"Creation science ... should be incorporated into every Biology book" in Texas

[JEDIYoda]

Wrong.

that's the best you can do???
I thought an atheist positioned himself as being smarter than that???

 

[Onceler]

God created evolution as part of His universe. Evolution is simply one method God uses to create life.


Science is man's way of discovering more about God's creation and the wondrous methods He uses.


Science points to God.

That's the wisest post you have ever made.

 

[ThinClient]

that's the best you can do???

Nope. He has been told the rest of that statement repeatedly in various threads over and over and over and over and over yet he... well, nevermind. You get the idea.

I thought an atheist positioned himself as being smarter than that???

Sometimes people are unwilling to learn. Other times they are actually vehemently opposed to learning and fight against it. This is Rob M. We know that evidence is not subjective, else it would not be called evidence, duh. He continues to choose to be willingly obtuse. It's to the point where I honestly believe he's a normal person in real life but he has created this persona online where he argues something that he obviously does not and cannot believe. I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone can face truth and reality and have their hand held through the description or definition of a concept that they do not understand more than a dozen times and they still not get it. I am absolutely certain that he's created this account just to troll religious threads.

 

[ThinClient]

God created evolution as part of His universe. Evolution is simply one method God uses to create life.

What evidence do you have that god exists in the first place?

What evidence do you have that proves that god is responsible for creating the universe or responsible for beginning evolution?

You're just making wild, baseless claims that you WANT to believe, but no amount of belief can make something a fact. (Randi)

Science is man's way of discovering more about God's creation and the wondrous methods He uses.

If you remove the baseless positive claim from that statement, that god exists or that creation happened, and replace it with the only thing that we actually have evidence for, the word "universe," then the statement is correct. Minus the bullshit about wondrous methods that a non-existent make-believe bronze age fairy tale uses.

Science points to God.

How so? Please show me something scientific that points to god existing or being responsible as a prime mover.

If you can't, your positive claim is bullshit.

 

[Retro Rob]

That's the wisest post you have ever made.

Actually, it's a poor attempt at reconciling evolution with the bible as you cannot find any Biblical evidence God used evolution...you'd basically have to write the creation account off as "allegorical" or just plain wrong.

Theistic evolution is just an attempt to marry God and Evolution, so theists can comfortably inject God into science.

I find it quite laughable, myself.

 

[Gargen]

Here's the difference between religion and science:

- If someone were to prove* that everything in a religion is false, 200 years later they would be remembered as the person that killed that religion.

- If someone were to prove* that everything in science is false, 200 years later they would be remembered as the greatest scientist that ever lived.





* I recognize that this is essentially impossible, just roll with it for the sake of the thought experiment.

 

[Onceler]

I detest the notion that religion makes someone happy. There are plenty of very unhappy Christians out there. It is not the opiate of the masses.

 

[sandorski]

Actually, it's a poor attempt at reconciling evolution with the bible as you cannot find any Biblical evidence God used evolution...you'd basically have to write the creation account off as "allegorical" or just plain wrong.

Theistic evolution is just an attempt to marry God and Evolution, so theists can comfortably inject God into science.

I find it quite laughable, myself.

This is a fine example of the problem. If a god exists and Created the Universe, it most certainly used Evolution in the process of developing the Life we see today. To insist that it didn't is just plain wrong.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I detest the notion that religion makes someone happy. There are plenty of very unhappy Christians out there. It is not the opiate of the masses.

I know many, many religious people who are not very happy people!

On the other side I also know many people who are just above poverty level who have nothing except their religion who are the happiest people on earth!

So go figure....

 

[AViking]

Fallacy party! Anecdote party!

They're just above poverty and they're "they happiest people on earth" due to religion? Many people?

I went out to dinner yesterday and when I came out it was snowing. That Chinese restaurant caused it to snow!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Fallacy party! Anecdote party!

They're just above poverty and they're "they happiest people on earth" due to religion? Many people?

I went out to dinner yesterday and when I came out it was snowing. That Chinese restaurant caused it to snow!

How so is that a fallacy?
Especially when you talk to people like I just mentioned and they tell you that if it was not for their faith in the lord Jesus Christ their lives would be miserable!

It`s only a fallacy to people like you who reject what these people attribute their reason for being happy or content in their circumstances!

It matters little if you agree or do not agree. What matters is that you respect their right to think the way they think and believe the way they believe!

especially if these people are minding their own business and not seeking out "Atheists" to convert them....

One persons fallacy is another persons truth!

then again ignorance even abounds in so called atheists!!

