Creative's P10?

[DrDavid]

creative is apparently going to produce their own GPU which should compete with nvidia and ati (and i guess matrox )...!

has anyone heard or seen any specs/pics?!?!!

i want to know!!!

 

[dude]

Creative is making a P10? Wow!

Intel only got a P4 and AMD got a K8 comming soon!

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: dude
Creative is making a P10? Wow!

Intel only got a P4 and AMD got a K8 comming soon!

Haha, very creative dude

 

[heliomphalodon]

Tom's Hardware Guide has a preview here.

 

[Idoxash]

Firstly I want to say it's not a "GPU" it's a "VPU"!

Second Tom has only preview a chip that is kinda like the P10 but is built more for Pro gfx making or as in super workstations!

Anyways the P10 should be a fast, powerful chip indeed but the fact is will it have nice looking vis as well... I love fast gfx but i want as 100% close to what the gfx should like as well...

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: Idoxash
Firstly I want to say it's not a "GPU" it's a "VPU"!

Second Tom has only preview a chip that is kinda like the P10 but is built more for Pro gfx making or as in super workstations!

Anyways the P10 should be a fast, powerful chip indeed but the fact is will it have nice looking vis as well... I love fast gfx but i want as 100% close to what the gfx should like as well...

GPU/VPU/CPU/graphics chips etc
It's all a name, same essential purpose.

FWIW, 3DLabs is manufacturing the P10... Creative is merely manufacturing cards based on the chip.

If you want a preview of the chip... well just go take a look at the 3DLabs WildCat VP, as that's based of of the P10.
Granted the consumer P10 will likely be clocked differently, and the drivers will be dramatically different... but it'll at least give you a base imprssion of the hardware.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Creative owns 3dLabs.

The consumer boards will bear the Creative moniker.

That you can be certain...

 

[Goi]

Well, I originally wanted to post something new, but everything has been said, so I'd just summarize

The P10 isn't a CPU but a "VPU" as the guys over at 3DLabs would have it, or "Visual Processing Unit". Its a highly programmable graphics processor, much more so than nvidia's Vertex/Pixel Shaders, making it more general purpose.
Creative has just acquired 3DLabs, and hence while its technically correct to say that they're making the chip, its actually 3DLabs's engineers who designed it and they probably have TMSC or some other fab manufacture it. Creative is just the name behind it all.

Specs are pretty impressive and promising, but initial reviews put it behind the nvidia Quadro4 XGL750 and XGL950 in most professional benchmarks.

 

[pace3000]

Who cares if its a GPU or a VPU - just another silly little marketing term. Surprised Matrox didn't coin a new term though, as they are all about visuals too. Mmm....visuals

P.

 

[heliomphalodon]

Originally posted by: Goi
Specs are pretty impressive and promising, but initial reviews put it behind the nvidia Quadro4 XGL750 and XGL950 in most professional benchmarks.

Quadro4 XGL950 ? What's that?
Where might I find these "initial reviews" that compare P10 cards to Quadro4 cards?

 

[Goi]

Sorry, I meant the XGL900, not XGL950, that was a typo...as for the comparison/reviews, I remember reading 2 of them, but that was a while ago(a few weeks?), I can't remember where exactly I read them, perhaps some others would remember the articles.

 

[ceZium]

I personally can't wait to at least see how the card does in gaming. If it is fast, then more power to them, in my opinion the more competition for ATI and Nvidia the better for all of us.

 

[Goi]

From the reviews that I read, gaming wasn't very good at all. In fact, IIRC, it was doing pretty badly in gaming, but then again it was the 3DLabs Wildcat VP that was being tested, and this is a card aimed at the professional workstation market segment, so it doesn't have good DX drivers at all. However, given 3DLab's inexperience in the gaming segment, I'd say it probably won't be surprising a lot of us in performance...in fact I'd wager that it'd do even worse then the Parhelia in its current state.

 

[Geotpf]

As a brand new Parhelia owner, I thought I should point out that the low benchmarks that were quoted by all the reviewers were most certainly a driver issue. It's not going to top a Geforce 4 Ti 4600, but the newest drivers (1.00.2.228, released 7/5), compared to the ones on the CD, upped my 3dmark 2001SE score by more than 25% and my Codecreatures score by more than 50%. It would be my guess that all those benchmarks were off the original drivers, and therefore underestimate the perforamance of the card by 25-50%.