These are microdrive HDD based players. They are not bad, but watch for sales of flash-based players. Not long ago OD was selling Sansa e240 for $100.00 AR
I have a Zen Micro, microdrive based.
I broke two times. First was a faulty battery and firmware. After 3 months the microdrive died.
They are great on sound but terrible on quality and support.
Only the older (5gb black & white) had problems. I have a 6gb B&W been going strong for a year now. The 8gb are the Zen Micro Photo, which are the newest with an OLED screen.
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