It’s interesting to see how something like CRT in general makes conservatives feel uneasy, but a government body pushing alt-facts in public textbooks and curriculum is totes-cool cuz the government body is run like it’s part of a tribe they all belong to@ch33zw1z oh yea, and tagged all our conservative members there… guess what, no response.
vscsdSince the poor little kids of Mr. and Mrs. Whitey can't deal with this countries real history let's just make up something.
Florida Schools to Tell Kids Slavery Benefited Black People
The Florida Board of Education has approved shocking new standards for African American history, despite overwhelming backlash from the public.www.thedailybeast.com
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If learning a skill was such a benefit to slaves why don't we enslave a bunch of white people and teach them a skill like carpentry. That's the good news. The bad news?Always a little askew, aren't you? CNN "Republican Panelist" is not "CNN".
Dude just thinks it is a fake controversy, not "Lies".
Put on ignore, because nothing you post is trustworthy.
Tue Aug 1, 2023 and still nobody can name the district where CRT is taught.
Even if it was, so what!
If learning a skill was such a benefit to slaves why don't we enslave a bunch of white people and teach them a skill like carpentry. That's the good news. The bad news?
Beatings
Rapes
Dehumanization
Murders
Lack of freedom
Lack of education
Let's have a large source of free white labor from companies owned by black people. I suspect all that free labor will make the new black owners rich.
With the nebulousness of the subject matter, I wonder if they haven't moved the goal posts.Tue Aug 1, 2023 and still nobody can name the district where CRT is taught.
So they just redefined CRT and go .. See, this is where CRT is taught. They dont even bother to make the acronym line up. Well, it doesnt matter, the target audience will eat it up either way.With the nebulousness of the subject matter, I wonder if they haven't moved the goal posts.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/yes-critical-race-theory-is-being-taught-in-schools
But strong connections exist between the cultural radicalism of CRT and the one-sided, decontextualized portrayal of American history and society that Democratic activists endorse. And these ideas have also influenced many Democratic voters. Indeed, according to a 2021 YouGov survey, large majorities of Democratic respondents support public schools’ teaching many of the morally and empirically contentious ideas to which opponents of CRT object. These include the notions that racism is systemic in America (85 percent support), that all disparities between blacks and whites are caused by discrimination (72 percent), that white people enjoy certain privileges based on their race (85 percent), and that they have a responsibility to address racial inequality (87 percent).Can we break that down? Let's see...
That appears to be their definition of CRT. To which I would reply...
- racism is systemic in America
- all disparities between blacks and whites are caused by discrimination
- white people enjoy certain privileges based on their race
- they have a responsibility to address racial inequality
1. Systemic bias is everywhere, with everyone. Of course it is "in America". To be human is to be biased. Period.2. Yes, and no. One cannot separate a people's outcome from their present and past mistreatment. Some few can rise above it, but most are harmed.3. That's just an echo of #1. It is obvious that a majority does not suffer being a minority, nor the bias or discrimination to go with that.4. We should make the world a better place.... duh?
I oppose the "CRT" crap as it was described two years ago, but they are not backing that up with any samples, reports, sources, or stories of it being continued or widespread. Their current argument is not the one they started with. I suspect some bad actors were blown out of proportion and scale. That the... whistle of CRT rages under a guise for right wing ideology to oppose left wing ideology. Surely it is as shallow as that. If these points are all they have, then their argument is not just weak and flawed, it is largely made up.
My framing and context for these issues is different from how I see others describe them. I VERY MUCH oppose telling little white kids that they are evil racists that need to repent. But I would certainly teach them the sins of the past, the difficulties of the present, and our need to make improvements, to make the world a better place. That we will always have work to do, to guard against bias and discrimination. That this is an eternal part of being human, with all our natural failings. We must build and maintain institutions that help everyone.
For our nation, E Pluribus Unum is my meaning and my purpose. I would see us acknowledge bias and discrimination, I would see us work to oppose it. However, this does not just place me in opposition to right wing efforts. In their redress of grievances, and in stark contrast to the speech of Martin Luther King Jr, Democrats do not always favor color blind policies. When they stray from the path of righteousness, I will call them out. CRT could have been that, but Republicans have done a piss poor job of demonstrating that it really exists. Instead they use it as a whistle to further their agenda, which has proven to not be my agenda.
