Originally posted by: CKent
Not watching.. I can watch people getting horrifically injured no problem, not dogs though.
Originally posted by: CKent
Not watching.. I can watch people getting horrifically injured no problem, not dogs though.
Originally posted by: mooncancook
look fictional.
Originally posted by: clickynext
Originally posted by: mooncancook
look fictional.
Yeah, I don't know about the dog head....
Originally posted by: PottedMeat
Is it this one: Internet Archive: Experiments in the Revival of Organisms
Theres a high res one there.
"Modern medical authorities reject this film outright for many of the above noted inconsistencies.
1. A heart requires a 'pacemaker', in the form of nerves from the brain. It will not last for any length of time severed from this link. The heart also will not restart spontaneously just because oxygenated blood is flowing. Cardiac muscle scars very easily when oxygen is limited, thus the high incidence of heart attacks in humans.
2. Irreversible brain death takes mere minutes to occur at room temperature. Even accounting for the relative simplicity of a canine brain, it is not likely that revival would be possible after ten minutes of clinical death without severe negative effects to the animal's central nervous system
3. The heart-lung machine described would not operate at anywhere near the capacity required for a large organism, such as the example dog. The 'lung' was far too small and could not have sustained a useful oxygenation rate. The two pumps replacing the heart were also inadequate for the task. A modern heart-lung machine is much larger for these reasons.
It is not likely that this film represents serious scientific research, rather Soviet propaganda. Perhaps the Soviets did research in this area but technology (and understanding) was not adequate for the research to be successful.
All these points aside, however, the film does do a reasonable job at describing how a basic heart-lung machine would function."
Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
This is horrific.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Experiment1940.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms
"Modern medical authorities reject this film outright for many of the above noted inconsistencies.
1. A heart requires a 'pacemaker', in the form of nerves from the brain. It will not last for any length of time severed from this link. The heart also will not restart spontaneously just because oxygenated blood is flowing. Cardiac muscle scars very easily when oxygen is limited, thus the high incidence of heart attacks in humans.
2. Irreversible brain death takes mere minutes to occur at room temperature. Even accounting for the relative simplicity of a canine brain, it is not likely that revival would be possible after ten minutes of clinical death without severe negative effects to the animal's central nervous system
3. The heart-lung machine described would not operate at anywhere near the capacity required for a large organism, such as the example dog. The 'lung' was far too small and could not have sustained a useful oxygenation rate. The two pumps replacing the heart were also inadequate for the task. A modern heart-lung machine is much larger for these reasons.
It is not likely that this film represents serious scientific research, rather Soviet propaganda. Perhaps the Soviets did research in this area but technology (and understanding) was not adequate for the research to be successful.
All these points aside, however, the film does do a reasonable job at describing how a basic heart-lung machine would function."
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
This is horrific.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Experiment1940.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms
"Modern medical authorities reject this film outright for many of the above noted inconsistencies.
1. A heart requires a 'pacemaker', in the form of nerves from the brain. It will not last for any length of time severed from this link. The heart also will not restart spontaneously just because oxygenated blood is flowing. Cardiac muscle scars very easily when oxygen is limited, thus the high incidence of heart attacks in humans.
2. Irreversible brain death takes mere minutes to occur at room temperature. Even accounting for the relative simplicity of a canine brain, it is not likely that revival would be possible after ten minutes of clinical death without severe negative effects to the animal's central nervous system
3. The heart-lung machine described would not operate at anywhere near the capacity required for a large organism, such as the example dog. The 'lung' was far too small and could not have sustained a useful oxygenation rate. The two pumps replacing the heart were also inadequate for the task. A modern heart-lung machine is much larger for these reasons.
It is not likely that this film represents serious scientific research, rather Soviet propaganda. Perhaps the Soviets did research in this area but technology (and understanding) was not adequate for the research to be successful.
All these points aside, however, the film does do a reasonable job at describing how a basic heart-lung machine would function."
That is false. A heart can function outside of a connection to the brain.
Originally posted by: sniperruff
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
This is horrific.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Experiment1940.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms
"Modern medical authorities reject this film outright for many of the above noted inconsistencies.
1. A heart requires a 'pacemaker', in the form of nerves from the brain. It will not last for any length of time severed from this link. The heart also will not restart spontaneously just because oxygenated blood is flowing. Cardiac muscle scars very easily when oxygen is limited, thus the high incidence of heart attacks in humans.
2. Irreversible brain death takes mere minutes to occur at room temperature. Even accounting for the relative simplicity of a canine brain, it is not likely that revival would be possible after ten minutes of clinical death without severe negative effects to the animal's central nervous system
3. The heart-lung machine described would not operate at anywhere near the capacity required for a large organism, such as the example dog. The 'lung' was far too small and could not have sustained a useful oxygenation rate. The two pumps replacing the heart were also inadequate for the task. A modern heart-lung machine is much larger for these reasons.
It is not likely that this film represents serious scientific research, rather Soviet propaganda. Perhaps the Soviets did research in this area but technology (and understanding) was not adequate for the research to be successful.
All these points aside, however, the film does do a reasonable job at describing how a basic heart-lung machine would function."
That is false. A heart can function outside of a connection to the brain.
you'd need an electrical impluse to stimulate the heart to get it to beat in rhythm, or just beat IIRC.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I wonder how much of that is factual? I thought brain damage occurs after a minute or two? They left it there for 10 minutes and it fully recovered?
Also, if this machine works as easily as that, why do you see doctors fighting to revive a patient's heart when he can simply hook the person up to this machine and keep them alive? Then he could take his time reviving the person's heartbeat.