Cruiser Bike - New to Motorcycling UPDATE: CRASHED

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Zargon

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get better OP

then go buy a cheap Japanese standard from the 70/80s for 700 bucks and cut your teeth on that before going to back to you r700lb gorilla
 

PricklyPete

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The only other advice I can give to a new rider is to pretend every other vehicle is trying to kill you. It's defensive driving to the extreme.


And this is exactly why I have no interest in motorcycles...takes all the fun out of it.

Sorry to hear about the accident OP.
 
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Ouch. Hope you heal up quick.

You have to learn a sort of 6th sense for danger when on a motorcycle. It's not something you know right off the bat.

Honestly, if you end up spooked, you may want to put it aside for awhile.

If the damage isn't serious don't report it. An accident as a new rider can really screw up your rates.
 

pauldun170

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Thanks for the words of encouragement. At this point, I need all I can get.

I would agree, its sounds like I low-sided it with the front brake locking up while making a turn. My bad, but it still sucks that some asshole started the situation. But like all accidents, you remove one factor and the accident never happened.

I think the damage is going to amount to $1000-$1500 maybe even $2000 depending on labor. The saddle bag, light bar, crash bar, and fork cover probably together cost around $800-$1000. Plus the labor to change em out. I will check on the helmet, would be nice to get a replacement paid for (that's $300 right there). And also, I'd like it looked over by an expert to make sure that nothing else is bent or damaged. The large bolt holding the crash bar on the right side (and also holds on the floor board) was pretty bent and that concerns me. Granted the frame is much more sturdy than a long bolt but I want to be sure. I don't need anything else to think about when/if I get back out there.

Post some picks of the damage.
Based on your description, I'm assuming its all DIY items with the exception of paint scratches.

My vote is that if it rides ok, leave it as is. Fix it later when you get all you noob accidents out the way (Driveway tip overs, sandy corner spills...etc etc)
 

jdoggg12

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Aug 20, 2005
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You gotta be insane to ride a motorcycle in a sea of cars, suvs, busses and trucks.

I have to assume the experience of riding must be AMAZING, or there are a lot of stupid/wreckless people willing to do it.

For the most part, riding is in your blood or it isn't. I went down on my R6 a number of years ago. I broke my neck and back, broke several ribs, collapsed lung, severed my arm, compound fracture of my femur (it poked through my leather track pants), shattered my knee... I died of blood loss, albeit I flatlined for only 30-40 seconds (19 units of blood in the 8 hrs on the operating table).

I just bought my first bike since. I picked up a WR250X supermoto. I moved the clutch to the right side and do all handlebar controls with my right hand.


People call me crazy, my family worries like hell, and I'm scared to death while i'm out there. But it's worth it. I never feel more alive than when i'm out riding. The sensation of it and the people I meet create memories that simple don't fade or tarnish, despite what i've been through. I found this passage some time ago and think 90%+ of riders will agree with everything it says...

There is cold, and there is cold on a motorcycle. Cold on a motorcycle is like being beaten with cold hammers while being kicked with cold boots, a bone bruising cold. The wind's big hands squeeze the heat out of my body and whisk it away; caught in a cold October rain, the drops don't even feel like water. They feel like shards of bone fallen from the skies of Hell to pock my face. I expect to arrive with my cheeks and forehead streaked with blood, but that's just an illusion, just the misery of nerves not designed for highway speeds.

Despite this, it's hard to give up my motorcycle in the fall and I rush to get it on the road again in the spring; lapses of sanity like this are common among motorcyclists. When you let a motorcycle into your life you're changed forever. The letters "MC" are stamped on your driver's license right next to your sex and weight as if "motorcycle" was just another of your physical characteristics, or maybe a mental condition. But when warm weather finally does come around all those cold snaps and rainstorms are paid in full because a summer is worth any price.

A motorcycle is not just a two-wheeled car; the difference between driving a car and climbing onto a motorcycle is the difference between watching TV and actually living your life. We spend all our time sealed in boxes, and cars are just the rolling boxes that shuffle us from home-box to work-box to store-box and back, the whole time, entombed in stale air, temperature regulated, sound insulated, and smelling of carpets.


