Cowboys vs. Seahawks

[Deeko]

Hasselback certainly has more experience, but it depends on which Romo shows up - first 6 weeks or last 4 weeks, and that really depends on how the line plays more than Romo himself.

Its going to be interesting, it really could go either way. The Accuscore has Dallas winning slightly more times, but Seattle having a higher average score. Now that's close...

 

[GuitarDaddy]

This one will come down to who plays the best defense. If the weather is bad it may come down to who can stop the run.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Deeko
TO isn't going anywhere.

I seriously believe it's either gonna' be the Tuna or T.O. in the off-season. I was thinking that the Tuna really does want to come back and finish the job there in Dallas, having a more seasoned Romo at the controls from the start of training camp plus what looked for all the world like a solid, mobile, rising young defense at the start of this season.

But, come to think of it, you may be right. Jones may well choose T.O. -- he's that much of an egotist and an ass. If so, he deserves what he gets. If the Tuna does walk, I truly hope he opens up and "shares" his recent feelings with the rest of us!

Getting back to the Dallas D (which I agree will be a key to the outcome of this game), it's been a funny year in the league on many levels. The Dallas D was solid and improving all last year. Why they've regressed this year is kind of hard to pinpoint, exactly.

The Eagles D has had a funny year as well. They started out like gangbusters -- the raping, pillaging, QB blitzing unit that is a Jim Johnson trade-mark. And it looked like the D line, coming at you in full substitution waves, was 8-9 deep and a strength.

Then came the middle of the year, when everyone and his mama ran right over the Eagles like they weren't even on the field. Few sacks, and *gasp* a myriad of missed tackles made this Eagles fan want to weep! As one Philly commentator put it, "You know, Eagles fans have put up with a lot of bad teams over the years, but NEVER, even at the worst of times, have they had a defense you could call SOFT." And these guys looked SOFT! :Q

Then, somehow, with Garcia and Morningweig (sic) running the O, the Eagles started winning time of posession in games, and the same D unit that looked pitiful earlier on was now taking care of business.

Like I said, a 'funny' season all around.

I'll tell you, the Giants game tomorrow? I fear the possibilities. Tiki is gonna' want to go out in style, and many of the Giants are going to feel they have nothing to lose. I mean, there's another team (injuries and Eli aside) that has been something of an enigma during the year. I picked them to win the East (Eagles second).

And . . . it's simply hard in the NFL to beat the same team two games in a row. It just is. With that kind of familiarity, your opponent knows all your tendencies.

OH, almost forgot. GO SEAHAWKS!!

 

[SVT Cobra]

It will not be TO or Parcells. Parcells and Jones have already dispelled that rumor of the ultimatum in SI interviews.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: Deeko
Hasselback certainly has more experience, but it depends on which Romo shows up - first 6 weeks or last 4 weeks, and that really depends on how the line plays more than Romo himself.

Its going to be interesting, it really could go either way. The Accuscore has Dallas winning slightly more times, but Seattle having a higher average score. Now that's close...

It not a matter of which Romo will show up, during his first six weeks nobody had seen him before. Teams have him figured out because they don't put out many complicated sets. He's inexperienced and that leads to mistakes. He got a lucky draw in that 2 of the Hawks CB's got hurt in the last 2 weeks. Seattle will stuff the run forcing Romo to throw more in which case the Hawks can run more cover 3's and get more safetys involved.

Now if you go to the flip side, Alexander and Hasselbeck are just now starting to get into rhythm. Alexander will have a good game and Seattle will use a balenced attack to spread the field and open up deep shots against the Dallas secondary.

It will be a close game and most likely the team who win the filed position battle will win. Oh, BTW, Holmgren is a master of the field position.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: Deeko

ps - I love how much people hate T.O., but then have no problems with the many guys in the NFL that get arrested twice a week.

Pretty sorry when your defense of a guy revolves around not being arrested. Reminds me of a Chris Rock sketch "your not supposed to get arrested...what do you want a cookie."

 

[Deeko]

"Just starting to get into rhythm"

The won ONE game in December, and it was against the hapless Tampa Bay Bucaneers. They have certainly NOT gotten into any kind of a rhythm, in fact, the team was doing BETTER when they were hurt.

I will say it again - Romo's latest problems are not because he's been "figured out" or anything ridiculous like that, otherwise why did Vince Young get BETTER as the season went on? The offense has struggled lately because the offensive line has fallen apart. See Peyton Manning against Pittsburgh last year in the playoffs - it doesn't matter who you are or how well you play, if you've got no time to throw the ball, you don't score. You can say I'm wrong - but the fact that the once-potent Dallas running game has ALSO faltered hard, both of these point to a slacking offensive line.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: Deeko
First off, having worked 25 miles up 95 for awhile...god do I hate that road.