@HomerJS I would say you win the topic by default. Similar to one side not even showing up to a court hearing.
As pointed out you can't just make up a definition, ascribe it to CRT and then claim, "see, it is taught". It's like Biden won the election because of voter fraud, which doesn't exist at the levels to effect an election.Can we break that down? Let's see...
That appears to be their definition of CRT. To which I would reply...
- racism is systemic in America
- all disparities between blacks and whites are caused by discrimination
- white people enjoy certain privileges based on their race
- they have a responsibility to address racial inequality
1. Systemic bias is everywhere, with everyone. Of course it is "in America". To be human is to be biased. Period.2. Yes, and no. One cannot separate a people's outcome from their present and past mistreatment. Some few can rise above it, but most are harmed.3. That's just an echo of #1. It is obvious that a majority does not suffer being a minority, nor the bias or discrimination to go with that.4. We should make the world a better place.... duh?
Let's explore a little more about the authors of this article.With the nebulousness of the subject matter, I wonder if they haven't moved the goal posts.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/yes-critical-race-theory-is-being-taught-in-schools
But strong connections exist between the cultural radicalism of CRT and the one-sided, decontextualized portrayal of American history and society that Democratic activists endorse. And these ideas have also influenced many Democratic voters. Indeed, according to a 2021 YouGov survey, large majorities of Democratic respondents support public schools’ teaching many of the morally and empirically contentious ideas to which opponents of CRT object. These include the notions that racism is systemic in America (85 percent support), that all disparities between blacks and whites are caused by discrimination (72 percent), that white people enjoy certain privileges based on their race (85 percent), and that they have a responsibility to address racial inequality (87 percent).Can we break that down? Let's see...
That appears to be their definition of CRT. To which I would reply...
- racism is systemic in America
- all disparities between blacks and whites are caused by discrimination
- white people enjoy certain privileges based on their race
- they have a responsibility to address racial inequality
1. Systemic bias is everywhere, with everyone. Of course it is "in America". To be human is to be biased. Period.2. Yes, and no. One cannot separate a people's outcome from their present and past mistreatment. Some few can rise above it, but most are harmed.3. That's just an echo of #1. It is obvious that a majority does not suffer being a minority, nor the bias or discrimination to go with that.4. We should make the world a better place.... duh?
I oppose the "CRT" crap as it was described two years ago, but they are not backing that up with any samples, reports, sources, or stories of it being continued or widespread. Their current argument is not the one they started with. I suspect some bad actors were blown out of proportion and scale. That the... whistle of CRT rages under a guise for right wing ideology to oppose left wing ideology. Surely it is as shallow as that. If these points are all they have, then their argument is not just weak and flawed, it is largely made up.
My framing and context for these issues is different from how I see others describe them. I VERY MUCH oppose telling little white kids that they are evil racists that need to repent. But I would certainly teach them the sins of the past, the difficulties of the present, and our need to make improvements, to make the world a better place. That we will always have work to do, to guard against bias and discrimination. That this is an eternal part of being human, with all our natural failings. We must build and maintain institutions that help everyone.
For our nation, E Pluribus Unum is my meaning and my purpose. I would see us acknowledge bias and discrimination, I would see us work to oppose it. However, this does not just place me in opposition to right wing efforts. In their redress of grievances, and in stark contrast to the speech of Martin Luther King Jr, Democrats do not always favor color blind policies. When they stray from the path of righteousness, I will call them out. CRT could have been that, but Republicans have done a piss poor job of demonstrating that it really exists. Instead they use it as a whistle to further their agenda, which has proven to not be my agenda.
@HomerJS I would say you win the topic by default. Similar to one side not even showing up to a court hearing.
About the Authors
Zach Goldberg is a Paulson Policy Analyst who recently completed his PhD in political science from Georgia State University. His dissertation focused on the “Great Awokening”—closely examining the role that the media and collective moral emotions played in recent shifts in racial liberalism among white Americans. At MI, his work will touch on a range of different issues, including identity politics, criminal justice, and understanding the sources of American political polarization. Some of Goldberg’s previous writing on identity politics in America can be found at Tablet and on his Substack.
