Crack Rack for Dummies II

Russ

Lifer
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I'll add this here, in case he doesn't pop back in to the other thread.

Kwatt,

If the intent is to learn CL first (rather than saving disk space) you can just leave to the GUI on, and not use it. Just move to a different terminal. You can have up to seven open. The 7th is the GUI, the other six are command line (unless you tell one of them to load the GUI).

The TTY's are accessed by Control/Alt F1 thru F7.

Russ, NCNE
 

Kilowatt

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I must admit, I'm a GUI junkie.

The problem I have with booting to the CL is that you'll only see one thing at a time, and forget where the other one you where working on was.
(it's a bitch to feel like your getting old and forgetful )

I must of had eight/nine differant window and term boxes open at once when I was building Klinux.
I should of taken a screen shot during some of it.
(than Russ could of caught me working as root )
 

Russ

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I alternate between the two, about 50/50 in each. But, the only reason I do this is because I want to try and understand the guts of Linux, and using the GUI only doesn't satisfy that need.

Because when I started building, I was doing DOS only boxes, I have a pretty good handle on the underpinnings of Windows. I'd like to some day, hopefully, have a similar comfort level with Linux.

Russ, NCNE
 

TheyCallMeSAK

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Linux. Call me a newbie, but the sound of it scares me:Q. I haven't even poked with the OS, or any version of it. I'm sure one day I must face the challenge...And that day isn't getting any further. j/k

I'l mess with it, when i get the chance. And maybe if I get a rack going.
 

ccalvert

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Oct 9, 1999
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I supose this would be a good of time as any to say that my self contained linux client disk is about 99.9% complete, just a couple of final touches.

I have given up on ever hearing from d.net, but I do plan to send them a new version tomarrow when it is 100 percent finished. After I find a place to host it, it should be ready I supose. Right now, it just needs a few cosmetic touches.

I would have had it finished sooner, but I had some problems getting the DNS support to work (nothing like building you own distro from the ground up ), and some computer problems, but it is going again now.
 

Russ

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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ccalvert,

If, by a place to host it, you mean a site where people can download it, no problem. I have several.

Russ, NCNE
 

ccalvert

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Oct 9, 1999
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Cool. It would take about 30 MB since I would have to make all of my source code avalible, and a few hours to upload everything with my dinky little modem.

I am just working on the licencing part of the documentation right now, then I need to setup the console to bring the numlock on by default (I would hate for people to start typing away on the numberpad, only to get junk on the screen ), be absolutly sure that I have the correct source version for the libs (I have compiled everything on the disk from source execpt for the libs (I got them to compile, but they didn't want to work right for some reason (go figure), so I used the ones from debian, and I need to make sure that the source version that I am going to be packing is the same so that I can meet any licencing requirements). Also, I might need to add some delay between the network initilization and the client setup so that some types of network drivers don't print info over the screen when you are setting up the client. Other than that, it is good to go beta this very moment.
 

Batti

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Feb 2, 2000
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ccalvert and Russ,

Please get together and host ccalvert's setup. Some of us are VERY interested in it!!! I know ccalvert has a lot of work into it.

Thanks!
 

ccalvert

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That is always nice to know I have a couple of people in the IRC channel testing "preview versions" for me, and haven't discovered any major bugs yet. It should be beta as soon as I finish a couple of things (basicly when I get off of irc and boot back into Linux to continue my work ).

The only reason that I would need so much room (about 30 MB) is because I need to keep everything legal and distribute the source. Everything is GNU General Public License or GNU Lesser General Public License, except for the shell which is under a BSD license, the code that I wrote to make everything run (building your own Linux distribution from the ground up requires a fair deal of scripting ), and the dnet client which, although they say on their cilent download page that you should only be downloading from them, they don't expressly prohibit redistribution anywhere that I can see. They basicly only say that it has to be used in distributed.net projects (which it will be), and that you have to have the hardware owner's permission to run the client. Since they don't respond to e-mail, there is no choice to have it somewhere other than the distributed.net website (though I would like to work something out, dnet!), so I guess that it will have to hosted somewhere like Russ's, or Jay's if he/they is/are willing

Yet another edit ---> Also, I should probably say that there are a few featuers that I was originaly hoping for that arn't goint to make it in at this point in time. One is DHCP support (I never got around to getting a DHCP server going to test it with ) and the other is writing information to disk. It should be possible, but I don't know if it would really be worth the effort since I am hoping that everything should be fairly stable, although I supose there is always power outages to worry about. One interesting idea that I came up with, but that isn't going to happen any time soon (or atleast not untill I get a fast always on internet conneciton), is building customer images server side. it theoreticly wouldn't be hard to do, it would require reworking the structure of the init scritps a little bit, but they could probably be made more "plug and playable" so that you could just have the server copy everything into a temporary directory, generate a couple of small configuration dependent files, and then build build the image all within a few seconds so that the users values would be hard wired in, but like I said, that probably won't happen at least untill some company brings broad band to the Village of Livingston.

