Creators Update So What Do I Think

[deustroop]

Anyways, the CU, what do I think ?

Well the new options controlling privacy mean there is even less of it !

Used to be, with Win 95 and following, that when the drive light was active it was for a bloody well small number of reasons and I could find out the nature of the activity pretty quick, especially when I was operating the machine .

Then Win 10 struck and Windows (I like think of it as Skynet) discretely collected information on its users, ostensibly both to review system performance, over a wide range of users, but also to serve (PUN) some of this data to its advertisers. We had constant inbound/outbound determined by Skynet with regular and unstoppable upgrades, new Definitions arriving at any time of the day or night and straight out data mining. As a result, the range of factors accounting for disk activity became much broader and thus less known.

Now Creators Update. It was of course unstoppably deposited here. This particular species has even more access to basic data and if the user is sleeping, everything can be collected.

Today, when I see the disk light on, I pause. I wonder, how long before I have completely lost control of this machine, before Skynet has gone from being the Operating System to being the Operator ?

 

[mxnerd]

Upgraded to Creator edition.

Before the update, my PC temperature is around 50C, now it's constantly above 60C, sometimes even 70C.

Don't know what MS is doing in the background.

 

[mxnerd]

OK. After I posted the reply, found that it's the Chrome extension I installed that's causing problem.

It's EverSync bookmarks extension! But I haven't starts to use it yet! Removed it and it's back to normal.

 

[bbhaag]

Anyways, the CU, what do I think ?

Well the new options controlling privacy mean there is even less of it !

Used to be, with Win 95 and following, that when the drive light was active it was for a bloody well small number of reasons and I could find out the nature of the activity pretty quick, especially when I was operating the machine .

Then Win 10 struck and Windows (I like think of it as Skynet) discretely collected information on its users, ostensibly both to review system performance, over a wide range of users, but also to serve (PUN) some of this data to its advertisers. We had constant inbound/outbound determined by Skynet with regular and unstoppable upgrades, new Definitions arriving at any time of the day or night and straight out data mining. As a result, the range of factors accounting for disk activity became much broader and thus less known.

Now Creators Update. It was of course unstoppably deposited here. This particular species has even more access to basic data and if the user is sleeping, everything can be collected.

Today, when I see the disk light on, I pause. I wonder, how long before I have completely lost control of this machine, before Skynet has gone from being the Operating System to being the Operator ?

At least the drive light still blinks. On your phone, tablet and tv it doesn't.

 

[escrow4]

Its 2017. You have no privacy. You want it go live in a cave in a tent.

 

[JackMDS]

It is basically the same as 1607. The whatever minor changes are insignificant for almost all users.

I think that MS making a Mistake doing extensive "Drama Queening" for such Upgrade.

The privacy issue of Win 10 is a real issue and it would Not be better by just playing with some "Cosmetics".

 

[Puffnstuff]

For me the most significant change is the version number.

 

[jkauff]

I assume Enterprise users get a reasonably complete list of under-the-hood changes, but us Home users don't get much information below the bullet level. I know they made changes to D3D12, but what about D3D11, which I actually use (non-gamer here)? How about OpenCL and NVMe?

I haven't encountered any problems, but any "improvements" are so far unnoticeable.

 

[Ketchup]

Programs and Features is harder to get to. It and Control Panel are gone from the right-click on the stat button (but still available if you dig). They REALLY want us to use "Apps and Features" and "Windows Settings" (are we all knew this was coming). I had a game engine I had to get rid of and a NIC driver that had to be replaced, but all seems to be running fine now.

On a funny side note, if you type Programs and Features into Cortana, the only option you will see is Apps and Features.

 

[deustroop]

I notice one significant improvement. The Creators Update has an improved zoom function which is now very useful compared to the " increase fonts, title bars, icons, etc" function of earlier versions. Prior to the Update, I had browser windows zoomed to 133% and had set the previous function for each of the fonts/icons/title bars etc., at > default sizes.. Post CU, using the scaling function, I moved back the browser zoom to 100%. Scaling enlarges all the items together and is a plus for those with high resolution devices viewing text and graphics designed for lower res.The improved zoom will accommodate screens up to 4K and may be found under settings/display/scale and layout.

 

[bbhaag]

Programs and Features is harder to get to. It and Control Panel are gone from the right-click on the stat button (but still available if you dig). They REALLY want us to use "Apps and Features" and "Windows Settings" (are we all knew this was coming). I had a game engine I had to get rid of and a NIC driver that had to be replaced, but all seems to be running fine now.

On a funny side note, if you type Programs and Features into Cortana, the only option you will see is Apps and Features.

