least on the national level) took the Saints seriously prior to last night. One of the announcers even stated at one point ?Maybe the Saints are for real?. Before the season how many people predicted the Saints would be a 9-4 ball club coming off a 3-13 season? Who would have thought the Saints would all but clinch the division with 4 games left to play? How many would have thought that you would read this on Espn.com about the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ?Now they're the No. 2 seed in the conference, with a two-game lead in the NFC South with three to play and an 8-1 conference record.? Heck, how many of YOU would have thought the Saints would hand Dallas a 42-17 trouncing last night?

Why the turnaround? Brees? Reggie? No. It is 100% coach Payton. Don?t get me wrong, we picked up some outstanding players this year but it was Payton that finally turned this club into a TEAM. Not only that but the man is a genius at play calling. Last night was the first time the student went up against the teacher (Payton and Parcells) and the student handily outcoached the teacher. Not to say that we haven?t had some growing pains this year but I think the media and the rest of the NFL finally knows that YES the Saints are for real.

What a great day to be a Saints fan. Heck, what a great YEAR to be a Saints fan!

 

[NoRAM4U]

Go Eagles!!

Oh wait...wrong thread...

:0

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
First post here and what a great thread for it to be in.

I am a born and raised N?awlins boy. I?ve been a Saints fan my entire life, through the ?aint?s? days, through the paper bag days, through our 3-13 season last year when it looked like New Orleans was going to loose the Saints. What I saw last night and throughout this season is something I have never seen from the Saints. We have had plenty of weapons in past years but something was always missing.

Ladies and gentlemen you are finally seeing the Saints play as a TEAM and oh how sweet it is. Very few people (at least on the national level) took the Saints seriously prior to last night. One of the announcers even stated at one point ?Maybe the Saints are for real?. Before the season how many people predicted the Saints would be a 9-4 ball club coming off a 3-13 season? Who would have thought the Saints would all but clinch the division with 4 games left to play? How many would have thought that you would read this on Espn.com about the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS ?Now they're the No. 2 seed in the conference, with a two-game lead in the NFC South with three to play and an 8-1 conference record.? Heck, how many of YOU would have thought the Saints would hand Dallas a 42-17 trouncing last night?

Why the turnaround? Brees? Reggie? No. It is 100% coach Payton. Don?t get me wrong, we picked up some outstanding players this year but it was Payton that finally turned this club into a TEAM. Not only that but the man is a genius at play calling. Last night was the first time the student went up against the teacher (Payton and Parcells) and the student handily outcoached the teacher. Not to say that we haven?t had some growing pains this year but I think the media and the rest of the NFL finally knows that YES the Saints are for real.

What a great day to be a Saints fan. Heck, what a great YEAR to be a Saints fan!

ROFLMAO! Being a Cowboys fan, to say the turnaround is 100% Payton is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You guys wouldn't be anything without Brees and Reggie. Reggie is amazing no doubt, but Brees provides the leadership to this team. Was never a big fan of him in SD, but he's doing very well in SD. I'm not saying Payton has nothing to do with it, but Payton sure as hell isn't 100% why they're turned around. Give me a fvcking break.

 

[Muse]

Darwin,

Congratulations! Seriously, you are to be commended for not being a fair weather fan, having stuck with the Saints through thick (and as you know, it was never very thick) and thin (very thin indeed).

Peyton's a huge part of NO's success now, I agree. Last night his play calling was inspired, imaginative. He thought a lot before the game and came up with a lot of ideas, it's clear. The 4th and one play was known to the players earlier in the week. I think that onsides kick was planned in advance, and Peyton threw it in for the hell of it. He had Brees kneel down at the 2 minute warning because he had begun to feel embarassed to be beating the Cowboys so badly. The game was really over after 3 quarters.

Don't give Peyton all the credit. They are very much a team and Brees is a huge part of that success. They got the right guy there. I was very impressed with him last year in SD. He'd still be there if he hadn't torn his labrum. I had surgery for a torn labrum, and I know that rehab from that is tough. He's a hero to me and his playing is a joy to behold. He doesn't remind me of anybody - his play takes my breath away. Reggie Bush is IMO about as exciting a player as there is in the NFL and will be for a while if he stays healthy. Go Saints!

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Oh give me a break.. he had ONE good game against a horrible defense, and TD's scattered here and there. LT is a thoroughbred, maybe you seen him break the TD record earlier today. Bush is still a kid and has to do A LOT more consistently to impress me.

IIf you aren't impressed with Bush, you are in denial. LT is phenomenal, agreed. IMO, they're bringing Reggie along slowly intentionally. Those passes out into the flat are perfect for him. If he stays healthy, he'll come into his own. He's not all that small (206 lb.). Did you see the stuff he was doing at USC? He's amazing.

