crazy for god

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You can't lump atheists together as you can do with theists, we have no religion, no faith in anything and each and every one of us are individuals, we have no common goal, no descriptor except "lacks faith in a deity".

Government may have replaced the church, but blind faith is abound.

If you knew anything about me, you would understand how ridiculous that is.

We got rid of Blair and while Gordon Brown isn't a sane human being, he'll be gone soon too.

Of course, those who put ALL OF their faith into their government aren't known as Brits, they are known as Americans and yeah, when push came to shove you pissed on freedom for temporary safety.

Now tell me, who did that? It was all of them there darned atheistases, right?

You know WHY atheists didn't do that? Because we have no faith in anything what so ever, and don't tell me that you think that the less than 10% of Americans that are atheists are the ones who put faith in government to solve their issues with secular society and extremist values.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You can't lump atheists together as you can do with theists, we have no religion, no faith in anything and each and every one of us are individuals, we have no common goal, no descriptor except "lacks faith in a deity".

Government may have replaced the church, but blind faith is abound.

Blah, blah, blah... we have no faith in anything what so ever, and don't tell me that you think that the less than 10% of Americans that are atheists are the ones who put faith in government to solve their issues with secular society and extremist values.

Atheists are as extreme in their faith as any religious zealot. Look at your rants and your failure to even attempt a defense of your beliefs. Any challenge is met with an emotional diatribe and without any semblance of a rational argument.

I'm bored with the repetition of this thread. Time to move on to something of substance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Holy shit another thousand post anti religion thread coming up!

and you have a problem with this why?

Because instead of dealing with substantive issues, we dance on the heads of pins. It's very easy to demonize pretty much anything, but trying to solve problems? Perish forbid.

I'd rather have YAHCT where people offer reasonable suggestions instead of yelling at each other. Not bloody likely.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You can't lump atheists together as you can do with theists, we have no religion, no faith in anything and each and every one of us are individuals, we have no common goal, no descriptor except "lacks faith in a deity".

Government may have replaced the church, but blind faith is abound.

Blah, blah, blah... we have no faith in anything what so ever, and don't tell me that you think that the less than 10% of Americans that are atheists are the ones who put faith in government to solve their issues with secular society and extremist values.

Atheists are as extreme in their faith as any religious zealot. Look at your rants and your failure to even attempt a defense of your beliefs. Any challenge is met with an emotional diatribe and without any semblance of a rational argument.

I'm bored with the repetition of this thread. Time to move on to something of substance.

Pray tell, what is the faith of atheists?

How can i defend beliefs i do not have?

Rational? Is it rational to think that any group that lacks a belief in something is actually a "group" of people that automatically has to have a belief because of it?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You can't lump atheists together as you can do with theists, we have no religion, no faith in anything and each and every one of us are individuals, we have no common goal, no descriptor except "lacks faith in a deity".

Government may have replaced the church, but blind faith is abound.

If you knew anything about me, you would understand how ridiculous that is.

We got rid of Blair and while Gordon Brown isn't a sane human being, he'll be gone soon too.

Of course, those who put ALL OF their faith into their government aren't known as Brits, they are known as Americans and yeah, when push came to shove you pissed on freedom for temporary safety.

Now tell me, who did that? It was all of them there darned atheistases, right?

You know WHY atheists didn't do that? Because we have no faith in anything what so ever, and don't tell me that you think that the less than 10% of Americans that are atheists are the ones who put faith in government to solve their issues with secular society and extremist values.

While I am also a rabid atheist, I'll be damned if a Brit is going to lecture me about giving up freedom for security. You're country is in the toilet, your government is everywhere, everything is on CCTV, you have KNIFE CONTROL because your citizens can't be trusted with KNIVES by the government... The only upside to being British is maybe the collapse of socialism and the return to a sane society will start there, since you're about 40 years ahead of us on the socialism timeline.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You can't lump atheists together as you can do with theists, we have no religion, no faith in anything and each and every one of us are individuals, we have no common goal, no descriptor except "lacks faith in a deity".

Government may have replaced the church, but blind faith is abound.

If you knew anything about me, you would understand how ridiculous that is.

We got rid of Blair and while Gordon Brown isn't a sane human being, he'll be gone soon too.

Of course, those who put ALL OF their faith into their government aren't known as Brits, they are known as Americans and yeah, when push came to shove you pissed on freedom for temporary safety.

Now tell me, who did that? It was all of them there darned atheistases, right?

You know WHY atheists didn't do that? Because we have no faith in anything what so ever, and don't tell me that you think that the less than 10% of Americans that are atheists are the ones who put faith in government to solve their issues with secular society and extremist values.

While I am also a rabid atheist, I'll be damned if a Brit is going to lecture me about giving up freedom for security. You're country is in the toilet, your government is everywhere, everything is on CCTV, you have KNIFE CONTROL because your citizens can't be trusted with KNIVES by the government... The only upside to being British is maybe the collapse of socialism and the return to a sane society will start there, since you're about 40 years ahead of us on the socialism timeline.