Yes, I won't deny that TO is completely nuts, that he's a complete asshole, completely selfish, all of that. However, its a matter of taking him in stride. I think Dallas has succesfully done what his previous teams hadn't - they ignore him. As players, they don't heed what he says in his press conferences, and thus we don't get the "divided locker room" issue.

Also, on the same note, Parcells might hate him, but as long as he's producing on the field, he will tolerate him, and really with Parcells' hatred of the media in general, as well as his experience, he's well equipped to handle him. At least, as well equipped as you can be.

Everyone keeps saying TO is going to be gone next year. You've gotta be kidding me on that one. Don't forget who the owner, president, and general manager is. Jerry Jones LOVES T.O. and LOVES the attention he brings to the franchise. If you were watching the Detroit game, who was it that came over to congratulate TO on the bench after his touchdown? Yep, Jerry Jones. TO isn't going anywhere.

You laid out a good point about Jerry Jones, but you are wrong about why Parcells tolerates him. Parcells tolerates him because of Jerry Jones, no other reason. You have to do more than produce on the field to play for a coach like Parcells. Its got to tear him up inside to have to put up with his crap.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: Deeko

ps - I love how much people hate T.O., but then have no problems with the many guys in the NFL that get arrested twice a week.

Pretty sorry when your defense of a guy revolves around not being arrested. Reminds me of a Chris Rock sketch "your not supposed to get arrested...what do you want a cookie."

What? Is there a brain in that skull of yours? I'm saying T.O. is a tireless worker on and off the field and doesn't get in trouble, yet people hate him more than the other players in the NFL that are slackers, get in trouble with the law, but "say the right things" to the media. Have you ever actually watched a T.O. news conference? Like, the whole thing, including the questions he is asked? He is an honest person, and the media asks him leading questions that can be completely taken out of context.

Hey, like I said, the guy is an asshole, but the fact that some of you hate him more than anyone else in the NFL is absurd.

 

[Deeko]

You laid out a good point about Jerry Jones, but you are wrong about why Parcells tolerates him. Parcells tolerates him because of Jerry Jones, no other reason. You have to do more than produce on the field to play for a coach like Parcells. Its got to tear him up inside to have to put up with his crap.

you're right, Parcells has NEVER tolerated players with bad attitudes in the past :roll: :roll: You don't actually watch football, do you? You sound like you just watch Sportscenter.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: Deeko
"Just starting to get into rhythm"

The won ONE game in December, and it was against the hapless Tampa Bay Bucaneers. They have certainly NOT gotten into any kind of a rhythm, in fact, the team was doing BETTER when they were hurt.

I will say it again - Romo's latest problems are not because he's been "figured out" or anything ridiculous like that, otherwise why did Vince Young get BETTER as the season went on? The offense has struggled lately because the offensive line has fallen apart. See Peyton Manning against Pittsburgh last year in the playoffs - it doesn't matter who you are or how well you play, if you've got no time to throw the ball, you don't score. You can say I'm wrong - but the fact that the once-potent Dallas running game has ALSO faltered hard, both of these point to a slacking offensive line.

Vince Young got better as the season went on because he is a better QB.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: Deeko

ps - I love how much people hate T.O., but then have no problems with the many guys in the NFL that get arrested twice a week.

Pretty sorry when your defense of a guy revolves around not being arrested. Reminds me of a Chris Rock sketch "your not supposed to get arrested...what do you want a cookie."

What? Is there a brain in that skull of yours? I'm saying T.O. is a tireless worker on and off the field and doesn't get in trouble, yet people hate him more than the other players in the NFL that are slackers, get in trouble with the law, but "say the right things" to the media. Have you ever actually watched a T.O. news conference? Like, the whole thing, including the questions he is asked? He is an honest person, and the media asks him leading questions that can be completely taken out of context.

Hey, like I said, the guy is an asshole, but the fact that some of you hate him more than anyone else in the NFL is absurd.

Damn it must hurt to have to defend that guy.

 

[Deeko]

Vince Young got better as the season went on because he is a better QB.

huh? You missed the point. A young QB typically does not start strong and then get worse "once coaches get some film on them". It doesn't work that way. I will repeat, and if you disagree, well, you're wrong: Dallas, and Tony Romo's offensive struggles of late are a direct result of poor offensive line play.

Damn it must hurt to have to defend that guy.

Not really, because I then get to watch him lead the league in touchdowns.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Vince Young got better as the season went on because he is a better QB.

huh? You missed the point. A young QB typically does not start strong and then get worse "once coaches get some film on them". It doesn't work that way. I will repeat, and if you disagree, well, you're wrong: Dallas, and Tony Romo's offensive struggles of late are a direct result of poor offensive line play.

No your right O-line is everything, I was just trying to set you off a little But I still feel he's been figured out a little but we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Whats the word in Dallas about Parcells future? What I'm hearing in other parts of the country that barring a deep playoff run this is his last year. Is the Jones Parcells relationship as Tumultuous as it seems?