Granted I don't live in the New Orleans area and don't get to see ALL of Bush's plays, but from what I've seen he simply gets gobbled up when they try to run the ball with him, how am I supposed to be impressed with performances like 11 rushes for 22 yards against Carolina, or 9 rushes for 23 yards against Tampa Bay, or 6 rushes for 5 yards against Green Bay? Oh there are plenty more underwhelming totals I could post, but I think I made my point that they need to throw the ball to him in the flat 90% of the time just to get production out of him.

Denial my ass, if by denial you mean denying the hype and looking for a player to do good consistently against at least mediocre defenses, then yeah I guess I'm in denial. What he did in college means nothing to me, it's time for him to prove he can outrun faster defenses and actually RUN the ball well for once. I don't think they're trying to bring him in slowly either, at least not now. He's splitting time with Deuce McAllister and he's running the ball a hell of a lot more better then Bush is. He needs to learn how to pass block too without getting penalties for going low.

What he did at USC was great don't get me wrong, but this isn't college and not every defense is going to be Fresno State for him to have his way with. I have concerns about his health too, just look at what the Eagles have done with Westbrook and how he's constantly having injury problems, because that's what the Saints are trying to do with Bush and they weight the same according to NFL.com

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH


ROFLMAO! Being a Cowboys fan, to say the turnaround is 100% Payton is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You guys wouldn't be anything without Brees and Reggie. Reggie is amazing no doubt, but Brees provides the leadership to this team. Was never a big fan of him in SD, but he's doing very well in SD. I'm not saying Payton has nothing to do with it, but Payton sure as hell isn't 100% why they're turned around. Give me a fvcking break.

Well, just about everyone who was watched the Saints for more then a few seasons disagrees with you. We have had good QB?s in the past and never have we looked so well. Never have they plaid as an entire team as they are now. Not to downplay Drew Brees?s performance but that doesn?t change the fact that your wrong. Sean Payton is responsible for the team you see today. He is the one who had the foresight to pick Brees up even though he was coming off a shoulder surgery. He is the one who brought the team together. He is the reason why you are seeing virtual ?no-bodies? stepping up and having great games and he is the one that masterfully play called that game last night that made the Cowboys look like a second rate team.

 

[Muse]

Brokenvisage,

The Saints had McCallaster before Bush, and he's a big tough running back. Bush is the new guy. Part of the dynamic is that Bush didn't want to be perceived as pushing Duece aside. I don't think there's a running back in the league who can run into the line of scrimmage successfully without big help from his O line. I think that Bush's lack of success there is because the Saints' O line isn't producing the holes that Reggie needs, and I think that may change over time. I wouldn't blame Reggie for that. He's best as an open field runner, but if the holes open up wide enough, even the center of the line is fodder for a great open field runner. Time will tell with Reggie.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH


ROFLMAO! Being a Cowboys fan, to say the turnaround is 100% Payton is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You guys wouldn't be anything without Brees and Reggie. Reggie is amazing no doubt, but Brees provides the leadership to this team. Was never a big fan of him in SD, but he's doing very well in SD. I'm not saying Payton has nothing to do with it, but Payton sure as hell isn't 100% why they're turned around. Give me a fvcking break.

Well, just about everyone who was watched the Saints for more then a few seasons disagrees with you. We have had good QB?s in the past and never have we looked so well. Never have they plaid as an entire team as they are now. Not to downplay Drew Brees?s performance but that doesn?t change the fact that your wrong. Sean Payton is responsible for the team you see today. He is the one who had the foresight to pick Brees up even though he was coming off a shoulder surgery. He is the one who brought the team together. He is the reason why you are seeing virtual ?no-bodies? stepping up and having great games and he is the one that masterfully play called that game last night that made the Cowboys look like a second rate team.

So without Bush and Brees, the Saints wouldn't still be a bottom dwelling, ass sucking team like they have been? Doubtful.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Muse
Darwin,

Congratulations! Seriously, you are to be commended for not being a fair weather fan, having stuck with the Saints through thick (and as you know, it was never very thick) and thin (very thin indeed).

Peyton's a huge part of NO's success now, I agree. Last night his play calling was inspired, imaginative. He thought a lot before the game and came up with a lot of ideas, it's clear. The 4th and one play was known to the players earlier in the week. I think that onsides kick was planned in advance, and Peyton threw it in for the hell of it. He had Brees kneel down at the 2 minute warning because he had begun to feel embarassed to be beating the Cowboys so badly. The game was really over after 3 quarters.

Don't give Peyton all the credit. They are very much a team and Brees is a huge part of that success. They got the right guy there. I was very impressed with him last year in SD. He'd still be there if he hadn't torn his labrum. I had surgery for a torn labrum, and I know that rehab from that is tough. He's a hero to me and his playing is a joy to behold. He doesn't remind me of anybody - his play takes my breath away. Reggie Bush is IMO about as exciting a player as there is in the NFL and will be for a while if he stays healthy. Go Saints!

Thanks bud.