Actually, most of the CCTV's are privately owned, we are like that in the UK, we allow the free market of security to protect peoples private property... Oh wait, so do you. Not only that, you also allow all calls to be monitored without warrants and people being photographed by law officers for no reason what so ever along with imprisoning your own fucking citisens for no fucking reason what so ever.

YES i can lecture you son and until the US shapes the fuck up and gets rid of that procedure so can pretty much every first world nation.

When it comes to weapons control such as knife control i agree with you, that is just ridiculous.

When it comes to gun control, well i agree with that which is probably why you won't find me asking questions about where to carry a gun if i'm jogging in broad daylight, if i felt the need to do that i'd move out of Kabul.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ericlp

I believe this guy hit's the nail right on the head.

I saw him interviewed on TV. He got my attention, and he's absolutely dead on right.

Originally posted by: alchemize

No shit, we should outlaw religion.

I'm guessing you forgot the < sarcasm > < /sarcasm > tags, but no, that's not a good idea, and you know it's not going to happen. AFIC, religion is a bad excuse for philosophy. I see it as just another political power structure based on fear and ignorance, and all you have to do is watch TV to see that's exactly how the religious right wingnuts are using it.

The worst part of it is that, specifically, the religious right wingnuts are doing exactly what you suggest. They're attempting to outlaw anything that doesn't comport to THEIR fantasy of THEIR deity vs. anyone else's fantasy. They raise hate and fear in claiming Obama is Muslim and that he's not an American. They try to assert the alleged superiority of their fantasy over anyone else's beliefs in our public insitutions such as schools. They want to outlaw peaceful gays from marrying.

The list of their aggression is endless, and it's all so contradictory to the underlying ethical and moral values actually contained in their own "sacred" texts, the same basic values and principles found in the teachings of almost all religions and instilled in our non-religious civil laws.

Among those values is that any group should be allowed to pursue its beliefs and practice its religion without interference from others. We shouldn't, we can't and we won't outlaw them or interfere with their practices... as long as they afford others the same right to believe other than as they do.

Those who cannot do unto others as they would have others do unto them are hypcrites who betray what they claim to believe, and they are proof that their own beliefs are false.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Atheists have the strongest belief system of all.

Bahahahaha. Whatever you say.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Holy shit another thousand post anti religion thread coming up!

and you have a problem with this why?

Because instead of dealing with substantive issues, we dance on the heads of pins. It's very easy to demonize pretty much anything, but trying to solve problems? Perish forbid.

I'd rather have YAHCT where people offer reasonable suggestions instead of yelling at each other. Not bloody likely.

I don't know about the rest of people, but I don't spend the majority of my time bashing religion. Just in a passing moment of boredom or desire for personal amusement. I'm sure that us atheists just sit around and piss and moan about it 20/7 though, you're probably right.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Atheists have the strongest belief system of all.

Bahahahaha. Whatever you say.

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

 

[jackschmittusa]

PJABBER

Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to keep hearing crap like "Atheists have the strongest belief system of all"?

I now claim that you have a strong faith that unicorns do not exist. You have neither the ability nor the resources to prove that they do not exist, but you are steadfast in your beliefs none-the-less.

Maybe Leprechauns are part of your strong non-existence beliefs too. And everybody that doesn't believe in them is of the same stereotype as well.

Faith is an activity. My non-belief in any gods is not. I had simply concluded long ago that there is no evidence to support a god concept, and I left it beside the road. It is unnecessary to reconsider it, contemplate it, promote, or defend it.

 

[Shallok]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

A theist has belief in god(s). An atheist does not. The absence of belief is not faith and does not need proof.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Atheists have the strongest belief system of all.

Bahahahaha. Whatever you say.

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

Damn, another person telling me that I have faith in something, where there is none.

Where do you people get off telling others what they believe in or don't believe in? Does it make you feel better about your own shaky world view?

 

[spittledip]

Jeez, you guys whine a whole lot about atheism not being faith. Who cares? Why do you take it so personally?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

You can't demand that those of us who consider ourselves to be atheists must prove a negative with the existence of non-evidence of a non existent entity.

You're welcome to choose your own label for yourself. You don't have that option with respect to others. To put it another way, I'm an atheist. Prove I'm not.

Originally posted by: spittledip

Jeez, you guys whine a whole lot about atheism not being faith. Who cares? Why do you take it so personally?

It's the other way around. Theists keep insisting we are something we are not and get their theological panties in a wad when we tell them they're full of shit. Why do you care?

 

[DealMonkey]

I'm really mystified why a general rejection of religion and perhaps a belief that religion is just inherently silly, is now being equated with being anti-religious. That doesn't really jibe well with any sort of logical reality.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JKing106

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

You can't demand that those of us who consider ourselves to be atheists must prove a negative with the existence of non-evidence of a non existent entity.

You're welcome to choose your own label for yourself. You don't have that option with respect to others. To put it another way, I'm an atheist. Prove I'm not.