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Vince Young got better as the season went on because he is a better QB.

huh? You missed the point. A young QB typically does not start strong and then get worse "once coaches get some film on them". It doesn't work that way. I will repeat, and if you disagree, well, you're wrong: Dallas, and Tony Romo's offensive struggles of late are a direct result of poor offensive line play.

Damn it must hurt to have to defend that guy.

Not really, because I then get to watch him lead the league in touchdowns.

Too bad leading the league in receiving touchdowns by 1 doesn't guarantee you a super bowl ring .

 

[Deeko]

Whats the word in Dallas about Parcells future? What I'm hearing in other parts of the country that barring a deep playoff run this is his last year. Is the Jones Parcells relationship as Tumultuous as it seems?

Well, there's plenty of reports out there but its all speculation. My personal opinion is that Parcells will retire if A) Dallas doesn't show up today and goes one and done or B) they win the Superbowl. He will stay if they make a strong showing in the playoffs but don't go all the way.

My opinion anyway. He'd be satisfied to end his career on a Superbowl win, and too disgusted by his team falling apart at the end to stay if they blow it today.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Deeko
A young QB typically does not start strong and then get worse "once coaches get some film on them". It doesn't work that way.

cough * AJ Feeley * cough.

And to think that this isn't a league of adjustments and reacting to tendencies is just naive!

Then, there is the all important confidence factor. Sometimes a rook QB does well because he hasn't yet had his confidence, or his tibia, shattered. If you don't think Romo isn't that same super-confident achiever of his first few games, well, you ain't THINKING!

Not really, because I then get to watch him [T.O.] lead the league in touchdowns.

Dude, it you don't think Owens is a train wreck waiting to happen, YOU haven't been watching much football the last few years.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Vince Young got better as the season went on because he is a better QB.

huh? You missed the point. A young QB typically does not start strong and then get worse "once coaches get some film on them". It doesn't work that way. I will repeat, and if you disagree, well, you're wrong: Dallas, and Tony Romo's offensive struggles of late are a direct result of poor offensive line play.

Four words for you: Matt Leinart, Rex Grossman.

 

[Deeko]

Rex Grossman? He's in his 4th year, no he hasn't played a full season before now, but he's been the "starter" for that team for quite some time now. Leinart? He had a few good games this year, spread throughout the season, not all at the beginning.

and perknose - no, Romo is not playing at the same level he was in those first few games, but he hasn't "fallen apart" or been "figured out" or anything like that. Anyone will "fall apart" when they have as little time to throw as he does. Don't even try to compare it to AJ Feeley - no one, outside of a few morons on 610, ever thought he was a quality starting QB. He did well as a backup on a strong team that didn't require him to do much. Every year you hear that a team "figures out" how to beat Peyton Manning, because he has a bad game. If thats true, why wouldn't teams employ that same strategy and consistantly beat him?

As for Owens - he is always going to mouth off, its a matter of not having a coach/qb/team that plays into his hands.

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: chrisms
Hasselbeck throws for 800 yards today.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: jakedeez

Originally posted by: chrisms
Hasselbeck throws for 800 yards today.

LOL I don't know if you guys realize this, but usually when a QB throws for an ungodly amount of yards, they lose the game. There's a reason they're throwing that much lol.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: jakedeez

Originally posted by: chrisms
Hasselbeck throws for 800 yards today.

LOL I don't know if you guys realize this, but usually when a QB throws for an ungodly amount of yards, they lose the game. There's a reason they're throwing that much lol.

I don't know about usually..the top passers in the league by yardage usually play for the best teams.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Deeko
and perknose - no, Romo is not playing at the same level he was in those first few games, but he hasn't "fallen apart" or been "figured out" or anything like that.

[...]

Every year you hear that a team "figures out" how to beat Peyton Manning, because he has a bad game. If thats true, why wouldn't teams employ that same strategy and consistantly beat him?

As for Owens - he is always going to mouth off, its a matter of not having a coach/qb/team that plays into his hands.

Careful there, someone might think you're comparing Tony Romo to Peyton Manning.

As for Owens, it's not just "mouthing off". He's a head case extraordinaire and, as such, a cancer on any team he plays for. Short term gain, long term major dysfunction, bad, bad choice in the end.

 

[Deeko]

I'm certainly not comparing Romo to Peyton, I think Peyton has the potential to be the best QB of all time, only the fact that people always say that about Manning, and is one of the reasons I don't buy it when I hear it.

We'll see about the "cancer". I've never denied that he's a childish asshole, I'm just saying that so far, with Dallas, he has not been a cancer, he has not torn the locker room apart. Next year will be telling because he behaved his first year with the Eagles, but even with the way he behaved last year, no one said McNabb and Reid had to respond to his comments about McNabb getting tired, or about Favre being better(which lets be serious, he is). It was getting into a media battle with him that tore them apart, and thats one thing you'll NEVER have with Parcells, because he doesn't answer questions he doesn't like.

 

[Deeko]

30 minutes woooo