Don?t get me wrong. I am not trying to downplay Drew?s performance. I am just as amazed with him as everyone else. We finally got a great QB that is a leader in the huddle and runs a great offence. That and he is one ?cool? customer. Makes great decisions in the pocket, doesn?t make dumb mistakes, doesn?t smile when he screws up (if you?re a Saints fan you know what I am talking about), and quite simply he gets the job done. Not to mention Bush who has some simply amazing abilities.

I am simply trying to point out what a lot of people not familiar with the Saints passed have overlooked. Brees is a huge piece of the puzzle but Payton is the one who put it all together.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH


ROFLMAO! Being a Cowboys fan, to say the turnaround is 100% Payton is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You guys wouldn't be anything without Brees and Reggie. Reggie is amazing no doubt, but Brees provides the leadership to this team. Was never a big fan of him in SD, but he's doing very well in SD. I'm not saying Payton has nothing to do with it, but Payton sure as hell isn't 100% why they're turned around. Give me a fvcking break.

Well, just about everyone who was watched the Saints for more then a few seasons disagrees with you. We have had good QB?s in the past and never have we looked so well. Never have they plaid as an entire team as they are now. Not to downplay Drew Brees?s performance but that doesn?t change the fact that your wrong. Sean Payton is responsible for the team you see today. He is the one who had the foresight to pick Brees up even though he was coming off a shoulder surgery. He is the one who brought the team together. He is the reason why you are seeing virtual ?no-bodies? stepping up and having great games and he is the one that masterfully play called that game last night that made the Cowboys look like a second rate team.

So without Bush and Brees, the Saints wouldn't still be a bottom dwelling, ass sucking team like they have been? Doubtful.

Would we be where we are without Bush? Probably
Without Brees? Maybe
Without Payton? Not a chance.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Muse
Brokenvisage,

The Saints had McCallaster before Bush, and he's a big tough running back. Bush is the new guy. Part of the dynamic is that Bush didn't want to be perceived as pushing Duece aside. I don't think there's a running back in the league who can run into the line of scrimmage successfully without big help from his O line. I think that Bush's lack of success there is because the Saints' O line isn't producing the holes that Reggie needs, and I think that may change over time. I wouldn't blame Reggie for that. He's best as an open field runner, but if the holes open up wide enough, even the center of the line is fodder for a great open field runner. Time will tell with Reggie.

Exactly, time WILL tell, that's why I have to turn the TV off whenever I hear these analyst tout him as being the second coming of Barry Sanders or something, do they conveniently forget that he hasn't had a 100 yard rushing game all season, and only 3 games above 50? Or that even with 100+ carries he still has barely over 400 yards? If he was Sanders, he would be making those guys miss in the backfield enough to not need an O-line to open up as many holes.

Yeah I get it, they want to use him as a receiver more to get him in the open field so he doesn't need to burst through holes, but that still doesn't excuse his shallow rushing numbers if he's suppose to be this inhuman, once-in-a-generation player who can outrun just about anybody, if that were true he should've been able to at least ONCE get to the corner while running off tackle and take off on a 70 yard TD run or something.

All I'm saying is the man still has a lot to prove to me, yeah we're talking about him now that he's doing exceptional after 10+ weeks, but like you said only time will tell if he can keep up with the expectations and stay healthy, as you can tell I'm not ready to put in him the upper upper echelon of RB's yet.

 

[shimsham]

saints fans know itll take 8 straight SB wins for this team to gain any respect from the media and other fans. weve had some good teams, but mostly we have sucked. thats ok.

payton has come in and put this team on the right track. if we didnt have bush and brees, i still think we would be headed for the playoffs. paytons been great at choosing players and they like to play for him. we may not have done it offensively the way we have, but payton would make the right calls for the other players on this team: horn, colston, mcallister, henderson, karney, etc. defensively we overhauled our linbackers and picked up a 1st round safety in harper (who was playing very well before placed on IR). payton brought gibbs with him from dallas to be our DC. we give up some big plays, but teams have avoided mckenzie and picked on aging thomas who still has played ok and stepped up last night. long drives and high points have helped us for sure, but overall the d is playing well enough to allow us to win.

weve had plenty of seasons where we were loaded with talent, had great Ds and still didnt do diddly poo. haslett was coach of the year for christs sake. while payton is doing great, im holding off until after next season to elevate him in status. but damn, i love what i see and feel we can be competetive for a good run in years to come. the chance of going deep, and even to the SB this season, are looking great in a weak NFC.

yes, im drinking the kool aid.

WHO DAT!

 

[da loser]

congratulations to the saints. gotta wonder what would've been possible had they had all their DEs plus darren howard.

I still think part of their success was due to the familiarity with the cowboys with payton and gibbs knowing romo very well as well as all the players.

it's amazing though how brees is able to throw that dumpoff to bush with someone in his face, that's a tough throw that a lot of qbs miss.