Credit score question for credit gurus

bernse

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I posted this question in a different forum on the net but didn't really get any answers about it.. people basically telling me not to worry about it. I'm not "worrying" about my credit score - I know it is good, but, I would like to know what the "bolded" things mean in particular with regards to my report. I'd appreciate any insights.

# Your FICO score of 801 summarizes the information on your Equifax credit report.
# FICO scores range between 300 and 900.
# Higher scores are considered better scores. That is, the higher your score, the more favorably lenders look upon you as a credit risk.
# Your score is well above the average score of Canadian consumers and clearly demonstrates to lenders that you are an exceptional borrower.

The Bottom Line: What a FICO score of 801 means to you

Lenders consider many factors in addition to your credit score when making credit decisions. Looking solely at your FICO score, however, most lenders would consider this score as excellent.

This Means:

* It is extremely unlikely your application for credit cards or for a mortgage or auto loan would be turned down, based on your score alone.
* You should be able to obtain relatively high credit limits on your credit card.
* Most lenders will consider offering you their most attractive and most competitive rates.
* Many lenders will also offer you special incentives and rewards targeted to their "best" customers.

It is important to understand that different lenders set their own policies and tolerance for risk when making credit decisions, so there is no single "cutoff score" used by all lenders.

The FICO score is calculated based on the information contained in your Equifax credit history. While knowing your actual score is a good start, understanding the key factors affecting your FICO score is much more important. These factors will provide you direction on how you can increase or maintain your FICO score over time.

The negative factors listed below are reasons why your FICO score is not higher. Your focus on these factors will help you to raise your FICO score over time. These negative factors are provided in order of impact to your score, the first factor listed indicates where you stand to gain the most points over time and so on.

The length of time your revolving or non-revolving accounts have been established is too short

This reason is based on the age of the revolving or non-revolving charge accounts on your credit bureau report (the age of your oldest revolving or non-revolving charge account, the average age of your revolving or non-revolving charge accounts, or both). A revolving account such as Visa, MasterCard, or retail store card allows consumers to make a minimum monthly payment and roll or "revolve" the remainder of their balance to the next month. Non-revolving accounts such as American Express and Diners Club must be paid off in full each month. Research shows that consumers with longer credit histories have better repayment risk than those with shorter credit histories. Also, consumers who frequently open new accounts have greater repayment risk than those who do not.

It is a good idea to only apply for credit when you really need it. Meanwhile, maintain low-to-moderate balances and be sure to make your payments on time. Your score should improve as your revolving credit history ages.

The amount owed on your non-mortgage related accounts is too high

The score measures how much you owe on the non-mortgage related accounts (revolving, non-revolving, and installment) that are listed on your credit bureau report. Research reveals that consumers owing larger amounts on their credit accounts have greater future repayment risk than those who owe less. (For credit cards, the total outstanding balance on your last statement is generally the amount that will show in your credit bureau report. Note that even if you pay off your credit cards in full each and every month, your credit bureau report may show the last billing statement balance on those accounts.)

Paying off your debts and maintaining low balances will help to improve your credit score. Consolidating or moving your debt around from one account to another will usually not, however, raise your score, since the same amount is still owed.


The length of time your accounts have been established is relatively short

This reason is based on the age of the accounts on your credit bureau report (the age of the oldest account, the average age of accounts, or both). Research shows that consumers with longer credit histories have better repayment risk than those with shorter credit histories. Also, consumers who frequently open new accounts have greater repayment risk than those who don't.

It is a good idea to only apply for credit when you really need it. Meanwhile, maintain low-to-moderate balances and be sure to make your payments on time. Your score should improve as your credit history ages.

Proportion of loan balances to original loan amounts is too high

Simply having installment loans and owing money on them does not mean you are a high-risk borrower. To the contrary, paying down installment loans is a good sign that you are able and willing to manage and repay debt, and evidence of successful repayment weighs favorably on your credit rating. The FICO score examines many aspects of your current installment loan and revolving balances. One measurement is to compare outstanding installment balances against the original loan amounts. Generally, the closer the loans are to being fully paid off, the better the score. Compared to other measurements of indebtedness, however, this has limited influence on the FICO score.


Paying down installment loans on a timely basis generally reflects well on your credit score. But if you want to improve your score, one way to do it is to try to pay the loans, (especially non-mortgage installment loans) down as quickly as you can.

Credit Information

This section contains information on each account that you've opened in the past. It is retained in our database for not more than 6 years from the date of last activity.

