CP now legal in NY?

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HumblePie

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Oct 30, 2000
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And here is what I don't get. When it is considered CP?

Say I'm a father and take a picture of my kid(s) in the bathtub. Or a "coppertone" photo while they are still young. Those are on my PC for storage of those memories. Am I now guilty of CP?
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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And here is what I don't get. When it is considered CP?

Say I'm a father and take a picture of my kid(s) in the bathtub. Or a "coppertone" photo while they are still young. Those are on my PC for storage of those memories. Am I now guilty of CP?

in a sane society no. but people have gone to jail and lost their kids for taking a pic of THEIR own baby breast feeding or toddlers naked in the tub. the law is about engaging in actual or simulated sex acts. a baby breast feeding is not a god damn sex act. God i hate some DA's
 
Nov 7, 2000
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the difference is, i can hotlink a CP pic in here, you open your thread, image get cached on your comp without realizing it and that sends you to FPMITAP. with the rule change, its only gonna target people that seek out, collect, distribute, which is how it should be. actually, the focus should truly be on the ones exploiting children. the rest is creepy and disgusting, but the real crime is in the creation of the material.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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in a sane society no. but people have gone to jail and lost their kids for taking a pic of THEIR own baby breast feeding or toddlers naked in the tub. the law is about engaging in actual or simulated sex acts. a baby breast feeding is not a god damn sex act. God i hate some DA's

yeap.

which is why i have said in a old thread you are insane to take such pictures anymore.
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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CP is illegal to post on 4chan. I've only seen it a couple times and even then it was only there for a few seconds before it was deleted.

I'm all for this ruling, as the above example shows. I wasn't actively seeking it out but I can't control what others post online if I'm on a site like 4chan.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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CP is illegal to post on 4chan. I've only seen it a couple times and even then it was only there for a few seconds before it was deleted.

I'm all for this ruling, as the above example shows. I wasn't actively seeking it out but I can't control what others post online if I'm on a site like 4chan.

This is what drove me to study every aspect of online privacy, learning more every day. I wont name names but last year there was a thread about a baby sitter who was charged with having sex with some boys under her care. Someone posted a link to pictures that were not published but were taken as evidence by someone.

There was no warning as to what would be there. Now all of sudden you have these images of the baby sitter caught in the act, exposing you to legal jeopardy because now your IP is logged as having visited that site.

That link should never have been posted or at least a clear warning as to what was there should have been given.
 
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pelov

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Dec 6, 2011
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I think the SO laws have gone to an extreme. They are restricted so severely in some places they cant work, live anywhere or do much of anything. And some of the people on those lists were put there for such things as urinating in public because they exposed themselves and an officer saw them urinating!

Yes, that makes for a strong deterent, but these people are out there and they have to reintegrate somehow.

I have never understood this aspect of law and order. If the court and the legal system as a whole feels that the prison sentence is too lenient considering the crime then extend the punishment. If the particular crime has a high recurrence rate then adjust the way you punish/rehabilitate people who commit such crimes. Condemnation to social outcast status isn't a valid method of doing anything other than alienating them due to laziness and apathy on account of the justice system.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Ah, I'm sure the catholic church was lobbying for this decision all along.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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ever seen kids get in a clicking frenzy and wind up in places they shouldn't be?

its why i put on opendns on all my home PC's.

Thanks. I was using network.proxy.socks_remote_dns in the browser config, and have now added opendns and isntalled dns encryption. :ninja:
 

amdhunter

Lifer
May 19, 2003
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You are now all going to jail for the following clown porn image. Except those of us in NY. :awe:

 

BladeVenom

Lifer
Jun 2, 2005
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Common sense in a judge. How did that happen?

They should go after those who are making it. Not someone who saw it. Our current laws are Orwellian.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Misleading thread title. No one is seriously talking about legalizing child porn, the question is simply what the threshold is for it becoming a prosecutable offense. The people who pay for it, or even worse produce it, are still going to get looooong, unpleasant prison sentences if they're caught.

QFT

I question the OP's choice of words on this.

To others...talking sexual offenders and teens. It's a slippery slope. As far as dating many places have things in place to allow this to happen. In Florida, if you are 24 you can date down to 16. Outside that a 2 year split is ok until the age hits 12 (I think)...at that point a 13 year old can be guilty of a sex crime messing around with an 12 year old.

Images are where this becomes difficult. It'd be too easy to allow a 16 year old to post 'self portraits' and still control whether she was being paid for them.

IMHO our sex laws are draconian in nature and many don't even understand they are probably breaking many of their home town laws just tweaking the wifey on a typical night.
 

DCal430

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Feb 12, 2011
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exactly. very misleading thread title.

main thing this does is if someone post "hotchick.pic" in teh "hot babe" thread and its a 6yr old naked. The person who clicked the link won't be charged (adn shouldn't).

people who download tons of it, produce it, sale it etc are still going to get nailed.

..though..100 times?

Not really, the main thing this does is someone intentionally searches for child porn on the internet views lots of it intentionally, and just doesn't save any images to their computer then it is legal. Pedos will have a field day with this.
 