I noticed that to. The right click on start to access Control Panel has been around since 8.1 and now it's gone. Besides using the run command and typing control.exe have you found a better way to access it? Is there a way to get it back when I right click on start? Let me know. Thanks

 

[JackMDS]

Click on Start, scroll down to the letter W. Under W you would see a folder name Windows System, click on it and you would see link to Control Panel.

Option 1. If you seldom use it just remember where it is.

Option 2 {hard to memorize) - Right Click on the Control Panel link and Pin it to the Start Menu.

 

[Ketchup]

Fortunately, 10 still offers a desktop icon for control panel, as well as my computer, etc.

 

[deustroop]

I noticed that to. The right click on start to access Control Panel has been around since 8.1 and now it's gone. Besides using the run command and typing control.exe have you found a better way to access it? Is there a way to get it back when I right click on start? Let me know. Thanks

As Ketchup notes, there is a built in desktop icon for the control panel. Go to settings/personalization/themes/desktop icon settings and check Control Panel. I use that short cut and Computer.

 

[Monk5127]

Creators Update seems alright. The only issue I have found so far is that 'Give me updates for other Microsoft products when I update Windows' seems to constantly re tick itself.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

It is basically the same as 1607. The whatever minor changes are insignificant for almost all users.

I think that MS making a Mistake doing extensive "Drama Queening" for such Upgrade.

The privacy issue of Win 10 is a real issue and it would Not be better by just playing with some "Cosmetics".

Before today, I had problems with certain web-pages on certain sites. I had to refresh them a couple times before they would scroll. Also, occasionally, typing in the editing window for this forum would slow down or stall -- an annoyance.

Now, apparently, all those problems have disappeared. But it all generally seems more responsive. then again, maybe it's a placebo delusion of mine.

 

[bbhaag]

Thanks for the info guys appreciate it. I did find a thread on the ten forums that shows how to get control panel back on right click. Only caveat is it removes settings from right click. Not a big deal for me since it's left click accessible very easily. At the end of the thread a guy even wrote a batch file so it's really easy to implement. If anyone's interested here's the link.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/66491-show-control-panel-settings-win-x-menu-windows-10-a.html

 

[deustroop]

Just see my post above

 

[bbhaag]

I know but I'm not a huge fan of desktop icons....I know it's crazy but it is just one of those little quarks that I have. I like a nice clean desktop with no icons.

 

[jkauff]

You could also spend $5 (after free trial period) on Stardock's Start10 utility. Gives you lots of control over the Start menu, gets updated with any changes to Win 10, and is rock-solid.

And no desktop icon.

 

[William Gaatjes]

As Ketchup notes, there is a built in desktop icon for the control panel. Go to settings/personalization/themes/desktop icon settings and check Control Panel. I use that short cut and Computer.

I do not find it handy to have it on the desktop. I like it in the startmenu.
Also, when i turned it off again by again using the described method through settings, all my other desktop icons got scrambled around.
I find it a messy solution.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I thought initially today to start a new thread, but this one serves just as well.

I can now say that I THOUGHT I liked the Creators Update, but after a lot of pondering, troubleshooting, experimenting, etc., I don't THINK I like it so much, and I blame Microsoft. It isn't a matter of the Creators Update failing to "perform" or its "improvements." It is a matter of performing the update successfully and a perfectly-understandable custom configuration with dual-boot Win7/Win10 using only the boot-menu that Windows offers up at boot-time.

Here is the saga of my wonderful Windows 10 Creators Update Build 1703(?) experience.

Previously, the day I made the update from the MS website, I couldn't get it to install in Windows Update as-is: it would stall at 0%. So I downloaded it from MS.

It all seemed to go so smoothly. The reboot into my dual-boot Win7/Win10 system seemed a little flakey, and I thought I had missed the OS-selection screen and thought that the default Win version had been changed by accident. It booted directly to Win7 first. Rebooting again from there, it presented the selection menu, I selected Win 10 (which was, after all, the default), and everything seemed marvelous and perfect.
This is a dual-boot system with Win 7 and Win 10 both on the same 960 Pro NVMe. And I use part of the 960 Pro to cache a slower SATA device -- an HDD, in fact. But this is really of no consequence. The problem is really MS and their thoughtless lack of concern for custom configurations. And custom configurations has been the order of the day for a long, long time, beginning with the old 8088 XT and 80286 AT, followed by Windows.

