CRT: A Gaming Guru.

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: MrCoyote
Well my Sony G410R CRT(19" .24-.25dp) is about to go out. It's making intermittent white flashes and humming noise. I'm looking for a replacement, and it will definitely be another CRT. Sony stopped making CRT's, but if I have to, I'll buy one second hand. LCD's with their fixed pixels and that hazy screen coating, just don't look good. Text also looks blocky and jagged. Color reproduction is also very different from CRT's.

People don't seem to realize that CRT's have a micro-fine dot-pitch (phosphors) compared to the one-to-one ratio of the LCD's pixels. LCD's are one to one pixels. The LCD pixels just aren't small enough on today's screens to produce the same image as a CRT. If they could miniaturize the pixels further, to the same size as the individual CRT phosphors, then LCD's would be great.

Anyone know of a good retailer still selling Sony Trinitron CRT monitors? I need a good 19" or 21" replacement.

If I were you, I wouldn't get another Sony if it's going bad. I've had horrible luck with Sony stuff myself and I try to avoid them whenever possible.

I think LCDs are pretty much screwed unless they fix the color problems. The color temperature looks extremely cold as well. Not to mention the color gamut is poor in comparison to CRTs.

If you want a monitor using Sony Trinitron technology, then you won't be disappointed by an NEC Diamondtron monitor. Check this link. This is the most expensive one at $662, but there are others for as low as $245. http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=24-002-012&depa=0

 

[Bateluer]

A lot of companies have ceased making CRTs already. I love my LCD, even with its flaws. The panel I wish to replace it with doesn't have those flaws though, I just don't have the funds to buy it. I guess I will wait for OLEDs to make an appearence.

 

[MrCoyote]

Originally posted by: xtknight
If you want a monitor using Sony Trinitron technology, then you won't be disappointed by an NEC Diamondtron monitor. Check this link. This is the most expensive one at $662, but there are others for as low as $245. http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=24-002-012&depa=0

Before I bought my Sony, I tried two top-of-the-line "professional" NEC 19" monitors. They were crap. Both of them had some type of interference problems. Wavy lines on the screen, no matter where in the house I plugged them in. NEC monitors don't have good enough electromagnetic shielding. At least not the two I tried.

 

[VIAN]

I have a funny thing to say. I CAN'T USE CRTS AT RESOLUTIONS OVER 1024x748. The text gets really blurry and flickery and hard to read. And this happens on every CRT monitor I've ever used. Ever. So I'm stuck at 800x600 on CRTs. LCDs, however, are fine. I think that's a big advantage LCDs have.

That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. maybe you should buy bigger CRTs, such as 17" or so. Or maybe you just have a REALLY retarded video card.

Before I bought my Sony, I tried two top-of-the-line "professional" NEC 19" monitors. They were crap. Both of them had some type of interference problems. Wavy lines on the screen, no matter where in the house I plugged them in. NEC monitors don't have good enough electromagnetic shielding. At least not the two I tried.

Someone should bomb Sony HQ and get it over with. They suck. The HATE...

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: alexandernevsky

Originally posted by: alexandernevsky
Heres what the real answer from Nec / Mitsubishi should read:
"There is still a substantial market demand for CRT products, for their superior image quality. [...] create a situation where indeed it is no longer sensible to market the CRT. For the time being we shall meet the demand for CRT monitors by selling off existing stocks with refurbished monitors sold as new in lesser market share areas (countries), while simultaneously cutting respective production and service staff [...] Don't hesitate to contact us for further assistance"

hope its legal to quote myself...

Yeah, but... is what NEC is doing legal? That's kind of disturbing that they would say that to the public. Guess they mean that they will be dumping their remaining refurb inventory stock in 3rd-world countries and washing their hands of the mainstream CRT biz. So sad.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Zebo
right, do I still get the free AA and free blurry effect on text too when when using multiple resolutions like LCD has with these new techs?

