BYT-M is now 20% of Intel's entire notebook mix, and BYT-M/D represent 60% of Intel's Pentium/Celeron mix.
I dont think core-m and brawsell are the same.
No we aren't. Core M is big core 14nm Broadwell. This is Braswell or 14nm small core.
Braswell != Core M
Braswell is the name for the Celeron and Pentium (N suffix) laptop and desktop Atom SKUs.
Core M and Cherry Trail are still Q4.
Which is, I think, a bit of a shame, considering the lack of performance of those parts, compared to "real" Celeron / Pentium (Core-derived) parts. At least to enthusiasts like me.
I still purchased two Celeron N2830 laptops though, primarily based on price.
I wonder this was their plan all along:That is my dyslexia kicking in, I read braswell as broadwell and the soc models of broad well are the core m series. Thanks all for the correction.
I wonder this was their plan all along:
"Har har, we shall flood the stores with Braswell and pry on the dyslexic who will think they are getting Broadwell and be none the wiser! Then when they realize and try to return it we'll tell them to call 1-800-Braswell, and they'll keep calling 1-800-Broadwell and get so frustrated with operators that they'll throw their laptop out the window and buy another Braswell one by accident again! Ingenious!"
:hmm: :twisted: :sneaky:
Yea, I agree, Intel *and* AMD are in a race to the bottom with these tablet chips in full size laptops and even low end desktops.
Personally I blame the OEMs they are the ones who want to do this crap for the sake of massive profits, for doing so gives them high margins. That said Intel and AMD in the end succumb to the OEMs wishes, but it is the OEMs who are pushing it.
A chromebox has less expensive parts than an android tablet yet they cost about the same. The OEM and the big box stores are the one whose pocketing the difference in the cost to build and the price when they sell it.
ASUSTek sees gross margin (that's not even including labor/R&D costs) of ~13%. That's not high. http://www.gurufocus.com/term/grossmargin/AKCPF/Gross%2BMargin/Asustek+Computer+Inc
OEMs are driving cheaper and cheaper systems because that's what their customers ultimately want.
It has nothing to do with yields. I think this is what the article is talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-silicon_validation
Yes. And yet: I work for a contractor that uses equipment bought by a county for its own use -- we're on their net. Recently they replaced their WinXP Dell boxes and old 5:4 displays with HP boxes and wide aspect displays -- same height as the old, but wider. Inside the boxen are i7 4770 CPU's with 4GB RAM. Talk about future proofing! I wonder what the cost per CPU difference is when the boxen are bought in quantity?
Yes. And yet: I work for a contractor that uses equipment bought by a county for its own use -- we're on their net. Recently they replaced their WinXP Dell boxes and old 5:4 displays with HP boxes and wide aspect displays -- same height as the old, but wider. Inside the boxen are i7 4770 CPU's with 4GB RAM. Talk about future proofing! I wonder what the cost per CPU difference is when the boxen are bought in quantity?
crazy as that seems now that it's EOL and not receiving security patches
Braswell != Core M
Braswell is the name for the Celeron and Pentium (N suffix) laptop and desktop Atom SKUs.
Core M and Cherry Trail are still Q4.
"[...] so we have Cherry Trail coming in at the end of this year and ramping in the first half." -- Brian Krzanich, Q2 earnings call
Braswell was always rumored to be released in Q1 until this article.
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014071701_Intel_Braswell_processors_could_be_delayed.htmlBased on documents, that we have seen, the "Ready to ship" time frame for Braswell products has been moved to mid-March - mid-May 2015.
Braswell in Q2 2015 was already known since weeks.
It's hard to keep track of all the Intel delays these days when they are stacked on top of each other like this.