In the summer of 2020, Goldberg joined MI President Reihan Salam, Columbia University Professor Musa al-Gharbi, and Birkbeck College Professor and MI Adjunct Fellow Eric Kaufmann for a conversation on the “Great Awokening”—the strong leftward shift among white liberals on issues of racial inequality and discrimination, immigration, and diversity that has been taking place since 2014.
Eric Kaufmann is an adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a professor of politics at Birkbeck College, University of London. Kaufmann’s scholarship focuses on cultural politics, religious and national identity, and demography. He is the author of Whiteshift (2018/19), Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth (2010), The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America (2004), and The Orange Order (2007), among others. He has co-authored reports on academic freedom and the political response to demographic change and edited books on demography and ethnicity. An editor of the journal Nations & Nationalism, he has written for the New York Times, Newsweek, Foreign Affairs, New Statesman, National Review, and Prospect. He holds a PhD from the London School of Economics and Political Science and lives in London.
While 40 percent of young Americans not taught CSJ say they sometimes think whites are "racist and mean," this soars to 72 percent among those who said they were taught the maximum of six CSJ concepts. Support for racial preferences more than doubles, and white guilt increases by 50 percent, between those taught the minimum and maximum number of CSJ ideas.
All of this leads to the sad conclusion that the nationwide impact of school choice is likely to be limited—hardly a panacea to such a big problem. If the schools that credential teachers and supply the nation's curriculum materials are saturated with CSJ, most private, parochial and homeschooled children will be, too.
School choice is important in offering committed parents a way to bypass the cultural radicalism which is infecting public schools. But when it comes to reversing the political indoctrination of the nation's young people, only reform of curriculum content, as in Ron De Santis' Florida or Glenn Youngkin's Virginia, is likely to move the needle.
Interesting...As pointed out you can't just make up a definition, ascribe it to CRT and then claim, "see, it is taught". It's like Biden won the election because of voter fraud, which doesn't exist at the levels to effect an election.
I'll just take a look at your 4 so called tenets of CRT which are not all true but let's just look at #1. Your reply to #1 isn't even a reply to the statement. Racism and bias are not the same thing so that point is little more than a strawman.
You are not being an honest broker in this discussion.
My bad. I did read as advocating for the redefinition of CRT.Interesting...
Your reading comprehension appears to be zero.
Republicans attack CRT as the teachings of 1-4. In their view, it is immoral and a crime to teach any of those things. That racism and bias exist. That it can set people back, harm entire communities and groups. That being the majority is a privilege, or that we owe it to people to push back and fix things.
I very clearly stated my affirmation of 1-4. I provided the context of my CLEAR opposition to Republican attacks on those ideas.
So what the hell are you going on about?
Critical race theory was, until recently, an obscure school of thought in legal academia focused on analyzing the failures of mainstream legal approaches to fully remedy racial inequalities embedded in American law and society. It is not a standard part of the K-12 curriculum in Virginia or elsewhere.
Nonetheless, conservative intellectual entrepreneurs like Rufo have succeeded in redefining the term “critical race theory” to refer to a whole swath of progressive trends in sociocultural life, ranging from diversity trainings to history curricula emphasizing the role of racism in American history.
In other words Republicans are successful at making up bullshit and making it stick.
Interesting review of CRT propaganda and its effect on the election.
Did critical race theory really swing the Virginia election?
Attacks on CRT and school education on racial issues have gotten a lot of credit for Glenn Youngkin’s victory. A closer look at the evidence tells a more complicated story.www.vox.com
What it did confirm is something I've screaming about this entire thread. CRT as defined and spread by Republicans is compete bullshit. However the conclusion it didn't cost Dems the election. Terry McAuliffe was a poor candidate. I disagree. Parents were angry because they were being told to be angry over CRT. TMA responded to the accusations poorly. Ask yourself how could parents be angry at a state whose schools ranked #4 in the country? It was a snow job.