"Creation science ... should be incorporated into every Biology book" in Texas

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Students in Texas will soon be reading biology textbooks that teach creationism if some of the state’s textbook review panelists have their way.
Documents recently obtained by the nonprofit civil liberties group Texas Freedom Network (TFN) show that several members of the state’s biology textbook review panel recommended that textbook publishers add sections about creationism, and remove information about climate change and evolution. Whether or not the publishers choose to make said recommendations could help determine if those textbooks are on a list of “approved” books for school districts.
In Texas, boards of textbook review panelists are selected by the State Board of Education (SBOE) after a round of nominations. The panelists are tasked with reviewing textbooks for potential use in public school classrooms. After the Texas Education Agency, which is overseen by the board, negotiates with publishers over the panelists’ proposed textbook changes, the panelists’ recommendations are presented to the board. The board has ultimate approval over the books.
The biology textbook panelists critiqued 15 textbooks from major publishers such as Houghton Mifflin Harcourt and Pearson. Panelist Karen Beathard, who works in the Department of Nutrition and Food Science at Texas A&M University, critiqued the lack of creationism reflected in the textbooks.
“I understand the National Academy of Science's strong support of the theory of evolution. At the same time, [evolution] is a theory,” wrote Beathard, according to documents obtained from the Texas Freedom Network. “As an educator, parent, and grandparent, I feel very firmly that ‘creation science’ based on Biblical principles should be incorporated into every Biology book that is up for adoption
Beathard declined to comment further when reached by The Huffington Post.
Other critiques came from Raymond Bohlin, who has a Ph.D. in molecular and cell biology, and is currently a fellow at a pro-creationism think tank, the Discovery Institute. He recommended that the publisher of one biology textbook being reviewed, Pearson/Prentice Hall, look to the book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design for help with revisions.
As noted by TFN, “in 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Edwards v. Aguillard that teaching creationism in public school science classrooms is unconstitutional.”
In an interview with The Huffington Post, Bohlin clarified that he was not necessarily trying to get creationism inserted into school reading, but rather open the door for more analytical textbooks.
“When it came to particular topics [the textbooks] didn’t analyze, they didn’t evaluate … They [just said] this is the way it is, end of discussion,” Bohlin said over the phone. “I’m just looking for evolution to be presented honestly and not be given a materialistic slant that’s not warranted by the evidence.”
Bohlin and Beathard were not the only panelists with apparent creationist leanings. A Huffington Post article in August found that four of the roughly 12 panelists who went to Austin that month for the final round of reviews had previously expressed beliefs in creationism. Panelists do not necessarily have to have a background in science, despite the fact that they are tasked with reviewing biology textbooks.
“I know a lot of people who are professors and teachers [who were nominated], but somehow there was more room for creationists because [state education] board members have been able to say ‘I want these people,’” Josh Rosenau, the programs and policy director for the National Center for Science Education, told The Huffington Post in August.
This is the first time in 10 years that Texas has adopted new biology textbooks, Rosenau told The Huffington Post over the phone. The books selected are approved for at least the next eight years and will be in classrooms starting in the 2014-2015 school year, according to the Texas Education Agency. While Texas schools previously could use only books approved by the state board, local school boards now have the option of buying books not on the state’s official list.
Still, Rosenau said this week that if he was a textbook publisher, “I would rather be on an approved list, all else being equal.”
While the Texas Freedom Network attempted to obtain publishers’ responses to the panelist’s recommendations through the Texas Education Agency, its requests were denied.
Neither Houghton Mifflin nor Pearson got back to The Huffington Post by press time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/texas-creationism-textbooks_n_3902946.html

If anybody isn't aware, this is significant because the purchasing power of the Texas State Board of Education strongly influences which textbooks are published and available to other states around the country. If a state wants a different text than has been approved in Texas, the increased cost is significant.

Quite frankly, I would hope that any critical thinker could recognize the scientific failure of so-called "creation science" from the fact that it has to be specifically inserted into textbooks by an elected board of non-scientists.
 

Murloc

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If a state wants a different text than has been approved in Texas, the increased cost is significant.
I think the cost would be higher, but I don't think the increase would be significant for the average US state, and a publisher will jump in and make differentiated editions if it means avoiding to lose millions of sales because somebody else complies.

The swiss confederation is smaller in population than many US states, but we have books for each linguistic region for those subjects that need books but where it's impossible to use german/italian/french books because of their content (e.g. they lack swiss history, feature the wrong version of standard german etc.).
 

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I think the cost would be higher, but I don't think the increase would be significant for the average US state, and a publisher will jump in and make differentiated editions if it means avoiding to lose millions of sales because somebody else complies.

The swiss confederation is smaller in population than many US states, but we have books for each linguistic region for those subjects that need books but where it's impossible to use german/italian/french books because of their content (e.g. they lack swiss history, feature the wrong version of standard german etc.).

Nope. Texas has a huge influence on the entire education system simply because they order a large number of books. So, whatever Texas wants, the rest of the nation ends up getting. There aren't multiple editions that are made.
 

