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[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

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[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JKing106

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

You can't demand that those of us who consider ourselves to be atheists must prove a negative with the existence of non-evidence of a non existent entity.

You're welcome to choose your own label for yourself. You don't have that option with respect to others. To put it another way, I'm an atheist. Prove I'm not.

Originally posted by: spittledip

Jeez, you guys whine a whole lot about atheism not being faith. Who cares? Why do you take it so personally?

It's the other way around. Theists keep insisting we are something we are not and get their theological panties in a wad when we tell them they're full of shit. Why do you care?

I disagree, Atheists may have the strongest, soundest faith of all. Faith in facts. Faith in proof.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

African or European?

11 or so meters per second?

Sometimes the reality of the question zooms far, far above... hehehehhehehe

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

More than twice that of a Redwood tree.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

More than twice that of a Redwood tree.

Heheheh Moonbeam would have said "In your case, Dahunan, 100%"

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JKing106

Atheists believe that no gods exists with no proof of that theory. That's faith. The same as believers have no proof.

I'm 99% sure there are no gods, but I can't prove it. There, I claim to be an agnostic.

You can't demand that those of us who consider ourselves to be atheists must prove a negative with the existence of non-evidence of a non existent entity.

You're welcome to choose your own label for yourself. You don't have that option with respect to others. To put it another way, I'm an atheist. Prove I'm not.

Originally posted by: spittledip

Jeez, you guys whine a whole lot about atheism not being faith. Who cares? Why do you take it so personally?

It's the other way around. Theists keep insisting we are something we are not and get their theological panties in a wad when we tell them they're full of shit. Why do you care?

I disagree, Atheists may have the strongest, soundest faith of all. Faith in facts. Faith in proof.

We can agree to disagree. Faith in facts (as we know them today) faith in proof (as they see it). Assuming we have enough scientific evidence to prove or disprove in this context is terribly arrogant. Remember - the most brilliant minds at the time though the world was flat...based on evidence (at the time). In the scheme of things, man doesnt know jack shit. Theres a saying Ive heard in the scientific community - the more we know, the more we realize we dont know.

Also, some things are true whether you belive them or not

 

[StageLeft]

I love it when people say religion is destroying the world and such, it's great stuff. Was it behind the largest massacres of the 20th century? Ones responsible for the death of millions? Was Hitler a Christian? Was Stalin a Buddhist? Was Pol Pot a Muslim? Get a clue, find a better scape goat. Intolerance and arrogance at the greatest forces of destruction to humanity, as preached by people who say with such absolutes how religion is an injurious force.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I love it when people say religion is destroying the world and such, it's great stuff. Was it behind the largest massacres of the 20th century? Ones responsible for the death of millions? Was Hitler a Christian? Was Stalin a Buddhist? Was Pol Pot a Muslim? Get a clue, find a better scape goat. Intolerance and arrogance at the greatest forces of destruction to humanity, as preached by people who say with such absolutes how religion is an injurious force.

Intolerance
Arrogance

^^^ Equals most religions...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

More than twice that of a Redwood tree.

Heheheh Moonbeam would have said "In your case, Dahunan, 100%"

Then I would be just like him and he like me?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: dahunan
What percentage of our DNA is identical to that of a Chimpanzee?

More than twice that of a Redwood tree.

Heheheh Moonbeam would have said "In your case, Dahunan, 100%"

Then I would be just like him and he like me?

I have no doubt, based on the available evidence, that Moonbeam has all the requisite qualifications of the Chimp and then some. To what extent 'ya have to be one to know one' fits into the analysis I'm not sure. I'm sure, however, that Moonbeam would love to have you under the umbrella of his illumination... :moon:

 

[Moonbeam]

The only thing that would fit under the umbrella of my illumination, maybe, would be a cup cake.

From what I understand, in any psychometric you care to examine, people of religious faith are better off than atheists. That fact alone, if it is a fact and I think it is, and it has nothing at all to do with whether God really exists, makes me question why people attack the religious.

Why would the less vigorous, the less healthy, the less mentally adjusted, the less long lived, the less socially integrated, criticize their superiors? Is it that they are just assholes and fucking jealous?

What bothers me is that I have done this and I can't answer this question.

Why are folk intolerant of other people's beliefs?