Another edit --> Just thought that I should also say that the list of network card drivers has grown a bit from what it originaly was. Here is the current included drivers.
  • 3c503
  • 3c515
  • 3c509/3c579
  • 3c590/3c900 (592/595/597) "Vortex/Boomerang"
  • WD80*3
  • SMC Ultra (I haven't forgotten about you Russ )
  • NE2000/NE1000
  • AMD Lance and PCnet (AT 1550 and NE2100)
  • AMD PCnet32
  • DECchip Tulip (dc21x4x) PCI - Old driver
  • EtherExpressPro / EtherExpress 10 (i82595)
  • EtherExpressPro/100
  • TI ThunderLAN
Also, the client should (in theory) be able to work on a 486sx now (it really increased the size of the kernel to add FPU emulation support, but I had, and still have, quite a bit of free space on the floppy; however, if that ever changes, the FPU emulation will probably be the first thing to go). Although the least ammount of memory that I have tried it with it 16MB, I am guessing that the minimum required memory would probably be 8MB (although I wouldn't be too supprised if it would run fine on 4MB), but like the ability to run on a 486sx, and about 75% of the network drivers, the minimum memory ammount hasn't really been tested yet.
 

networkman

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Apr 23, 2000
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Hey all!

I took a look a the URL posted by Micheal above! I signed up for the beta-testing program. Pricing doesn't look too bad considering what you get http://www.krasnoconv.com/order.html

In my case, I'm looking at it as a way to save on my electric bill! If I can have a single or dual P2 system, with another 6 CPUs in the same case, I can cut down on the number of power-hungry machines in my house!

Consider the possiblities...
 

mindless

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Oct 9, 1999
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Come on guys, think. What I would like to do with those is pick up a board with 6 PCI slots (Abit BF6 comes to mind) and fill it up with those 6 cpu boards. Of course you could only use 5 in there cause of video, but still that would be 30 of them little cpu thingys. Now if you just set up a crack rack of systems like that....
 

mindless

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Aaah damn. guess next time Ill have to read the site and try not to look like and idiot, nah too much effore
 

Batti

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Ccalvert,

I'd encourage you to allow writing of the config ini settings to the floppy. I view that as pretty important. My scenario is a crack rack in a closed closet 75 miles from home. I usually visit every couple of weeks, but sometimes it's a month or more. A power spike brings the whole rack down...

No DHCP isn't a problem, but the TCP/IP settings also need to be saved so the machine comes up on the network after reboot. How much trouble are these two things?

Shoot me an email, I can do some testing for you.

Thanks!!!
 

ccalvert

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Sorry I wasn't around yesterday, I went to Madison and spent way money on hardware then I was planing too (I LOVE DOING THAT! ). I now have decent 3d acceleartion, a case for some old parts to have another computer, a floppy drive for it (the most important part when you work on something like this ), and enough hard drive space to easily have large installs of multipul OSes on my main computer. Now I don't have to worry about trying to create a loop back file system on a fat32 partition, just to have enough room to compile libraries. I have to go to work soon, but in the mean time, I am getting everything up and running, and (assuming that everything gets up and running), restoring backups, so I should hopefully be getting a chance to finish up the disk VERY soon (things never go quite as you plan *sigh*). As for the upcomming release, it won't have the possibility to write info to disk, but, as soon as that gets out for testing (It should very soon (Yeah, I said that before)), since I think that I finaly figured out what to do to get the numlock key to come on (this whole project is a learning experence for me ),which is important, because more or less everyone who has tried the current build for me had problems because they tried navigating through the client config menus with the number pad, and didn't get anywhere, not realising what was wrong. After the beta is up somewhere (can't just DCC it to everyone ) I guess that I will have to make writing to disk the next big feature (version 0.1.1?) , as it shouldn't be to hard to put another file system on the floppy (I still have quite a bit of free room), and put in a script that mounts it and checks for the presence of certin files.
 

TheyCallMeSAK

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You could always consider implementing (2) large floppy drives as one's configuration. Just an idea. Nice work though. Are we really that worth it? Thanks for all you have accomplished. Can't wait to give it a try.
 

ccalvert

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I have everything going in windows (except my sound card), so I should have some time to get Linux installed tonight and do some stuff. Floppy RAID? I supose it is possible, and if anything could use a speed increase, it would be a floppy drive Seriously though, it would really increase the complexity of things, and I don't seem to be having any troule fitting everything I need on a single floppy (THANK YOU COMPRESSION!)
 

TheyCallMeSAK

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You must be good with compression. Yeah, I just meant an extra floppy, or drive could give a lil more working room and allow extra stuff, like drivers, the client maybe, etc. Does your disk allow the "mapping" of network drives. A remote file cow-client configuration might be nice. Is there any basic info on your disk you could give? As I have mentioned before, not a linux expert. THanks again.
 

ccalvert

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LeBlatt offered to host the documentation (not quite finished yet, especialy the licences part, I am going to end up redoing that)temporarialy untill I get it released (my release dates keep slipping, I am starting to feel like a real developer ) and posted somewhere. I will post the URL when I find it out.
 
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