On a motorcycle I know I'm alive. When I ride, even the familiar seems strange and glorious. The air has weight and substance as I push through it and its touch is as intimate as water to a swimmer. I feel the cool wells of air that pool under trees and the warm spokes of sun that fall through them. I can see everything in a sweeping 360 degrees, up, down and around, wider than Pana-Vision and IMAX and unrestricted by ceiling or dashboard.

Sometimes I even hear music. It's like hearing phantom telephones in the shower or false doorbells when vacuuming; the pattern-loving brain, seeking signals in the noise, raises acoustic ghosts out of the wind's roar. But on a motorcycle I hear whole songs: rock 'n roll, dark orchestras, women's voices, all hidden in the air and released by speed. At 30 miles per hour and up, smells become uncannily vivid. All the individual tree-smells and flower-smells and grass-smells flit by like chemical notes in a great plant symphony. Sometimes the smells evoke memories so strongly that it's as though the past hangs invisible in the air around me, wanting only the most casual of rumbling time machines to unlock it.

A ride on a summer afternoon can border on the rapturous.

The sheer volume and variety of stimuli is like a bath for my nervous system, an electrical massage for my brain, a systems check for my soul. It tears smiles out of me: a minute ago I was dour, depressed, apathetic, numb, but now, on two wheels, big, ragged, windy smiles flap against the side of my face, billowing out of me like air from a decompressing plane.

Transportation is only a secondary function. A motorcycle is a joy machine. It's a machine of wonders, a metal bird, a motorized prosthetic. It's light and dark and shiny and dirty and warm and cold lapping over each other; it's a conduit of grace, it's a catalyst for bonding the gritty and the holy. I still think of myself as a motorcycle amateur, but by now I've had a "Few" bikes over 30 years and slept under my share of bridges.

I wouldn't trade one second of either the good times or the misery.

Learning to ride one of the best things I've done.

Cars lie to us and tell us we're safe, powerful, and in control. The air-conditioning fans murmur empty assurances and whisper, "Sleep, sleep." Motorcycles tell us a more useful truth: we are small and exposed, and probably moving too fast for our own good, but that's no reason not to enjoy every minute of the ride.

OP, I hope you have a quick recovery and that it hasn't shaken your resolve too much!
 

OVerLoRDI

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Jan 22, 2006
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OP I had a very similar experience. Thankfully the main damage was pride...

Bought the bike, made it about a mile, made a right turn, locked the front, fell over. Since the bike was on a hill, I couldn't get it up very easily. Struggled, got it up, pushed it too far and drop it on the other side (ouch). Not fun and definitely embarrassing.

What I did was get some more seat time. I found a guy in my area that was highly recommended as a motorcycle instructor and he took me through the basics and got me a lot of seat time. The progress you can make with some good 1:1 instruction is incredible. I went from being, like you are now, to conquering my fear and getting back on the bike in a weekend.

Another thing you have to remember is that crashing is part of motorcycle riding. Not that you shouldn't be concerned about safety and constantly be pushing yourself to become a better rider, but you will crash again most likely. Motorcycles are challenging to control and have this annoying habit of falling over (I think it is a two wheeled thing). Don't let it ruin your riding future, but definitely learn from it. Take active steps to improve yourself, get some more training, conquer your fear and enjoy riding.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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There is cold, and there is cold on a motorcycle. Cold on a motorcycle is like being beaten with cold hammers while being kicked with cold boots, a bone bruising cold. The wind's big hands squeeze the heat out of my body and whisk it away; caught in a cold October rain, the drops don't even feel like water. They feel like shards of bone fallen from the skies of Hell to pock my face. I expect to arrive with my cheeks and forehead streaked with blood, but that's just an illusion, just the misery of nerves not designed for highway speeds.

Despite this, it's hard to give up my motorcycle in the fall and I rush to get it on the road again in the spring; lapses of sanity like this are common among motorcyclists. When you let a motorcycle into your life you're changed forever. The letters "MC" are stamped on your driver's license right next to your sex and weight as if "motorcycle" was just another of your physical characteristics, or maybe a mental condition. But when warm weather finally does come around all those cold snaps and rainstorms are paid in full because a summer is worth any price.

A motorcycle is not just a two-wheeled car; the difference between driving a car and climbing onto a motorcycle is the difference between watching TV and actually living your life. We spend all our time sealed in boxes, and cars are just the rolling boxes that shuffle us from home-box to work-box to store-box and back, the whole time, entombed in stale air, temperature regulated, sound insulated, and smelling of carpets.