I look at Evangelicals like they were leapers, disgusting Republican swine. I know that what it is is that they remind me of myself, those stupid bastards believe in shit, they are stupid and mentally inferior, just like we were all taught to feel, but I have not been to the bottom of the well and consciously uprooted all that I feel so I cannot actually say. I am a bigot, I can see that, but I can't see why. I am blind and it's damned annoying.

But what I do know is that when you think what you believe is superior it's an absolute sure sign that you feel inferior.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The only thing that would fit under the umbrella of my illumination, maybe, would be a cup cake.

From what I understand, in any psychometric you care to examine, people of religious faith are better off than atheists. That fact alone, if it is a fact and I think it is, and it has nothing at all to do with whether God really exists, makes me question why people attack the religious.

Why would the less vigorous, the less healthy, the less mentally adjusted, the less long lived, the less socially integrated, criticize their superiors? Is it that they are just assholes and fucking jealous?

What bothers me is that I have done this and I can't answer this question.

Why are folk intolerant of other people's beliefs?

I look at Evangelicals like they were leapers, disgusting Republican swine. I know that what it is is that they remind me of myself, those stupid bastards believe in shit, they are stupid and mentally inferior, just like we were all taught to feel, but I have not been to the bottom of the well and consciously uprooted all that I feel so I cannot actually say. I am a bigot, I can see that, but I can't see why. I am blind and it's damned annoying.

But what I do know is that when you think what you believe is superior it's an absolute sure sign that you feel inferior.

I was listening to Jim Hansen last night and Roy Spencer and one of the things I noticed (aside from their scientific stuff) was the amount of time they devote thinking about their science. It is like every moment they are awake they gnaw on the bone. Many folks are like that who are into science and new stuff... they have to solve the puzzle. The mind is oriented to doing that, I think. So it is no coincidence that the Folks into religion have better life stuff... to them the puzzle is solved!

EDIT: Spencer, I think, is in the Intellegent design camp and don't seem to get too flustered over anything.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The only thing that would fit under the umbrella of my illumination, maybe, would be a cup cake.

From what I understand, in any psychometric you care to examine, people of religious faith are better off than atheists. That fact alone, if it is a fact and I think it is, and it has nothing at all to do with whether God really exists, makes me question why people attack the religious.

Why would the less vigorous, the less healthy, the less mentally adjusted, the less long lived, the less socially integrated, criticize their superiors? Is it that they are just assholes and fucking jealous?

What bothers me is that I have done this and I can't answer this question.

Why are folk intolerant of other people's beliefs?

I look at Evangelicals like they were leapers, disgusting Republican swine. I know that what it is is that they remind me of myself, those stupid bastards believe in shit, they are stupid and mentally inferior, just like we were all taught to feel, but I have not been to the bottom of the well and consciously uprooted all that I feel so I cannot actually say. I am a bigot, I can see that, but I can't see why. I am blind and it's damned annoying.

But what I do know is that when you think what you believe is superior it's an absolute sure sign that you feel inferior.

I was listening to Jim Hansen last night and Roy Spencer and one of the things I noticed (aside from their scientific stuff) was the amount of time they devote thinking about their science. It is like every moment they are awake they gnaw on the bone. Many folks are like that who are into science and new stuff... they have to solve the puzzle. The mind is oriented to doing that, I think. So it is no coincidence that the Folks into religion have better life stuff... to them the puzzle is solved!

EDIT: Spencer, I think, is in the Intellegent design camp and don't seem to get too flustered over anything.

Hehe, I remember a good Christian friend of my looking at me in amazement because I had to walk down this dark road at night to find out what was causing a spot of red glow.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Are there any Atheists here who have faith that something is true without proof that it is? Remember that Faith is simply a belief that something is true with out proof. EDIT: I believe that my grandson is home at the moment. I don't see him nor do I have any physical proof that he is, but, he said he was going home and I BELIEVE him.

Faith can be that something is NOT true as well. All you need to have is the condition that something is or is not true and the absence of conclusive proof as to that situation.

