[CPUWorld] Intel "Braswell" 14 nm systems-on-a-chip delayed (again)

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I'm curious as to whether you've ever tried the full fledged Android experience on a desktop ~

http://www.android-x86.org

I personally think on a touchscreen monitor, which I don't have, it's head & shoulders above anything Windows. This is not to say that Windows isn't a superior platform with keyboard/mouse support but Android ain't all that bad, plus some gestures need a multi touch screen & are hard to pull off with a single pointer mouse.

I have a tablet with Android, and I absolutely hate it. No way would I let it touch my desktop. I will admit though that I game on windows, and have no interest in the myriad of android "games", or most of the apps either. I suppose if you were into those, you could feel differently. But windows does everything I want to do without having to download an app, and gaming is beyond any comparison to android.

As for a touch screen, I see limited use for one on a desktop. Maybe for an AIO or something just used for browsing and media consumption, but for a conventional desktop, keyboard/mouse is far superior. In addition, not sure why you would want to sit so close to a large monitor and mess it up with fingerprints.
 

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Windows x86 and android both have their place. It boils down to whether you're using at home or on the go. Fact of the matter is, windows is garbage a touch driven mobile platform while android is excellent at being a touch based mobile platform. When i'm on the go, iOS or android it is. Windows it isn't because like I said....backwards compatibility is everything in windows, yet this leads to 99% of apps being garbage for touch driven mobile devices. And that is where windows 8.1 falls flat on its face: touch driven mobile device.

I wouldn't use android in my home. I use android/iOS (mostly iOS) when i'm on the go. I love my ipad air. I love using my PC at home. They both have their place in different usage scenarios. But the fact of the matter is, windows 8.1 is not a good touch driven MOBILE experience, period. Android/ios are just superior in every way being that DPI scaling actually, well, works, and the apps are designed from the ground up for mobility. In windows, nothing is designed for mobility, and 75% of the apps in the windows store are scams. Did anyone seriously look through windows store? LOL. Not that I need it, I get all the apps I need by just downloading. But seriously. Windows 8.1 as a touch driven mobile device, do not buy.

That's why I think BT makes perfect sense for android devices, but Win 8.1 on a mobile touch based tablet.....when you're actually ON THE GO....I feel sorry for the sucker that buys one.

I don't even know how MS can even fix this because it's far too late to create separate OS for mobile and desktop, primarily because they tried and failed with Windows RT and they're just far too late in comparison to android or iOS. Apple got it: say what you will about apple but they understand that different needs require different usage models. You can't use the same usage model for desktop and mobile. This is what Windows 8.1 tried and failed miserably at. So in the meantime i'll use win 8.1 at home, but never on a touch based tablet.
 
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That's why I think BT makes perfect sense for android devices, but Win 8.1 on a mobile touch based tablet.....when you're actually ON THE GO....I feel sorry for the sucker that buys one.

Why do you feel this way? Can you back up your claims with some examples?
As an owner of a Nexus 7, Asus T100, and a former user of iPad2, I much prefer windows. I know this might not be the popular opinion, but I think you are greatly exaggerating.
 

Carson Dyle

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I see that Cherry Trail is now shipping and Braswell is still slated for Q2 2015.

Have detailed specs for Braswell been announced? Maximum RAM, number of SATA ports, etc.?
 
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You are you 180 degrees wrong. Prior generation Atom did now sell because it was too wimpy and consumed too much energy. Current generation Atoms sell in large volumes because of a roughly doubling of CPU performance and efficiency with significantly enhanced graphics. Rather than a race to the bottom, with Silvermont, Atom is moving towards towards mainstream domination. While we lack validated silicon, it's obvious Braswell will find broad mainstream acceptance that increases Atom's desktop and laptop market share. At 22nm, market acceptance of BYT-D and BYT-M is strong. At 14nm, Braswell moves significantly up market with no increase in TDP.

I reside in the Philippines where a KW of electricity costs about US $ 0.34. That means in 24/7 mode, every watt costs $2.97 per year. My computer is on 24/7 to host a firewall with NAT, host a P2P daemon, provide remote access to my home network and run an XFCE desktop with browser and media consumption applications. I could run a big core but it would cost more than my Atom J1800. If big core requires 10-15 watts more electricity in my use pattern, that's an additional $30-45/year to operate.

I can easily afford that, but I do not understand what meaningful benefit a big core would provide. My browsing speed is capped by an inferior 3rd world ISP. I have no issues consuming my media and 1080P to my large screen plasma TV works great. After months of use, I see exactly one issue where the J1800 is weak. Playing AisleRiot Solitaire, when I drag a stack of cards, the stack distorts (like a transporter beam malfunction) upon any touch to the edge of the screen . It does not interfere with game play, but my I3 NUC handles this perfectly. This may be a Linux driver issue. For my use case a J1800 (with SSD) is in no way a hardship. A big core does nothing for me except increase costs.