On a motorcycle I know I'm alive. When I ride, even the familiar seems strange and glorious. The air has weight and substance as I push through it and its touch is as intimate as water to a swimmer. I feel the cool wells of air that pool under trees and the warm spokes of sun that fall through them. I can see everything in a sweeping 360 degrees, up, down and around, wider than Pana-Vision and IMAX and unrestricted by ceiling or dashboard.

Sometimes I even hear music. It's like hearing phantom telephones in the shower or false doorbells when vacuuming; the pattern-loving brain, seeking signals in the noise, raises acoustic ghosts out of the wind's roar. But on a motorcycle I hear whole songs: rock 'n roll, dark orchestras, women's voices, all hidden in the air and released by speed. At 30 miles per hour and up, smells become uncannily vivid. All the individual tree-smells and flower-smells and grass-smells flit by like chemical notes in a great plant symphony. Sometimes the smells evoke memories so strongly that it's as though the past hangs invisible in the air around me, wanting only the most casual of rumbling time machines to unlock it.

A ride on a summer afternoon can border on the rapturous.

The sheer volume and variety of stimuli is like a bath for my nervous system, an electrical massage for my brain, a systems check for my soul. It tears smiles out of me: a minute ago I was dour, depressed, apathetic, numb, but now, on two wheels, big, ragged, windy smiles flap against the side of my face, billowing out of me like air from a decompressing plane.

Transportation is only a secondary function. A motorcycle is a joy machine. It's a machine of wonders, a metal bird, a motorized prosthetic. It's light and dark and shiny and dirty and warm and cold lapping over each other; it's a conduit of grace, it's a catalyst for bonding the gritty and the holy. I still think of myself as a motorcycle amateur, but by now I've had a "Few" bikes over 30 years and slept under my share of bridges.

I wouldn't trade one second of either the good times or the misery.

Learning to ride one of the best things I've done.

Cars lie to us and tell us we're safe, powerful, and in control. The air-conditioning fans murmur empty assurances and whisper, "Sleep, sleep." Motorcycles tell us a more useful truth: we are small and exposed, and probably moving too fast for our own good, but that's no reason not to enjoy every minute of the ride.

:thumbsup: I couldn't possibly agree more. You either get it or you don't.

Motorcycling is why cars bore me now and why I don't mind having a numb, comfortable, fuel-efficient conveyance to transport me to and from work.

Everytime we go out to Palm Springs I send the wife and kid in the cage and I hop on the Duc and take the mountain route. Other times friends of mine and I will take a few hours on the weekend and just ride up to the town of Julian to have a slice of apple pie and ride back or go hit Palomar for a run up to Mother's Kitchen for lunch.
 
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OVerLoRDI

Diamond Member
Jan 22, 2006
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There is cold, and there is cold on a motorcycle. Cold on a motorcycle is like being beaten with cold hammers while being kicked with cold boots, a bone bruising cold. The wind's big hands squeeze the heat out of my body and whisk it away; caught in a cold October rain, the drops don't even feel like water. They feel like shards of bone fallen from the skies of Hell to pock my face. I expect to arrive with my cheeks and forehead streaked with blood, but that's just an illusion, just the misery of nerves not designed for highway speeds.

Despite this, it's hard to give up my motorcycle in the fall and I rush to get it on the road again in the spring; lapses of sanity like this are common among motorcyclists. When you let a motorcycle into your life you're changed forever. The letters "MC" are stamped on your driver's license right next to your sex and weight as if "motorcycle" was just another of your physical characteristics, or maybe a mental condition. But when warm weather finally does come around all those cold snaps and rainstorms are paid in full because a summer is worth any price.

A motorcycle is not just a two-wheeled car; the difference between driving a car and climbing onto a motorcycle is the difference between watching TV and actually living your life. We spend all our time sealed in boxes, and cars are just the rolling boxes that shuffle us from home-box to work-box to store-box and back, the whole time, entombed in stale air, temperature regulated, sound insulated, and smelling of carpets.