A little more with the violins. Since October, 2016, I had pinched and tweaked both OS installations until the Event Logs show either blue info events, certain benign warnings, and inconsequential red-bang errors for "Side-by-Side" because this is a 64-bit system neither Nuance nor Cyberlink designed their software to avoid throwing an error when the programs began looking for the their 32-bit version prior to finding the 64-bit dll's and libraries.

A lot of time invested, and everything was perfect -- topped off on Friday with my new HP OfficeJet 7740 software and its configuration.

Then, on Saturday, I installed the Creators Update, and experienced the initial glitches I mentioned. The systems was perfectly stable when booting properly to Win 10. But I discovered this problem of the inconsistent boot menu or lack thereof coupled with a direct boot to Windows 7. Right away, I knew there would be a problem with Windows 10 hibernate, which indeed became evident.

The 1703 update added another partition/volume stub to the 960 Pro -- a "Recovery" partition of about 500MB.

And every time I would boot into Win 10, it would put a brief message at screen bottom about "Diagnosing and repairing disk" with a "{XXXX . . . . -XXXX}" string that looks like a Class-ID or App_ID and "Disk Volume N." That would quickly disappear to an otherwise uneventful boot to Win 10. This is not normal.
I also discovered that software that had worked just fine in the previous build would throw errors. For instance, PaperPort 14.5.

I tried repairing with my Macrium Rescue disc -- no cigar. I think you have to give volumes a distinct drive-letter, or Macrium won't find them.

Next, I tried eliminating the Win 7 from the boot configuration -- deleting it in MSConfig, and deleting the boot-volume for it. Then, boot to Win 10 would fail.

Finally, I simply restored the Macrium image from Friday.

Has anyone had similar difficulties? I can only imagine, but cannot completely know, if this problem arises because of my dual-boot configuration. So the blame goes to Microsoft.

Everything was perfect before installing this Creators update. And oddly, the catch-22 arises from the new build's options allowing you to control Windows Updates.

Any thoughts about this? Whatever happens, I can always restore from my Macrium image(s), but this is another unexpected nuisance after the sweat and trouble to set up this system with perfect multi-OS installs.
I have another friend on the East Coast who reports similar problems with his single-boot systems after the Creators Update.

 

[escrow4]

The problem there is - who still dual boots in 2K17? You have 10, why are you still fiddling with 7 which is nearly a decade old?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The problem there is - who still dual boots in 2K17? You have 10, why are you still fiddling with 7 which is nearly a decade old?

WMC. The dual-boot idea seemed to have popularity in the earlier part of last year. It allows one to "test the waters" with Win 10. But there is also the issue of software, and like I said -- media. I simply planned my entire configuration around the idea, as a challenge to get everything to work tip-top. And it did.

But these troubles and quirks with the new 1703 build extend to people like my friend in No. Virginia, who was describing some of the symptoms I had had. He doesn't have any dual-boot configurations.

There are other folks who deploy Linux in conjunct with Windows -- 7, 8 or 10. But I think I still have a stronger argument here. They are both Windows OSes. Instead of Win 7, I might have installed Win 8 -- less opportunity for criticism for being "dated." Windows should manage them properly.

And again -- once I'd installed the Creators Update -- some of my software malfunctions. It can't even be tweaked with the compatibility wizard. It had to be reinstalled.

I don't recall ever having these sorts of difficulties with a full Service Pack upgrade for Win 7, or for VISTA.

 

[William Gaatjes]

WMC. The dual-boot idea seemed to have popularity in the earlier part of last year. It allows one to "test the waters" with Win 10. But there is also the issue of software, and like I said -- media. I simply planned my entire configuration around the idea, as a challenge to get everything to work tip-top. And it did.

But these troubles and quirks with the new 1703 build extend to people like my friend in No. Virginia, who was describing some of the symptoms I had had. He doesn't have any dual-boot configurations.

There are other folks who deploy Linux in conjunct with Windows -- 7, 8 or 10. But I think I still have a stronger argument here. They are both Windows OSes. Instead of Win 7, I might have installed Win 8 -- less opportunity for criticism for being "dated." Windows should manage them properly.

And again -- once I'd installed the Creators Update -- some of my software malfunctions. It can't even be tweaked with the compatibility wizard. It had to be reinstalled.

I don't recall ever having these sorts of difficulties with a full Service Pack upgrade for Win 7, or for VISTA.

Bonzaiduck
Can you not use a virtual machine ?
I am saving up for a new Ryzen based system with at least 6 cores(I finally decided). And i do that so , i can use vmware to run old windows versions for programs that i for some reason cannot get to run under W10 because they are too old.
Also, some programs just dig into the os way too much for my liking and break other programs. So for those programs i use a virtual machine. No option for you ?