 

[SMOGZINN]

How so is that a fallacy?
Especially when you talk to people like I just mentioned and they tell you that if it was not for their faith in the lord Jesus Christ their lives would be miserable!

It`s only a fallacy to people like you who reject what these people attribute their reason for being happy or content in their circumstances!

It matters little if you agree or do not agree. What matters is that you respect their right to think the way they think and believe the way they believe!

especially if these people are minding their own business and not seeking out "Atheists" to convert them....

This I mostly agree with. I do believe that religion is doing a disservice to many of these people by teaching them that their suffering will be rewarded in some afterlife. I think that this causes people to suffer needlessly by teaching them to endure the pain instead of find a solution.

One persons fallacy is another persons truth!

then again ignorance even abounds in so called atheists!!

This I disagree with. A fallacy is a fallacy no matter how strongly you believe.

A fallacy means that the argument does not inevitably lead to the conclusion. A fallacy does not mean that the conclusion is necessarily wrong, only that the argument does not inevitably lead to it.

 

[ThinClient]

Actually, it's a poor attempt at reconciling evolution with the bible as you cannot find any Biblical evidence God used evolution...you'd basically have to write the creation account off as "allegorical" or just plain wrong.

Theistic evolution is just an attempt to marry God and Evolution, so theists can comfortably inject God into science.

I find it quite laughable, myself.

Yet we've seen you in countless evolution threads arguing against evolution.

That must mean that you're a creationist to the core, right?

Or did you change your mind on evolution because of the mounds of evidence we have shown you over and over and over each time you take part in evolution threads?

 

[ThinClient]

I detest the notion that religion makes someone happy. There are plenty of very unhappy Christians out there. It is not the opiate of the masses.

It is the ignorant comfort zone of the masses.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

It is the ignorant comfort zone of the masses.

Evidence?

 

[OverVolt]

I detest the notion that religion makes someone happy. There are plenty of very unhappy Christians out there. It is not the opiate of the masses.

Spirituality makes people happy. You can get the same thing with meditation but that is inspired by religion as well anyway.

I'm 100% positive that atheists have issues with spirituality/happiness/meaning in life/ and issues with the parts of life that are based on belief/faith in an idea.

No one has all the answers and we are all working on partial information at all times. Almost everything you do is not as fact based as you'd think and is actually more belief/faith based.

 

[sandorski]

Spirituality makes people happy. You can get the same thing with meditation but that is inspired by religion as well anyway.

I'm 100% positive that atheists have issues with spirituality/happiness/meaning in life/ and issues with the parts of life that are based on belief/faith in an idea.

No one has all the answers and we are all working on partial information at all times. Almost everything you do is not as fact based as you'd think and is actually more belief/faith based.

Examples?

 

[ThinClient]

Evidence?

Well, you, for one.

Go ahead and call me Satan again.

Besides, it's pretty funny that you're using the evidence argument because you fail at every single challenge to provide evidence that your god is real, that the bible is divinely inspired and infallible, and that christ was divine.

It's almost like you're cherry picking your arguments like you cherry pick what to believe in the Bible. :awe:

 

[ThinClient]

Spirituality makes people happy. You can get the same thing with meditation but that is inspired by religion as well anyway.

I'm 100% positive that atheists have issues with spirituality/happiness/meaning in life/ and issues with the parts of life that are based on belief/faith in an idea.

No one has all the answers and we are all working on partial information at all times. Almost everything you do is not as fact based as you'd think and is actually more belief/faith based.

What would you say if there were atheists who are just as happy without any form of spirituality or meditation?

Would that entirely destroy your argument and point of view? Or would you reject it and claim that they're not really happy because it doesn't fit your agenda?

 

[moonbogg]

What would you say if there were atheists who are just as happy without any form of spirituality or meditation?

Would that entirely destroy your argument and point of view? Or would you reject it and claim that they're not really happy because it doesn't fit your agenda?

I don't know what he would say, but if I were in his position (defending faith) then I would certainly take the cheap shot and blatantly claim that atheists are miserable and no one could convince me otherwise. After all, defending faith is dishonest by nature, so why withhold a perfectly good cheap shot?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Why does anyone think a correlation between religion and happiness is significant?

 

[moonbogg]

Why does anyone think a correlation between religion and happiness is significant?

Being buddies with the creator of the universe and knowing that you'll get into his club after you die, would be a pretty happy/fun thing. Oh, but you don't know the truth and you aren't getting into the club? Damn, you must be miserable.