An installment loan is a fixed-payment loan in which the monthly payment does not change from month to month. Examples of such loans are a mortgage, car loan or a student loan. A revolving loan is a loan in which the balance or amount owed changes from month to month, such as a credit card.

Note: The account numbers have been partially masked for your security.


GMAC
Phone Number: Not Available High Credit/Credit Limit: $15,320.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: $421.00
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $3,579.00
Type of Account: Installment Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 2004-06 Date of Last Activity: 2006-08
Months Reviewed: 24 Date Reported: 2006-08
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Lease account
Monthly payments

xxxxx MC
Phone Number: xx High Credit/Credit Limit: $8,000.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: $10.00
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $252.00
Type of Account: Revolving Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 2005-03 Date of Last Activity: 2006-08

Months Reviewed: 18 Date Reported: 2006-08
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Amount in h/c column is credit limit
Monthly payments

xxxxxx VISA
Phone Number: Not Available High Credit/Credit Limit: $10,000.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: $3.00
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $0.00
Type of Account: Revolving Past Due: Not Available
Date Opened: 2004-04 Date of Last Activity: 2006-08
Months Reviewed: 26 Date Reported: 2006-08
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Amount in h/c column is credit limit
Monthly payments

xxxx BANK
Phone Number: xx High Credit/Credit Limit: $9,000.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: Not Available
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $0.00
Type of Account: Revolving Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 2000-01 Date of Last Activity: 2005-04
Months Reviewed: 12 Date Reported: 2006-07
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Amount in h/c column is credit limit
Monthly payments

xxxxx BANK
Phone Number: (xx High Credit/Credit Limit: $24,900.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: Not Available
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $0.00
Type of Account: Revolving Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 2001-04 Date of Last Activity: 2005-01
Months Reviewed: 47 Date Reported: 2005-03
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Account paid
Closed at consumer request

xxxxx VISA
Phone Number: Not Available High Credit/Credit Limit: $14,000.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: Not Available
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $0.00
Type of Account: Revolving Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 2001-03 Date of Last Activity: 2003-07
Months Reviewed: 39 Date Reported: 2004-07
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Account paid
Closed at consumer request

xxxx VISA
Phone Number: xx High Credit/Credit Limit: $10,200.00
Account Number: XXX...xxx Payment Amount: Not Available
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $0.00
Type of Account: Revolving Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 1999-03 Date of Last Activity: 2001-05
Months Reviewed: 51 Date Reported: 2004-07
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Closed at consumer request
Account paid

xxx DEALER PLAN
Phone Number: xxx High Credit/Credit Limit: $29,731.00
Account Number: XXX...xx Payment Amount: $8,690.00
Association to Account: Individual account BalanceAmount: $0.00
Type of Account: Installment Past Due: $0.00
Date Opened: 1998-08 Date of Last Activity: 2003-03
Months Reviewed: 54 Date Reported: 2003-03
Status: Paid as agreed and up to date
Payment History: No payment 30 days late
No payment 60 days late
No payment 90 days late
Prior Paying History:
Comments: Auto loan
Monthly payments

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Credit History and Banking Information

A credit transaction will automatically purge from the system six (6) years from the date of last activity. All banking information (checking or saving account) will automatically purge from the system six (6) years from the date of registration.

And thats basically it - no hard credit checks nor applications for any credit recently (last one was my current truck over 2 years ago, and that was the only one for approx 4 years) and no collections, bankruptcy, skeletons in the closet, etc.

Questions are these:

xxx DEALER PLAN
- the very last thing on my report.

This was a vehicle loan which I paid off almost 3 years ago - but doesn't show closed. Is that normal? Should I dig up my old paperwork and contact them to confirm it is closed?

Proportion of loan balances to original loan amounts is too high

I have no "loan" out right now other than a lease on my truck I use for work. That's it. No personal loan, no mortgage (paid my house off months ago), nadda. Would the 1 "loan balance" be enough to cause a negative effect on my credit score?

The amount owed on your non-mortgage related accounts is too high
More or less the same as above. I owe nothing, other than my lease. I use one credit card for the most part for many daily/business purchases, which is paid off in full every month. It is the very first MC on the list.

I know I could cancel credit cards which I never use, but I have heard getting rid of that history is a bad thing - and I did indeed cancel one of them as seen in the report. I have lowered credit limits on some months ago, and this report reflects this.

Any ideas?
 

Descartes

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I don't have the attention span to read the whole thing, but essentially it means that you have more liabilities; more liabilities means an increased risk in default. If you think about it, it makes sense: If you're ever in a financially strapped position then there's an increased probability that you won't be able to pay your non-mortgage accounts. If given the choice, do most people pay their mortgage or their credit card bills if they're strapped for cash?

