Crucial MX300

[arandomguy]

Already listed on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300...&qid=1461466681&sr=8-1&keywords=crucial+mx300

Assuming listing is accurate looks like MX300 will be using atypical capacities, 750GB in this case, in account of the atypical die capacity. Dynamic write acceleration carry over from MX200? TLC NAND is no surprise.

What might be worrying is

MX300 750GB (presumably 16 dies)

Sequential reads/writes up to 530/510 MB/s and random reads/writes up to 92k/83k on all file types

MX200 250GB (16 dies)

• Sequential reads/writes up to 555 / 500 MB/s on all file types
• Random reads/writes up to 100k / 87k IOPS

BX200 actually had higher official specs than BX100 aside from random read IOPS And if you are wondering MX200 had higher specs across the board officially than MX100.

 

[Elixer]

Yeah, saw this on newegg the other day as well... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820156124

They list this again:

Power Loss Protection completes write commands even if power is lost

I really, really hope this isn't a race to the bottom.

 

[Soulkeeper]

the tlc is a bit of a let down for me, I'm guessing there will be an mlc version soon after ?
m.2 nvme 3d nand mlc would be nice
samsung complete dominance is getting kinda boring

 

[Coup27]

Surprised they are doing a 750GB. Samsung binned that off because people just bought 1TB instead.

 

[hojnikb]

Surprised they are doing a 750GB. Samsung binned that off because people just bought 1TB instead.

Thats the consequence of 384Gbit dies.

 

[hhhd1]

It is 3d-TLC though, not just TLC, but still a let down.

 

[hojnikb]

I would expect 3d tlc for a BX300, not MX300

 

[Hellhammer]

The 384Gbit die is TLC. MLC is 256Gbit. For now we don't know for sure which the MX300 uses, though, as 750GB is perfectly possible with 256Gbit dies as well.

 

[arandomguy]

Newegg listing states TLC. This also fits what was reported - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10246/micron-presents-new-ssds-and-strategy

Newegg also states it will use the Marvell 88SS1074 controller.

 

[R0H1T]

Newegg listing states TLC. This also fits what was reported - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10246/micron-presents-new-ssds-and-strategy

Newegg also states it will use the Marvell 88SS1074 controller.

Maybe they just copy pasted from AT :hmm:

 

[jaydee]

I like 750GB capacity. $150 for the 500GB 850 EVO and $350 for the 1TB, if Crucial can hit $200-$225 for 750GB, with ~90% of the performance, they've got a winner. Now let's see the reviews and pricing.

 

[cbn]

I wonder how low on the capacity they will go with these?

Interestingly enough each of the dies has four planes.

 

[Hellhammer]

I wonder how low on the capacity they will go with these?

Interestingly enough each of the dies has four planes.

Four-plane design is mandatory for such a large die with current SSD capacities, especially given that the cell-level performance of Micron 3D NAND doesn't look too good.

http://m.chinaflashmarket.com/news/industry/152396

 

[VirtualLarry]

I REALLY hope that the TLC spec is in error for the MX300. Otherwise, this would be a first, to have an MX-series drive with TLC rather than MLC.

 

[lehtv]

I REALLY hope that the TLC spec is in error for the MX300. Otherwise, this would be a first, to have an MX-series drive with TLC rather than MLC.

I highly doubt it's an error, given that BX series also has a TLC based SSD and an MLC based one. Crucial's naming logic just doesn't seem to have much to do with NAND type.

 

[Soulkeeper]

I REALLY hope that the TLC spec is in error for the MX300. Otherwise, this would be a first, to have an MX-series drive with TLC rather than MLC.

yeah, but they've made a budget drive with the mx naming before with the mx100
I guess that wasn't tlc, but it was budget 4 channel

Seems like crucial has a marketing issue, confusing the highend and the lowend, also the micron branded ones aren't much different

 

[PliotronX]

So now the MX line is going to have a revision slower than its predecessor as well? Oh my heart hurts.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So now the MX line is going to have a revision slower than its predecessor as well? Oh my heart hurts.

Race to the Bottom... race to the bottom. (New 3D NAND leading the charge!)

 

[JimmiG]

I like 750GB capacity. $150 for the 500GB 850 EVO and $350 for the 1TB, if Crucial can hit $200-$225 for 750GB, with ~90% of the performance, they've got a winner. Now let's see the reviews and pricing.

Yeah the capacity makes sense. With video cards, it seems there's one at every $10 pricing bracket, but going from 500GB to 1TB to 2TB SSD's, the price difference is quite large (in absolute terms, not necessarily in $/GB). A 1.5TB model would also be nice as a stepping stone between 1TB and the ridiculously expensive 2TB drives.

 

[Elixer]

Race to the Bottom... race to the bottom. (New 3D NAND leading the charge!)

This really irks me, but apparently all people care about is price these days.
Who cares about reliability.

I am hoping NAND replacement comes sooner rather than later.

 

[Topweasel]

This really irks me, but apparently all people care about is price these days.
Who cares about reliability.

I am hoping NAND replacement comes sooner rather than later.

It's all in the process size to use. I personally think that using TLC on 3d nand seems completely pointless. But if the process is a large on like Samsung (40nm), then it doesn't matter if it is TLC at least for reason's we worry about TLC. Data retention and write allowance will be through the roof.

 

[hojnikb]

Four-plane design is mandatory for such a large die with current SSD capacities, especially given that the cell-level performance of Micron 3D NAND doesn't look too good.

http://m.chinaflashmarket.com/news/industry/152396

wow, does ldpc have such an impact on endurance with 2d flash aswell ?

although mlc endurance doesnt seems all that good, if its fabbed at 4x nm process.

 

[Topweasel]

wow, does ldpc have such an impact on endurance with 2d flash aswell ?

although mlc endurance doesnt seems all that good, if its fabbed at 4x nm process.

Wow I should have read that diagram more before my post. What process are they doing that on? That is just terrible endurance.

 

[R0H1T]

This really irks me, but apparently all people care about is price these days.
Who cares about reliability.

I am hoping NAND replacement comes sooner rather than later.

Reliability has very little to do with the type of NAND in question, TLC vs MLC, except the fringe cases of 840 (Evo) & more to do with controller & firmware. 3D NAND, I suspect, will forever change the common perception about TLC, even though MLC & SLC will always remain superior to it.

 

[Glaring_Mistake]

wow, does ldpc have such an impact on endurance with 2d flash aswell ?

although mlc endurance doesnt seems all that good, if its fabbed at 4x nm process.

It may be based on controllers claiming to be able to improve the endurance by up to three times through use of techniques like NANDXtend and NANDEdge.
NANDEdge being the one used in the controller in the BX300.

But Lite-on and Plextor have SSDs using Toshiba/SanDisk 19/15nm TLC NAND respectively that claim to have a total of 2000 write cycles using LDPC which is said to increase endurance by 33%.
With one using the same controller as BX300 and the other using a newer revision of it.

So they do not claim as much of an improvement due to LDPC but still claim to have just as many write cycles using 15nm 2D TLC NAND combined with BCH ECC as 40+nm 3D TLC NAND using LDPC.
Which feels a bit counterintuitive.