There are sometimes subjective aspects tossed in... like... Evidence that assures beyond a reasonable doubt. Or the absence of such evidence. In either case the hurdle has been achieved. As in: There is no God! No one can say with certainty (with infinity as the criteria or any lessor time period) that God does not exist, however, one can say that they believe beyond any reasonable doubt that God does not exist. Or Conversely, that God exists. The key term in that is 'believe'... One cannot reasonably say, "I know god does not exist. It is a fact that there is no God" They are not reasonable because they assume what they know to be true today is all that can be true forever. So the statement, "God does not exist" is based on the limits of their conscious deduction and not a universal truth which in and of it self is not truth that cannot change... Therefore, they believe it to be truth based on their deductive reasoning.

Err, what? Are you retarded?

You ASSUME he is home. You don't have FAITH in the fact that he is home.

You've calculated the likely odds that he is home and you've made an educated guess.

Learn to dictionary.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Are there any Atheists here who have faith that something is true without proof that it is? Remember that Faith is simply a belief that something is true with out proof. EDIT: I believe that my grandson is home at the moment. I don't see him nor do I have any physical proof that he is, but, he said he was going home and I BELIEVE him.

Faith can be that something is NOT true as well. All you need to have is the condition that something is or is not true and the absence of conclusive proof as to that situation.

There are sometimes subjective aspects tossed in... like... Evidence that assures beyond a reasonable doubt. Or the absence of such evidence. In either case the hurdle has been achieved. As in: There is no God! No one can say with certainty (with infinity as the criteria or any lessor time period) that God does not exist, however, one can say that they believe beyond any reasonable doubt that God does not exist. Or Conversely, that God exists. The key term in that is 'believe'... One cannot reasonably say, "I know god does not exist. It is a fact that there is no God" They are not reasonable because they assume what they know to be true today is all that can be true forever. So the statement, "God does not exist" is based on the limits of their conscious deduction and not a universal truth which in and of it self is not truth that cannot change... Therefore, they believe it to be truth based on their deductive reasoning.

Err, what? Are you retarded?

You ASSUME he is home. You don't have FAITH in the fact that he is home.

You've calculated the likely odds that he is home and you've made an educated guess.

Learn to dictionary.

"Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence." Informal usage of the word "faith" can be quite broad, and may be used in place of "trust" or "belief."

Faith is often used in a religious context, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and/or said being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things.

Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true. It is the belief and the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, based on his or her authority and truthfulness.

The English word faith is dated from 1200?50, from the Latin fidem, or fides, meaning trust, akin to fidere, which means to trust"

I trust that the above is pretty much a reasonable definition. It may not be what you understand but I have faith that you'll be edified in this case.

BTW, if you find the above useful kindly pass along to others so inclined to opine as you have.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

jabber cites glen beck as a reference, jabber loses all credibility in this argument and any future arguments until the internet dies.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

"Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence." Informal usage of the word "faith" can be quite broad, and may be used in place of "trust" or "belief."

Faith is often used in a religious context, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and/or said being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things.

Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true. It is the belief and the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, based on his or her authority and truthfulness.

The English word faith is dated from 1200?50, from the Latin fidem, or fides, meaning trust, akin to fidere, which means to trust"

I trust that the above is pretty much a reasonable definition. It may not be what you understand but I have faith that you'll be edified in this case.

BTW, if you find the above useful kindly pass along to others so inclined to opine as you have.

[/quote]

As a person who generally finds himself hard pressed to garner even a portion of the content I suspect is concealed in many of your posts, and concealed at least from the perhaps meager resources I can bring to bare for such unearthing, I think what I see so far is this:

It would seem that from the dictionary definition you supplied that if you trust your Grandson, which I presume from what was said above that you do, them, if he says he will be home at a particular time and and it is now after that hour but you have not actually seen him, ensconced as you doubtless are in some little spider-hole appurtenance attached to your larger home web, and feeding on Lord knows what frozen TV dinner, then it IS in fact dictionary-definitionally tight to say that you have faith he's somewhere else on the web.

However, when it comes to your faith that our most dear RocksteadyDotageNet will become edified in this case, I must say I have my doubts. Those who are steady as a rock in their commitment to feeble-mindedness not only are fished up in a net, but are often not edified but webbified.

 

[piasabird]

Religion is freedom. If you are against religion you are against freedom. Are you communists?

I see a lot more intimidation from left-wing hate groups.