801 is a nice score though.
 

bernse

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Aug 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: Descartes
I don't have the attention span to read the whole thing, but essentially it means that you have more liabilities; more liabilities means an increased risk in default. If you think about it, it makes sense: If you're ever in a financially strapped position then there's an increased probability that you won't be able to pay your non-mortgage accounts. If given the choice, do most people pay their mortgage or their credit card bills if they're strapped for cash?

801 is a nice score though.
That's it though - I DON'T HAVE LIABILITIES, save 1. Why even mention it or am I missing something really obvious here?
 

FoBoT

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you owe too much (non-mortgage) and you aren't paying it off fast enough, that is what i got out of the bolded parts

it is spit out by a computer, not a person, so don't expect it to make sense
 

Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: bernse
Originally posted by: Descartes
I don't have the attention span to read the whole thing, but essentially it means that you have more liabilities; more liabilities means an increased risk in default. If you think about it, it makes sense: If you're ever in a financially strapped position then there's an increased probability that you won't be able to pay your non-mortgage accounts. If given the choice, do most people pay their mortgage or their credit card bills if they're strapped for cash?

801 is a nice score though.
That's it though - I DON'T HAVE LIABILITIES, save 1. Why even mention it or am I missing something really obvious here?

Well, a liability is still a liability.

As FoBot said, this isn't some person saying, "Oh, he only has 1, no big deal." A computer looks at the accounts, determines the risk factors based on some calculation and spits out a report.

I wouldn't worry about it. Anyone that actually reviews your credit report likely wouldn't bring it up at all.
 

Vic

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I can't speak precisely for Canada's credit system, but you have a 801 score out of 900. Based on the typical lender's scale which has a max of 850, you would have a ~760 score. That's AAA rated. So you really should take other people's advice and not worry.
The bolded sections are just the usual excuses for why you don't have a perfect score. They did affect your score, but very minimally (which is why you still have a high score).
Basically, the biggest issue on your report is that you don't have a mortgage and yes, that is being held against you (although not enough that you should care).
And unless you formatted the report text incorrectly, the "Dealer Plan" account shows a zero balance, last activity and last reported date of 3/03, and "paid as agreed" payment history. It's closed.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
you owe too much (non-mortgage) and you aren't paying it off fast enough, that is what i got out of the bolded parts

it is spit out by a computer, not a person, so don't expect it to make sense
Exactly. I run across the OP's issue frequently with my highest credit score customers. They can't seem to understand that the computer is just making up a reason for why they don't have the absolute most perfect score. I'm not saying the reason isn't valid, just that its impact on their score was very minimal, while the reason's definitions are better suited for someone to whom the impact was much greater.
It can be a little frustrating because, from my perspective, they have great credit, nothing is actually being held against them, I'm already going to offer them the best I got, and they should quit grinding me over the issue and just get over it.
 

Viper GTS

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Closing accounts and reducing credit limits is generally bad, quit doing that. In fact I would go back & get limit increases on all your open accounts (the pre-approved variety, don't go racking up inquiries for it).

Credit reports always list the positive and negative factors of your report, obviously when you have great credit they're going to have to nitpick to find the "negatives."

Oh and if you really care that much pay your balance off a day or two before the statement closes. That way your account will reflect a near $0 balance instead of whatever you spent last month.

Viper GTS
 

bernse

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: FoBoT
you owe too much (non-mortgage) and you aren't paying it off fast enough, that is what i got out of the bolded parts

it is spit out by a computer, not a person, so don't expect it to make sense
Exactly. I run across the OP's issue frequently with my highest credit score customers. They can't seem to understand that the computer is just making up a reason for why they don't have the absolute most perfect score. I'm not saying the reason isn't valid, just that its impact on their score was very minimal, while the reason's definitions are better suited for someone to whom the impact was much greater.
It can be a little frustrating because, from my perspective, they have great credit, nothing is actually being held against them, I'm already going to offer them the best I got, and they should quit grinding me over the issue and just get over it.

Fair enough - and I can accept that.
Oh and if you really care that much pay your balance off a day or two before the statement closes.
I do - if not a week or so earlier. A small balance may still show (I think this report shows $200) because I may use it again before the statement period is up.

ou have too many damn credit cards!
3 is too many?

 

jupiter57

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Originally posted by: bernse


no mortgage (paid my house off months ago), nadda.

No mortgage shows on your report.
Do they consider you a "Non-Homeowner", as in no real assets?
 
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