Originally posted by: spittledip

Jeez, you guys whine a whole lot about atheism not being faith. Who cares? Why do you take it so personally?

It's the other way around. Theists keep insisting we are something we are not and get their theological panties in a wad when we tell them they're full of shit. Why do you care?

I don't care, I just find it funny that you all take it so personally and get so upset over nothing.

 

[Underclocked]

I think if all the peoples of the world adopted ONE rule of conduct, the world would certainly be a much better place. It's sometimes called the "Golden Rule" and I think it would hold true for everyone with the possible exception of masochists.

Whether there is or is not a God or gods is a question that nobody can truly answer with certainty, at least not outside the quirks of their own minds. I personally think not but cannot be sure.

After all - regardless of your faith, non-faith, or wacked out perception of that - you can actually do no better than to abide by that rule. It covers everything.

Of course legal minds would require 10,000 pages of fine text to outline what it covers.

 

[LunarRay]

Are there any Atheists here who have faith that something is true without proof that it is? Remember that Faith is simply a belief that something is true with out proof. EDIT: I believe that my grandson is home at the moment. I don't see him nor do I have any physical proof that he is, but, he said he was going home and I BELIEVE him.

Faith can be that something is NOT true as well. All you need to have is the condition that something is or is not true and the absence of conclusive proof as to that situation.

There are sometimes subjective aspects tossed in... like... Evidence that assures beyond a reasonable doubt. Or the absence of such evidence. In either case the hurdle has been achieved. As in: There is no God! No one can say with certainty (with infinity as the criteria or any lessor time period) that God does not exist, however, one can say that they believe beyond any reasonable doubt that God does not exist. Or Conversely, that God exists. The key term in that is 'believe'... One cannot reasonably say, "I know god does not exist. It is a fact that there is no God" They are not reasonable because they assume what they know to be true today is all that can be true forever. So the statement, "God does not exist" is based on the limits of their conscious deduction and not a universal truth which in and of it self is not truth that cannot change... Therefore, they believe it to be truth based on their deductive reasoning.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm really mystified why a general rejection of religion and perhaps a belief that religion is just inherently silly, is now being equated with being anti-religious. That doesn't really jibe well with any sort of logical reality.

You didn't find the OP anti-religious?

Originally posted by: ericlp
Religion is this countries down fall.... I dunno how you control a religious group that is still powerful and will start doing crazy things when they continue to lose power. It will be interesting to see how our own government will react to this problem.

I did, and I agree we should go ahead and outlaw religion in this country.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Obama as another Hitler, the man, is an interesting concept. Both achieved unlikely political power as a result of domestic economic turmoil and in the aftermath of war. Both came from political perspectives that see government as a solution and not a problem. Both had troubled childhoods which caused them to have great inner conflict and ultimately an expression of action beyond what might be expected and against the perceived cause of that childhood trauma, but that is a characteristic of all charismatic leaders, ie Napoleon, Stalin, etc. Hitler was a creature of the Right, while Obama is of the Left, but I believe the extremes are mirror images. It is still early, isn't it, to reach a definitive conclusion?

Your extrapolation could apply to any young president including Clinton, JFK, et al. The childhood comparison is especially insulting to anyone who has read about Hitler's tortured upbringing from the abuse of his father to his genitalia being mutilated. Keep the crazy in a tin can and find a blog where people might care because at this point you're just short of the nutbags in my sig.

Originally posted by: PJABBER
Quite a few arguments here about atheism but I wonder if it can be called a "non-belief."

After all, you are professing a belief that there is no God. And that is made as a statement of certainty. If you are certain, then you should be able to provide proof beyond doubt. If you cannot prove that claim then it is just a faith-based statement.

Which leaves the door open to any belief including giant silver gorillas that keep the sun running with the tears of unicorns. The sane and educated will continue to believe in evolution over religious dogmatism.

 

[Grunt03]

Wow, this is actually funny, where was all of the excitement when the Church did something wrong?

I would agree that the church has power and they need to be put in check......

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Underclocked
I think if all the peoples of the world adopted ONE rule of conduct, the world would certainly be a much better place. It's sometimes called the "Golden Rule" and I think it would hold true for everyone with the possible exception of masochists.

Whether there is or is not a God or gods is a question that nobody can truly answer with certainty, at least not outside the quirks of their own minds. I personally think not but cannot be sure.

After all - regardless of your faith, non-faith, or wacked out perception of that - you can actually do no better than to abide by that rule. It covers everything.

Of course legal minds would require 10,000 pages of fine text to outline what it covers.

What's the point of the Golden Rule if life is without meaning?

 

[Underclocked]

Did I say that life is without meaning? I would think believing it is the ONLY life you (or anyone else) will ever have should be meaning enough.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Atreus21

"What's the point of the Golden Rule if life is without meaning?"

Swing and a miss!

Common sense says that if everybody treated everybody else with the same respect they desire for themselves, we'd all be better off.

Besides, "life without meaning" is completely subjective. There are those of us that do not need a god system to give meaning to our lives. We create it as we live.