http://youtu.be/VDo-j00vUtwWould you mind posting some links. My google fu must suck.
AMD can't rely on Metal APIs as a crutch. Mantle is dead, and DX12/Vulkan games will always be a drop in the bucket compared to DX11 titles. Hell, there are hundreds of new indie titles that are still targeting DX9/XP.
You sound angry. Why is that?I like the way you slipped in a backhanded compliment, almost as if posting an objective comment, and then immediately resorted with this myopic anti-AMD fud.
Please stop spreading misinformation. DX12 was in development years before Mantle even existed.But I'll have to correct you; Mantle has inspired and evolved into two of the most radical graphics APIs in history.
On Windows DX12 will gain about as much traction as PhysX did, Vulkan even less so. Generally speaking only the biggest AAA engine houses will be able to afford the resources to properly code for DX12. Windows has thousands of games released for it every year, including huge numbers of indie games written using garbage-collected C#/.NET. The industry has been moving away from low level APIs for years.And more importantly, to claim DX12 will be "always be a drop in the bucket" compared to DX11 is frankly stupid. It's a willingly shortsighted claim (unless you really mean forever?), and since people come to forums like this for information they need to know this.
Hell, there are hundreds of new indie titles that are still targeting DX9/XP.
I agree, and that's my point. Anyone expecting DX12 to proliferate Windows gaming is living in a fantasy world, and your's is another example why that won't happen.These "hundreds" of new indie titles probably easily run at 60+ FPS on an Rx 470/480 (as I wouldn't expect a low-end user to have a 144hz Freesync monitor). It's the AAA titles that need the CPU overhead fixed, not barely-demanding DX9 indie games.
Like I said above, generally speaking it'll only be the biggest AAA vendors, so it'll remain a niche API in the grand scheme of things.
Please stop spreading misinformation. DX12 was in development years before Mantle even existed.
Please stop spreading misinformation. DX12 was in development years before Mantle even existed.
As for "radical", the industry used to code to the metal years ago. It was called DOS and Assembler. Was DOS "radical"? How about x86 assembler?
What this means directly what AMD sais is that Mantle 1.0 is in DirectX 12. So misinformation actually is saying that Mantle is not in DX12. It is. And GLNext is Vulkan.AMD said:
- Mantle must take on new capabilities and evolve beyond mastery of the draw call. It will continue to serve AMD as a graphics innovation platform available to select partners with custom needs.
- The Mantle SDK also remains available to partners who register in this co-development and evaluation program. However, if you are a developer interested in Mantle "1.0" functionality, we suggest that you focus your attention on DirectX® 12 or GLnext.
What an irony, this is such a fat misinformation!!!...
Please stop spreading misinformation. DX12 was in development years before Mantle even existed.
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Like I said above, generally speaking it'll only be the biggest AAA vendors, so it'll remain a niche API in the grand scheme of things.
Still, I think it's pretty clear that Mantle had influence on DX12 by being the first modern low-level API. If Mantle hadn't gone in that direction, I doubt DX12 would have.
You should read the AMD blog post about Mantle 1.0 functionality in DX12, and OpenGLNext(Vulkan).For this to be true, you have to believe that low level APIs are created in mere months, and not years. Lets look at the timeline shall we:
1) AMD announces Mantle on September 26 2013.
2) Mantle enabling driver for BF4 becomes available on Feb 3 2014
3) Microsoft announces DX12 on March 20 2014, and shows Forza 5 running on a Titan Black using DX12
4) NVidia blog posted on March 20 2014 claims that work on DX12 started more than 4 years prior, and that for the past year NVidia had been working with Microsoft to deliver a working implementation for presentation at GDC
Now lets put things into context. AMD Mantle specifically targeted Radeon hardware. DX12 on the other hand supports a much wider range of hardware, to not only include both Radeon and Geforce, but phones, tablets, laptops etcetera as well.. If Mantle influenced DX12, then how and why was the first DX12 demo run on NVidia hardware, a mere month after Mantle first became available to consumers?
DX12 is much more complex than Mantle by virtue of the various hardwares that it supports and so had a much longer development time and greater collaboration between IHVs and Microsoft.. So, how on Earth can you believe Mantle had anything to do with DX12? They are two different beasts entirely. The only thing they have in common are that they are low level APIs.
In fact, AMD posted in their own Mantle FAQ page that there was no relationship between Mantle and DX12..
So let's put this myth to bed now shall we?
For this to be true, you have to believe that low level APIs are created in mere months, and not years.
No direct relationship. Stop distorting your sources to say what you want them to say.In fact, AMD posted in their own Mantle FAQ page that there was no relationship between Mantle and DX12..
So let's put this myth to bed now shall we?
You should read the AMD blog post about Mantle 1.0 functionality in DX12, and OpenGLNext(Vulkan).
It is in post number 36 in this thread, on this very page. I will link it for ya, after all: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...s-in-performance.2486639/page-2#post-38476182
Have you actually thought that MS could have been developing DX12 for quite some time, but without addition of Mantle it would not be low-level API?
You know why is that? Because Microsoft has something like DX11.3 which has most of features of DX12. Apart from the low-level ones. And all of the features that are missing from DX11.3, are somewhat familiar to those who worked with Mantle feature set.
So no, DirectX12 really has Mantle feature set/code inside it.
And you seem to believe that MS and AMD didn't know about Mantle and DX12 respectively before the general public did. I highly doubt that. APIs are collaborative efforts, with input from the OS maker, IHVs, and software/game developers. Mantle could have influenced the direction of DX12 while both were still in development, causing DX12 to change course to be more low-level. I find that more plausible than AMD putting resources into an exclusive API when Microsoft was going to come out with a low level API anyways just a year or so later.
No direct relationship. Stop distorting your sources to say what you want them to say.
This is plausible, but as I said to Glo. above, it lacks any evidence and without evidence, it's just speculation. I posted a link to an AMD Mantle FAQ page which stated that there is no direct relationship between Mantle and DX12. That's straight from the horse's mouth. What more do you need?
What does it matter? The implication is still the same regardless. DX12 and Mantle have no connection at all. And why would they, when DX12 supports multiple IHVs and architectures, whilst Mantle supports only one IHV, and one specific architecture; GCN.
You sound angry. Why is that?
Please stop spreading misinformation. DX12 was in development years before Mantle even existed.
As for "radical", the industry used to code to the metal years ago. It was called DOS and Assembler. Was DOS "radical"? How about x86 assembler?
On Windows DX12 will gain about as much traction as PhysX did, Vulkan even less so. Generally speaking only the biggest AAA engine houses will be able to afford the resources to properly code for DX12. Windows has thousands of games released for it every year, including huge numbers of indie games written using garbage-collected C#/.NET. The industry has been moving away from low level APIs for years.
Even if we take what we have so far, about half of DX12 games have been a shocking failure, running slower and/or buggier than DX11. The mantra "things will get better" doesn't hold given the hardware is ever changing, and DX12 paths will need constant app-side patching to maintain performance advantages for new hardware. Almost every single Mantle game now runs slower than DX11 on newer AMD hardware, yet it's quietly swept under the rug.
We’ve spoken to several sources with additional information on the topic who have told us that Microsoft’s interest in developing a new API is a recent phenomenon, and that the new DirectX (likely DirectX 12) will substantially duplicate the capabilities of AMD’s Mantle. The two APIs won’t be identical — Microsoft is doing its own implementation — but the end result, for consumers, should be the same: lower CPU overhead and better scaling in modern titles.
Mantle and dx12 shared the same doc, same sentences, same info, if dx12 had been in development so long I am sure they would have a whole documentation that been vastly different.
It wasnt.