 

[LunarRay]

Moonbeam somehow said:

As a person who generally finds himself hard pressed to garner even a portion of the content I suspect is concealed in many of your posts, and concealed at least from the perhaps meager resources I can bring to bare for such unearthing, I think what I see so far is this:

It would seem that from the dictionary definition you supplied that if you trust your Grandson, which I presume from what was said above that you do, them, if he says he will be home at a particular time and and it is now after that hour but you have not actually seen him, ensconced as you doubtless are in some little spider-hole appurtenance attached to your larger home web, and feeding on Lord knows what frozen TV dinner, then it IS in fact dictionary-definitionally tight to say that you have faith he's somewhere else on the web.

However, when it comes to your faith that our most dear RocksteadyDotageNet will become edified in this case, I must say I have my doubts. Those who are steady as a rock in their commitment to feeble-mindedness not only are fished up in a net, but are often not edified but webbified.

Heheheehe, writing of any kind but especially poetry is alot like a recipe. At times simple rhymes and metaphor with subtle hints disguised in analogy mixed in with the garnish of ripe pickles. It is the author who cooks the meal and savors the scent while the reader may dine or gulp or even destroy the fare with a need to sate with unnecessary spice. For you, however, Moonbeam, I'd fix an especially elaborate feast! My very finest TV dinner selection topped with a bottle of Pepsi with a milk chaser.

He, my grandson, would be where he said he would be, I trust. I have no reason to not believe him. I need not see him or hear him to know he is where he said he'd be. I have faith in his word.

Rocksteady,etc. saw a saddle but not to what it was attached, I think. I don't often see alligators with saddles upon their low slung bodies but every twice in awhile I see bits of riders strewn about. Not sure there is a nexus to the bits and the alligators nor even if the riding might be a prelude to the 'bitification'. What I do think I know, however, is the absence of spice does not detract from a meal in the mind of an alligator.

 

[Moonbeam]

LR: Rocksteady,etc. saw a saddle but not to what it was attached, I think. I don't often see alligators with saddles upon their low slung bodies but every twice in awhile I see bits of riders strewn about. Not sure there is a nexus to the bits and the alligators nor even if the riding might be a prelude to the 'bitification'. What I do think I know, however, is the absence of spice does not detract from a meal in the mind of an alligator.

Poor Crocksteady, he pursed his lips to grin at you and wound up, voilà, a saddlebag made from genuine alligator leather.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I love it when people say religion is destroying the world and such, it's great stuff. Was it behind the largest massacres of the 20th century? Ones responsible for the death of millions? Was Hitler a Christian? Was Stalin a Buddhist? Was Pol Pot a Muslim? Get a clue, find a better scape goat. Intolerance and arrogance at the greatest forces of destruction to humanity, as preached by people who say with such absolutes how religion is an injurious force.

Htler was a Catholic, Stalin built the national Church, Pol Pot was a spirtual leader.

Does it matter? Not really, the problem is that religious ideas ARE inherently more dangerous because even if you have to go through hell and die in this life, those ideas promise you paradise in the next so some morons, such as yourself, believe that sheit and then this life does not matter much, does it?

If you still don't get it, i can't help you at all, it's only the fifth time i have spelled it out for your dumb arse.

 

[LunarRay]

The difference to many folks between a Speedboat and a Sailboat is: When you go down to the dock and board the Speedboat you zoom off in search of your objective. When you board a Sailboat you are at your objective. A 'True' belief in God is like the Sailboat. You need not even pull away from the dock.
The sea is like the challenges of life. It will look down upon both the speed and sail boats and chuckle, "you've met your match in me". Not often will the speedboat seek to accept the challenge proffered and if it does not long will it survive. The sailboat is configured differently with the tools to prevail but it takes good seamanship and a sturdy boat to smile up at the sea and proclaim, "I've weathered the wind and tumultuous sea but yet you continue on, refusing to let me be" "I'll push on till someday the fragility of my body renders me less than thee but then you've still not won for I'll simply cease to be a boat upon a relentless sea" "I'll be free"!

 

[imported_inspire]

Ah cool - I was wondering when someone was going to post this week's "AGNOSTICS VS. RELIGIOUS BBQ!!" thread. And here I thought you guys were slipping....

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: inspire
Ah cool - I was wondering when someone was going to post this week's "AGNOSTICS VS. RELIGIOUS BBQ!!" thread. And here I thought you guys were slipping....

Well, what else can you debate with out fear of losing regardless of which side you take?