DCal430

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Feb 12, 2011
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the difference is, i can hotlink a CP pic in here, you open your thread, image get cached on your comp without realizing it and that sends you to FPMITAP. with the rule change, its only gonna target people that seek out, collect, distribute, which is how it should be. actually, the focus should truly be on the ones exploiting children. the rest is creepy and disgusting, but the real crime is in the creation of the material.


Now people who seek out but do not intentionally save the files will be safe, because that is legal now.
 

mnewsham

Lifer
Oct 2, 2010
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Not really, the main thing this does is someone intentionally searches for child porn on the internet views lots of it intentionally, and just doesn't save any images to their computer then it is legal. Pedos will have a field day with this.

as long as ALL that pedo is doing is looking at the pictures...where is the harm in that?
 

Beev

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Apr 20, 2006
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as long as ALL that pedo is doing is looking at the pictures...where is the harm in that?

Uh oh... Prepare for a shitstorm from the lesser intelligent members of the forum for that question...
 

mnewsham

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Oct 2, 2010
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Uh oh... Prepare for a shitstorm from the lesser intelligent members of the forum for that question...

Im sure there will be some fallout, but if we all just think about it for a minute, I would MUCH rather have a pedo looking at an illegal image than going out and trying to solicit sex from a minor. If all the pedo is really doing is looking, what is the harm? None. If that pedo proceeds to try and lure minors, downloading videos and pics, attempting to create more CP? Then sure, lets book him. But not for simply looking at pictures, that's dumb.
 

heymrdj

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May 28, 2007
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Im sure there will be some fallout, but if we all just think about it for a minute, I would MUCH rather have a pedo looking at an illegal image than going out and trying to solicit sex from a minor. If all the pedo is really doing is looking, what is the harm? None. If that pedo proceeds to try and lure minors, downloading videos and pics, attempting to create more CP? Then sure, lets book him. But not for simply looking at pictures, that's dumb.

You broke your own statement. If a pedo is looking for it, he'll most likely download it for later. Also a pedo at sometime had to create it. If no one created it he'd have none to look for. The age old argument about the pedo porn goes back to the child that was "harmed" for the pictures ect. He may not be doing anything wrong to a child, but what was done to the child to attain that picture.

However I've seen a lot of kids want to distribute naked pics of themselves. Not sure how much harm has been done in that regard. Either way that's a question for theory and psychology. (I've been to level 5 of the internets and care not to go back in.
 

Beev

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Apr 20, 2006
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Also a pedo at sometime had to create it.

You mean a child molester.

Obviously he'd be a pedo too, but he'd also have a specific hair color/other irrelevant things.

If someone is in their own home, alone, doing their own thing, not hurting anyone, then I fully support letting them do ANYTHING they want to.
 

heymrdj

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May 28, 2007
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You mean a child molester.

Obviously he'd be a pedo too, but he'd also have a specific hair color/other irrelevant things.

If someone is in their own home, alone, doing their own thing, not hurting anyone, then I fully support letting them do ANYTHING they want to.

I understand your point a bit better there after reading, and I do agree with it. As much as society disagrees.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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This law is designed so that if some fucktard uploads a 4 year old to a forum and another person ends up viewing it and it 'cacheing' on their PC they don't get busted by the Geek Squad for being a pedo.

Even if someone constantly clears their cookies, most of the time these types end up in chat about it and some of the time are looking for real-life solutions.

This was big news down here with one of the Detectives in Lake Worth being instrumental in closing down a lot of child porn circles.

Unfortunately that same cop was busted dealing in it himself. Seems he was just about eliminating his competition.

I don't get people into this smut and I am a pretty liberal sexual guy. However that said, even when I was young I didn't think girls under 18 were very attractive to me. When I did date them, it was more luvy dovie stuff I'd do with them and then after our 'date' go to a 18 and over club and end up in a dark corner somewhere or a car.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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You mean a child molester.

Obviously he'd be a pedo too, but he'd also have a specific hair color/other irrelevant things.

If someone is in their own home, alone, doing their own thing, not hurting anyone, then I fully support letting them do ANYTHING they want to.

That's the rub. You may be there all alone stroking off to images of a 5 year old getting a train ran on her or him. However, you are then promoting the creation of those images (and more than likely also ripping off those that created them in a sad ironic event).

That's not OK. Thinking otherwise is very disturbing.
 

DCal430

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Feb 12, 2011
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That's the rub. You may be there all alone stroking off to images of a 5 year old getting a train ran on her or him. However, you are then promoting the creation of those images (and more than likely also ripping off those that created them in a sad ironic event).

That's not OK. Thinking otherwise is very disturbing.

The judges say it is ok aslong as you don't save. You can actively search and view child porn all you in new york now, just don't save the images.
 

Beev

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Apr 20, 2006
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That's the rub. You may be there all alone stroking off to images of a 5 year old getting a train ran on her or him. However, you are then promoting the creation of those images (and more than likely also ripping off those that created them in a sad ironic event).

That's not OK. Thinking otherwise is very disturbing.

I'm completely for hunting down the... creators... of the content and removing them from existence permanently.
 
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