But at some point, screen resolution will stop going up (unless screens start getting significantly larger), and even 'low-end' video cards will catch up to the point where you can run just about anything at any native resolution. And on top of that, many people find the scaling on newer LCDs very acceptable (or at least a heck of a lot less ugly than on the first few generations of panels). You probably wouldn't want to run a scaled resolution for text work on your desktop -- but *why* would you want to do that in the first place?

I really hope that screen resolutions don't stop going up, I was looking forward to a consumer model LCD panel based on the same tech as IBM's prototype 300dpi "paper-like" ultra-high-res LCD screens. That's the area that I wish the displays would move to, that would be incredible. If gaming performance is a problem, then have the LCD controlled chip accept a lower-res signal, and just do raw pixel-multiplying (x2/x2, x3/x3, x4/x4), with no "blurring", and then let the video card's AA and whatnot handle things instead. In that way, you would get the same sort of gaming "look" as you would on todays 75/90DPI LCD screens at whatever resolution todays game's run at. IOW, that way the ultra-high-res DPI LCD doesn't slow down gaming performance by forcing pushing too many pixels around at the video-card level, while still providing a much superior 2D low-motion text/image display capability. That's a few years off at best though.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: PhilipPip
Following consumption trends, most of the online and print reviewers seem to have given up examining CRTs. Many sites and magazines haven't given serious consideration to CRTs since 2003.
I'm rather upset that, long before LCD 'catches up' with CRT, the display manufactures are forcing me to convert, ready or not.

I wonder how much of this exit from the CRT biz, is also driven by environmental factors, there are some new-ish laws being passed to completely and totally ban lead in products in some Euro countries, and I'm sure that the mfgs may not be happy about the dumping/"recycling" fee being tacked on, either to them or consumers, in many states when purchasing or disposing of a CRT. (Although the fee is there for a good reason.) Maybe it is time to dump the "dirty" CRT, but I still think that they are mostly tops for display-quality and response time, it will be a long time before something can truely totally replace/surpass them.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: doublejbass
$90 is too much?

Yes it is. I said $80. $80.01 would be too much.

*EDIT* Actually that's what I paid for my 17 inch CRT that I'm perfectly happy with. Of course I'd like a bigger one, wouldn't we all? But I'd rather have an Athlon-64 than a quality $400 LCD monitor for gaming.

 

[Kristi2k]

Originally posted by: wolfman579
Oh wait a minute, I just saw this review saying it's for "casual gamers", I'm not a casual gamer in the least, if I had a new monitor and power supply right now, I would be playing games, not wasting time on these forums.

I don't know for sure, but I think anyone who says this monitor is for hardcore gamers, is kidding themselves. I wish newegg didn't have a 15% restocking fee so I could return this monitor if I didn't like it.

Don't take CNET's reviews seriously. Read this review:
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/vie...b&page=1&cookie_test=1

 

[Patrick Wolf]

All this LCD frenzy going on is frustrating, and I don't have the resources to deal with it.

So I finally chose my new monitor, NEC MultiSync FE2111SB-BK.

I'll be ordering it later today for $473 w/ free ground shipping. I'd like to see an LCD that can beat or match this monster!......because you can't, that LCD doesn't exist.

Maybe in future....but by than some other technology will probably dominate.

 

[rise]

jeesh, you disappeared for a while

thats a sweet monitor, too big for me tho. i'm finally happy with my l90d+

 

[imported_humey]

I aint reading through all these pages to see if anyone has mentioned Shallow CRT due in 2006 from Samsung.

I for one will never game on a tftlcd i will stick with my 22" crt till the Shallow CRT's.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Originally posted by: rise4310
jeesh, you disappeared for a while

thats a sweet monitor, too big for me tho. i'm finally happy with my l90d+

Yup, I didn't need any more help or info, so I vanished.

But now it's finally time for my new monitor, and I just wanted to hear from people who think a HIGH QUALITY CRT is still the best, reguardless of it's massive size of weight.

 

[Hyperlite]

Originally posted by: wolfman579
All this LCD frenzy going on is frustrating, and I don't have the resources to deal with it.