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Nope. Texas has a huge influence on the entire education system simply because they order a large number of books. So, whatever Texas wants, the rest of the nation ends up getting. There aren't multiple editions that are made.

Do they have a huge influence on major book publishers though? I'm sure Texas or any large buyer could sway some crazy batshit crazy book publisher but a serious publisher would probably not want to run with this.
 

smackababy

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Do they have a huge influence on major book publishers though? I'm sure Texas or any large buyer could sway some crazy batshit crazy book publisher but a serious publisher would probably not want to run with this.

Yes, major publishers. I don't think there are 'fringe' publishers for school textbooks; at least, not ones allowed in public schools.
 

boomerang

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I've always found it laughable that when progz are faced with something they don't agree with, they play the money card. When faced with something they do agree with, cost is no barrier.

Notwithstanding that, I see no evidence presented that Texas textbooks drive what the rest of the nation's schoolchildren will use. Sounds like hearsay.
 

smackababy

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Texas has 4.8million textbook reading children plus wealthy donors willing to spend to put nonsense like creationism in them. They have a big influence.

Texas has used it's power quite a number of times in the textbook debate. Just google 'Texas textbook controversy', this isn't the first time they've tried this and it wouldn't be the first time they've succeeded.


The root problem isn't Texas is full of wealthy crazies so much as it is that school material is a for profit business. Publishers will lean towards what is better for their business rather than what is better for education.
 

Murloc

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Nope. Texas has a huge influence on the entire education system simply because they order a large number of books. So, whatever Texas wants, the rest of the nation ends up getting. There aren't multiple editions that are made.
is there any obstacle to a state declaring that books containing creationism are not allowed in their schools and buying british or canadian biology books?

Biology is the same anywhere in the world.

My understanding is that federalism gives autonomy to the states over schooling, and that capitalism will create an offer answering the demand of the school districts of the states who don't want creationism in their books and gang up to define the content.
If not, the state can create the books and do a public tender to get them printed.

It's just a matter of how important it is to the other states.
 

dawp

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I'm of the opinion let them buy them, once they have spent the money sue on constitutional grounds, separation of church and state. too bad everyone will suffer because of their boneheadedness. selling to other states is becoming less of an issue as it's becoming easier to customize books for a particular market.
 

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Creationism and "intelligent design" are both philosophical topics. I'm fine with them being taught in conjunction with other theories in philosophy classes.

Neither one of them are supported by science, though, so they do not belong in the science text book or class room.
 

smackababy

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is there any obstacle to a state declaring that books containing creationism are not allowed in their schools and buying british or canadian biology books?

Biology is the same anywhere in the world.

My understanding is that federalism gives autonomy to the states over schooling, and that capitalism will create an offer answering the demand of the school districts of the states who don't want creationism in their books and gang up to define the content.
If not, the state can create the books and do a public tender to get them printed.

It's just a matter of how important it is to the other states.

Nothing is stopping them from buying any books, they just have to meet the state requirements. The costs of books from the UK or Canada, however, would more than likely be much higher. Plus, those students would have to learn the metric system, and that is much too hard for the average dumb America. A system based on 10s that can be easily converted? Way too complicated to remember silly latin prefixes. Much easier to remember how many ounces are in a quart and how many of those are in a gallon.
 

woolfe9998

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Does't putting creationism into public school text books present a Constitutional problem?
 
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Nothing is stopping them from buying any books, they just have to meet the state requirements. The costs of books from the UK or Canada, however, would more than likely be much higher. Plus, those students would have to learn the metric system, and that is much too hard for the average dumb America. A system based on 10s that can be easily converted? Way too complicated to remember silly latin prefixes. Much easier to remember how many ounces are in a quart and how many of those are in a gallon.

What science class is teaching things in the imperial system? I remember there were a handful of textbook problems that you'd have to answer in feet or pounds, but for the most part, everything was in SI units.
 

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They taught freshman mechanics at my local university using links, rods, chains, pound-force, etc.. Came in useful when I put my lawn in. I measured out the length of grass in chains and reverse engineered it to 1.5 acres using furlongs.
 
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They taught freshman mechanics at my local university using links, rods, chains, pound-force, etc.. Came in useful when I put my lawn in. I measured out the length of grass in chains and reverse engineered it to 1.5 acres using furlongs.
"The metric system is a tool of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it"
 

Cerpin Taxt

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I've always found it laughable that when progz are faced with something they don't agree with, they play the money card. When faced with something they do agree with, cost is no barrier.
What in the world are you talking about, and in what way is it relevant to this topic?

Notwithstanding that, I see no evidence presented that Texas textbooks drive what the rest of the nation's schoolchildren will use. Sounds like hearsay.

Have you done any looking into the question on your own?
 

Paul98

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It would be interesting to see what the teachers would do about this, if it was in their books.

It's sad when people who lack understanding in science and evolution, or that ignore it when it goes against their beliefs have any say is things like this.
 
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