Didn't you found something older than that? There won't be Cherry Trail-T devices out this year. At IDF Intel is only presenting their 2015 Roadmap regarding Tablet
https://intel.activeevents.com/sf14/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=1421
Not even a (paper) presentation and nothing specific means no Cherry Trail devices this year. That's why it is so silent about Cherry Trail-T. This is also no surprise since Computex. You should lower your expectations finally. Furthermore Mark Bohr recently told that their 14nm P1273 Soc process schedule is 3-6 months behind P1272. Not ready before Q1-Q2 2015.
Thursday July 17, 2014 19:01
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014071701_Intel_Braswell_processors_could_be_delayed.html
Q2 is nothing more than expected for Braswell after the latest 14nm delays. It's just a logical consequence.
Yea, I agree, Intel *and* AMD are in a race to the bottom with these tablet chips in full size laptops and even low end desktops.
I think you're both saying the same thing: that more and more computer/laptops are now shipping with Atom/Puma cores instead of "big" cores. Atom used to only be in 10.1" and now it seems to be everywhere. This can be interpreted as an "improvement in performance" if you only look at tablets or a "race to the bottom in performance" if you look at larger form factors. Either way I don't think your argument is actually an argument, but is actually a confirmation/agreement.You are you 180 degrees wrong. Prior generation Atom did now sell because it was too wimpy and consumed too much energy. Current generation Atoms sell in large volumes because of a roughly doubling of CPU performance and efficiency with significantly enhanced graphics. Rather than a race to the bottom, with Silvermont, Atom is moving towards towards mainstream domination. While we lack validated silicon, it's obvious Braswell will find broad mainstream acceptance that increases Atom's desktop and laptop market share. At 22nm, market acceptance of BYT-D and BYT-M is strong. At 14nm, Braswell moves significantly up market with no increase in TDP.
The combination of Windows RT and Phone will be pretty big too,
Yea, I agree, Intel *and* AMD are in a race to the bottom with these tablet chips in full size laptops and even low end desktops.
Nope. You don't sell what consumers don't want. Tablets have spoiled consumers as low cost computing devices - even high end tablets are what, 400-500$? With other 7 inch tablets costing 150-whatever. Compared to high end laptops costing way way more. Yes, I know ultrabooks are more capable, but for the average joe that doesn't need the power and merely wants media consumption, the tablet is their choice and is a fine choice for their needs. You may be right, consumers may in fact be happy with this performance. OTOH, they may find the performance marginal at best now and totally frustrating in a few years as software and internet use becomes more demanding.
The market drives what is produced, not the other way around. Like it or not those cheap tablets and cheap chromebooks are eating into laptop sales to an extent that intel has to address that market. Speaking of which, their answer was making chips that can be used in those very same tablets and chromebooks. And chromebooks sell by the boatloads, don't kid yourself, consumers that don't need the added horsepower of a full laptop love the chromebooks. So eitehr intel can sit by and not get those sales (and give them to other ARM SOCs) or they can try to make a chip to address that low cost segment.
This is not intel's doing. The market drives what is produced, period. That said, there is still a healthy market for high performance portables and intel still sells those chips, and there will always be a vast difference between the capabilities of a cheese chromebook versus a full fledged ultrabook. And for those that need it, it's there. It's all up to the consumer really.
Some consumers need the computing power of an ultrabook. They get a core architecture chip. For those that don't need the power, they get something less such as an ARM SOC or Bay Trail based chromebook. We can argue about intel's success in this respect all day long but this is a market that intel needs to address, and they are. In the meantime, for high performance computing devices there is no one that can touch intel, and they get nearly 100% of that business. Ultrabooks,macbooks, and high end laptops are still selling very well so intel may not be making a ton of money on the low end but the high end more than makes up for it. These consumers (high end vs low end computing devices) don't overlap, they buy based on what their computing needs are, pretty much.
I'm curious as to whether you've ever tried the full fledged Android experience on a desktop ~For a full touchpad / keyboard experience , Windows is hands down better than android, and core is far more powerful (obviously). It's just the low end windows tablets that I find somewhat off-putting.