CP now legal in NY?

FelixDeCat

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Change you can believe in.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sidesho...not-crime-according-york-court-165025919.html

In a controversial decision that is already sparking debate around the country, the New York Court of Appeals ruled Tuesday that viewing child pornography online is not a crime.

"The purposeful viewing of child pornography on the internet is now legal in New York," Senior Judge Carmen Beauchamp Ciparick wrote in a majority decision for the court.


The decision came after Marist College professor James D. Kent was sentenced to prison in August 2009 after more than 100 images of child pornography were found on his computer's cache.


Whenever someone views an image online, a copy of the image's data is saved in the computer's memory cache.


The ruling attempts to distinguish between individuals who see an image of child pornography online versus those who actively download and store such images, MSNBC reports. And in this case, it was ruled that a computer's image cache is not the same as actively choosing to download and save an image.


"Merely viewing Web images of child pornography does not, absent other proof, constitute either possession or procurement within the meaning of our Penal Law," Ciparick wrote in the decision.


A copy of the court's full ruling on the child pornography decision can be viewed online.


The court said it must be up to the legislature, not the courts, to determine what the appropriate response should be to those viewing images of child pornography without actually storing them. Currently, New York's legislature has no laws deeming such action criminal.
As The Atlantic Wire notes, under current New York law, "it is illegal to create, possess, distribute, promote or facilitate child pornography." But that leaves out one critical distinction, as Judge Ciparick stated in the court's decision.



"ome affirmative act is required (printing, saving, downloading, etc.) to show that defendant in fact exercised dominion and control over the images that were on his screen," Ciparick wrote. "To hold otherwise, would extend the reach of (state law) to conduct — viewing — that our Legislature has not deemed criminal."


The case originated when Kent brought his computer in to be checked for viruses, complaining that it was running slowly. He has subsequently denied downloading the images himself.




 
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shortylickens

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I'm more worried about the 16 year old sexting her boyfriend going to federal prison and registering as a sex offender.
THATS the problem which needs addressing.
 

FelixDeCat

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I'm more worried about the 16 year old sexting her boyfriend going to federal prison and registering as a sex offender.
THATS the problem which needs addressing.

I think the SO laws have gone to an extreme. They are restricted so severely in some places they cant work, live anywhere or do much of anything. And some of the people on those lists were put there for such things as urinating in public because they exposed themselves and an officer saw them urinating!

Yes, that makes for a strong deterent, but these people are out there and they have to reintegrate somehow.
 

ElFenix

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so now you can safely view 4chan in new york?
 

OutHouse

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Without this decision, an inadvertent click would be a crime worthy of prison time
 

ichy

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Misleading thread title. No one is seriously talking about legalizing child porn, the question is simply what the threshold is for it becoming a prosecutable offense. The people who pay for it, or even worse produce it, are still going to get looooong, unpleasant prison sentences if they're caught.
 

xBiffx

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Without this decision, an inadvertent click would be a crime worthy of prison time

With this decision an intentional click could be easily disregarded as inadvertent if one gets caught, whereas before it didn't matter how it was clicked. You shouldn't even be putting yourself in the situation to "inadvertently" click something suspect anyways.
 

FelixDeCat

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so now you can safely view 4chan in new york?

You always could, but with images disabled.

I stopped going there December 2007 anyway because it was pretty much the same posts every day.
 
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shortylickens

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With this decision an intentional click could be easily disregarded as inadvertent if one gets caught, whereas before it didn't matter how it was clicked. You shouldn't even be putting yourself in the situation to "inadvertently" click something suspect anyways.

Yeah what if you save it to your thumb drive and hid the thing any time cops come knocking on your door?
 

waggy

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Misleading thread title. No one is seriously talking about legalizing child porn, the question is simply what the threshold is for it becoming a prosecutable offense. The people who pay for it, or even worse produce it, are still going to get looooong, unpleasant prison sentences if they're caught.

exactly. very misleading thread title.

main thing this does is if someone post "hotchick.pic" in teh "hot babe" thread and its a 6yr old naked. The person who clicked the link won't be charged (adn shouldn't).

people who download tons of it, produce it, sale it etc are still going to get nailed.