By most standards, I am not a gamer. If a well regarded discrete graphics device floats your boat, go for it. The oft quoted Steam statistics suggests high end gamers are the affluent minority. The idea that high end gaming standards dominate mainstream preferences is just wacky. Sales data suggests consumers understand this even if the use case distinction befuddles some "enthusiasts". Atom, Intel's cheapest desktop line, is not targeted at high end gamers who represent the most demanding consumer desktop segment. However, the leaked slides clearly indicate Braswell NUC will target "light mainstream gaming". From a SoC perspective, the bottom of the market is rapidly moving upmarket. This rising tide may not lift all boats.

You care about power consumption yet own a large plasma tv. Lol.
 

Kaido

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You are you 180 degrees wrong. Prior generation Atom did now sell because it was too wimpy and consumed too much energy. Current generation Atoms sell in large volumes because of a roughly doubling of CPU performance and efficiency with significantly enhanced graphics. Rather than a race to the bottom, with Silvermont, Atom is moving towards towards mainstream domination. While we lack validated silicon, it's obvious Braswell will find broad mainstream acceptance that increases Atom's desktop and laptop market share. At 22nm, market acceptance of BYT-D and BYT-M is strong. At 14nm, Braswell moves significantly up market with no increase in TDP.

Yeah, that's my perspective as well. I've been working with a lot of the little Baytrail-T SoC lately over in SFF:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2424482

I nixed Atoms after being burned by netbooks, but got renewed interest due to the cost & feature set in the Z3735 models. They have their hiccups (primarily the 32-bit UEFI & most have 32-gig eMMC, which only gives you ~20 gigs of usable space, or ~4 gigs with a dual-boot Android system from China), but they have a lot of really interesting applications as replacements for older computers, cheap digital signage, thin clients, emulation gaming stations, etc.

Just look at the success of the Asus T100 2-in-1 (and the amazingly low cost!). Braswell looks like it will fix a lot of issues (yay 64-bit!), plus introduce some new goodness like a better GPU & hopefully lower temps (the Intel Compute HDMI stick knockoff I tried gets pretty toasty with high GPU usage). The thing I'm most curious about will be the cost: right now, the MSI Cubi is $149 barebones, so they're really going to have to go low on the Braswell-D stuff for it to take off, like $99 or something if you BYO RAM. Guess we'll find out in Q3! :awe:
 

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Not sure if this is news, but I found some Braswell info here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/31/intel_braswell_atom_socs/

At the bottom end of the batch, the Celeron N3000 and N3050 each come with two CPU cores – and because Silvermont doesn't support Hyper-threading, each core can only handle a single processing thread.

The N3000 slurps the least power of the two, at 1.04GHz with a burst frequency of 2.08GHz and a thermal design power of 4W. The N3050 has a base clock speed of 1.6GHz, boost speed of 2.16GHz, and a 6W TDP. The GPU of both chips is clocked at a base of 320MHz with a maximum boost frequency of 600MHz. Each has 1MB of L2 cache.

The other two entries in the new bunch are the midrange Celeron N3150 and the heavyweight of the set (relatively speaking), the Pentium N3700. Each delivers four CPU cores at a base clock speed of 1.6GHz and a TDP of 6W.

The two units really only differ under load. The N3150's CPU cores have a maximum boost frequency of 2.08GHz, compared to 2.4GHz for the Pentium-branded product. The N3150's GPU has a maximum boost speed of 640MHz, too, while the N3700's GPU can boost up to 700MHz.
So according to that:

Celeron N3000 - Dual Core 1.04GHz (2.08GHz turbo) 4W TDP, GPU 320-600MHz
Celeron N3050 - Dual Core 1.6GHz (2.16GHz turbo) 6W TDP, GPU 320-600MHz
Celeron N3150 - Quad Core 1.6GHz (2.08GHz turbo) 6W TDP, GPU 320-640MHz
Pentium N3700 - Quad Core 1.6GHz (2.4GHz turbo) 6W TDP, GPU 320-700MHz
 

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Not sure if this is news, but I found some Braswell info here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/31/intel_braswell_atom_socs/

So according to that:

Celeron N3000 - Dual Core 1.04GHz (2.08GHz turbo) 4W TDP, GPU 320-600MHz
Celeron N3050 - Dual Core 1.6GHz (2.16GHz turbo) 6W TDP, GPU 320-600MHz
Celeron N3150 - Quad Core 1.6GHz (2.08GHz turbo) 6W TDP, GPU 320-640MHz
Pentium N3700 - Quad Core 1.6GHz (2.4GHz turbo) 6W TDP, GPU 320-700MHz

Those would be the equivalent of the M models. I wonder when we see the D models?
 

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New write up on the Surface 3, 14nm Cherry Trail..

http://www.zdnet.com/article/beneath-the-surface-3/

"..x7-8700, which has the faster CPU and more powerful graphics (16 EUs). The Surface 3 uses the 1.6GHz x7-8700 (early test results posted on Geekbench suggest it is slightly faster than Bay Trail but notably slower than both the Surface Pro 3 with a Core i5-4300U and the Apple iPad Air 2, which also starts at $499). Intel has said that Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo and Toshiba will also release devices using the x5 and x7 processors."
 
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