So I finally chose my new monitor, NEC MultiSync FE2111SB-BK.

I'll be ordering it later today for $473 w/ free ground shipping. I'd like to see an LCD that can beat or match this monster!......because you can't, that LCD doesn't exist.

Maybe in future....but by than some other technology will probably dominate.

Man i bet that thing has a sweet picture...

 

[Elfear]

I think high-quality crt's are great but try lugging one of those monsters to a lan party! My brother had a 21" 75lb beast that would about break you trying to take it in and out of a car or up and down stairs. I'd rather have a little less quality and save my back.

You can always take a smaller monitor to the lan parties but that's like driving a Viper everyday and than when you're buddies want to race you, you come pulling up in the wife's Miata. Just not quite as fun. A high-quality lcd really seems to fit the bill in that case.

 

[HeaterCore]

Originally posted by: wolfman579

Originally posted by: rise4310
jeesh, you disappeared for a while

thats a sweet monitor, too big for me tho. i'm finally happy with my l90d+

Yup, I didn't need any more help or info, so I vanished.

But now it's finally time for my new monitor, and I just wanted to hear from people who think a HIGH QUALITY CRT is still the best, reguardless of it's massive size of weight.

Right with you. I picked up a Sony Multiscan G500 21-incher for $100 off of a local graphic design firm that was going out of business (thanks, Craigslist!) and I couldn't be happier. No LCD can touch the resolution, clarity, brightness or color accuracy, plain and simple.

To be fair, though, I gotta admit that the damned thing is a monster, checking in at almost 80 pounds and a foot-and-a-half deep. If I was concerned with space, weight, or even power consumption I might be tempted by an LCD.

Luckily, I'm an American -- so the bigger, badder, and more wasteful, the better.

-hc-

 

[Zebo]

wolfman, this whole thread is only 1 page for me.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Zebo
wolfman, this whole thread is only 1 page for me.

and it's only just starting on page 2 for me...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: wolfman579
All this LCD frenzy going on is frustrating, and I don't have the resources to deal with it.

So I finally chose my new monitor, NEC MultiSync FE2111SB-BK.

I'll be ordering it later today for $473 w/ free ground shipping. I'd like to see an LCD that can beat or match this monster!......because you can't, that LCD doesn't exist.

Maybe in future....but by than some other technology will probably dominate.

The 2141 is better because it has U-NX gun. Better convergence and better bright.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: Zebo
wolfman, this whole thread is only 1 page for me.

and it's only just starting on page 2 for me...

Oh, I forgot some people change their posts per page, oh well.....

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: wolfman579
All this LCD frenzy going on is frustrating, and I don't have the resources to deal with it.

So I finally chose my new monitor, NEC MultiSync FE2111SB-BK.

I'll be ordering it later today for $473 w/ free ground shipping. I'd like to see an LCD that can beat or match this monster!......because you can't, that LCD doesn't exist.

Maybe in future....but by than some other technology will probably dominate.

The 2141 is better because it has U-NX gun. Better convergence and better bright.

Really? How much better convergence and brightness?

 

[CP5670]

I ordered a mitsubishi 2070 (same thing as NEC 2141) just yesterday for $642 shipped. The factory settings apparently aren't very good (especially the "hidden" focus controls) but if you take the time to configure everything it's supposed to be the best monitor out there.

I personally have never been very impressed with LCDs. They look stylish and display sharper text (not necessarily better, since it's still too small for my eyes and changing the windows font size screws up other stuff) but I don't think that is worth all the tradeoffs and the higher cost. They are probably more suitable for office computers than home/gaming ones. I generally only have time to play games at night and I turn off the lights; the difference in game IQ between LCDs and CRTs really becomes apparent when it's dark. Even mid-range CRTs like the one I have now display shadows in games significantly better than the top LCDs.

The thread is still on the first page here.

 

[Zebo]

Actually LCD's are cheaper than 22" D Pros.

Maybe the LCD uses will swicth back again cause it costs more. Some people are like that you know.