..though..100 times?
 

lxskllr

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..though..100 times?

The number's irrelevant. Where do you set the cutoff point, 5, 30, 50, 1,000...? A single page can have hundreds of images on it, and it would be wrong to prosecute based on an inadvertent click. Some positive hits will go unprosecuted, but that's an acceptable trade off to keep the innocent free.
 

FelixDeCat

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Yeah what if you save it to your thumb drive and hid the thing any time cops come knocking on your door?

Hiding something is not exactly the complete solution. Those images that are stored in the thumbcache.db supposedly contain information as to where it came from. So if it points to drive g:, which is your flash drive and the picture looks incriminating, they could demand you produce said drive or get you for obstruction of justice.

Encrypting your whole drive is also not a solution because they can also demand you produce the password to it or face the same charge.
 

mnewsham

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The number's irrelevant. Where do you set the cutoff point, 5, 30, 50, 1,000...? A single page can have hundreds of images on it, and it would be wrong to prosecute based on an inadvertent click. Some positive hits will go unprosecuted, but that's an acceptable trade off to keep the innocent free.

Yeah, if you hit a link and go browse facebook while it loads, when it does load you go back and see CP, you x out of the window but 500+ images loaded, what then?
 

waggy

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The number's irrelevant. Where do you set the cutoff point, 5, 30, 50, 1,000...? A single page can have hundreds of images on it, and it would be wrong to prosecute based on an inadvertent click. Some positive hits will go unprosecuted, but that's an acceptable trade off to keep the innocent free.

hmm very true didn't think of bolded.
 

SirStev0

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This law seems to make sense. I can't imagine it will last.
Our laws tend to favor zero tolerance and this is the opposite.
 

CPA

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Hiding something is not exactly the complete solution. Those images that are stored in the thumbcache.db supposedly contain information as to where it came from. So if it points to drive g:, which is your flash drive and the picture looks incriminating, they could demand you produce said drive or get you for obstruction of justice.

Encrypting your whole drive is also not a solution because they can also demand you produce the password to it or face the same charge.

Only if they had a warrant.
 

FelixDeCat

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Only if they had a warrant.

A warrant is not that hard to get based on the sites visited. They can start monitoring you at any time without your consent or knowledge back at your ISP. With enough suspicious activity they could convince a judge to allow them to pay you a visit.

This worst case scenario is you have 12-17 year old children who themselves are interested in people their own age. Because of hormones, etc, sometimes they dont think clearly so stupid things like sexting go on. Texas has moved to lessen the penalties for their age group in response.

However, in search for people their own age its not that hard to imagine them coming across what they are looking for. Then comes the knock on the door.

Ive never taken privacy more seriously than in the past year. From 1996 until mid 2011 I did not really care that much since I did not have much reason. Now I have studied everything I could, switched to FF with all sorts of privacy add ons, a ramdrive, etc.

Google can go jump in the lake.
 
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Barfo

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Can you hear that sound? it's 80% of ATOT moving to NY right this minute.
 

OutHouse

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With this decision an intentional click could be easily disregarded as inadvertent if one gets caught, whereas before it didn't matter how it was clicked. You shouldn't even be putting yourself in the situation to "inadvertently" click something suspect anyways.

ever seen kids get in a clicking frenzy and wind up in places they shouldn't be?

its why i put on opendns on all my home PC's.
 

HumblePie

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Actually, one doesn't even NEED to mis click to get this on their computer.

Someone with very little computer knowledge, which seems to be most people, may decide to find some new game they saw on a friends computer. They get home and google what they thought they saw before. They find a webpage offering a free download trial of the game they think their friend was playing. They download and install it. Turns out it was malware that is a virus, trojan, and introduces a backdoor. The computer now becomes a slave device for someone else on the internet. That person decides to use that computer as a backup storage location for all sorts of nefarious things. One of the being CP.

So that owner of that computer just put on a piece of malware that is now using their computer to be a backup storage of CP.

They notice their computer is running slow and take the computer in to get fixed at a local PC shop. The local PC finds out that they have pictures of CP. Person gets busted and sent to jail and never even "viewed" those images themselves or were aware they were on their computer. They just got screwed because they installed something they didn't know they shouldn't have installed.
 
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