On a motorcycle I know I'm alive. When I ride, even the familiar seems strange and glorious. The air has weight and substance as I push through it and its touch is as intimate as water to a swimmer. I feel the cool wells of air that pool under trees and the warm spokes of sun that fall through them. I can see everything in a sweeping 360 degrees, up, down and around, wider than Pana-Vision and IMAX and unrestricted by ceiling or dashboard.

Sometimes I even hear music. It's like hearing phantom telephones in the shower or false doorbells when vacuuming; the pattern-loving brain, seeking signals in the noise, raises acoustic ghosts out of the wind's roar. But on a motorcycle I hear whole songs: rock 'n roll, dark orchestras, women's voices, all hidden in the air and released by speed. At 30 miles per hour and up, smells become uncannily vivid. All the individual tree-smells and flower-smells and grass-smells flit by like chemical notes in a great plant symphony. Sometimes the smells evoke memories so strongly that it's as though the past hangs invisible in the air around me, wanting only the most casual of rumbling time machines to unlock it.

A ride on a summer afternoon can border on the rapturous.

The sheer volume and variety of stimuli is like a bath for my nervous system, an electrical massage for my brain, a systems check for my soul. It tears smiles out of me: a minute ago I was dour, depressed, apathetic, numb, but now, on two wheels, big, ragged, windy smiles flap against the side of my face, billowing out of me like air from a decompressing plane.

Transportation is only a secondary function. A motorcycle is a joy machine. It's a machine of wonders, a metal bird, a motorized prosthetic. It's light and dark and shiny and dirty and warm and cold lapping over each other; it's a conduit of grace, it's a catalyst for bonding the gritty and the holy. I still think of myself as a motorcycle amateur, but by now I've had a "Few" bikes over 30 years and slept under my share of bridges.

I wouldn't trade one second of either the good times or the misery.

Learning to ride one of the best things I've done.

Cars lie to us and tell us we're safe, powerful, and in control. The air-conditioning fans murmur empty assurances and whisper, "Sleep, sleep." Motorcycles tell us a more useful truth: we are small and exposed, and probably moving too fast for our own good, but that's no reason not to enjoy every minute of the ride.

Awesome quote and so true. I agree with Jules. I used to love my old BMW, and while it is a great car and has lots of memories, I keep thinking about how much money I could get for it towards a new/another motorcycle.

Man I think I'm going to sneak out of work a bit early and go visit the Marin headlands this evening. Wife isn't off work until 8? Throw her helmet in the top case and pick her up on the way home. I wonder if I can make it from SF to 128 and back south again before 8.. hmmmm
 

jdoggg12

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I work in Richmond, CA and am always looking for people to ride with and places to ride... just sayin'
 

xBiffx

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Crash bar bent all out of shape. The chrome is cracking all over it.


Saddle bag all scratched and scuffed.



Fork cover bent from the light bar hitting it when it got bent.



I ended up cleaning everything up myself. I was able to repair/bend/polish up the light bar and now it looks like new. Also, I polished up the saddle bag with mink oil. It looks a whole lot better. Still scratched but I can live with it, I mean it still works as a saddlebag after all. Found an OEM crash bar on Amazon for $160 so I ordered that to replace the busted up one. I think I can get a new fork cover for about $120 and get a friend to help me change it out. That is purely costmetic and I might just leave it for now.

I went ahead and cancelled the claim with the insurance. They were making it a pain because all sorts of flags got raised due to the timing (1 hour) between policy purchase and claim. So they went ahead and cancelled the claim, no harm, no foul.

Again, I really want to say thanks to all those who showed support and encouragement. It is amazingly helpful and its helping me regain some confidence. I think I'm going to go back out here in a few and just ride around the neighborhood and down to a Lowe's parking lot to do some more practice. Its only about 1 mile away and its pretty huge and empty towards the back.
 

jdoggg12

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Looks good! Glad you're hopping right back in the saddle! I don't remember seeing, did you do the MSF course?
 

xBiffx

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Looks good! Glad you're hopping right back in the saddle! I don't remember seeing, did you do the MSF course?

Yep, just this last weekend. Then I got my license on Monday. Then got the bike on Wednesday, crashed Wednesday night.

Its been an eventful week. Good thing I've got a race to go to tonight and tomorrow at Iowa speedway. I need a break and a distraction. I've got plenty of beers ahead of me this weekend!
 

JulesMaximus

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Yep, just this last weekend. Then I got my license on Monday. Then got the bike on Wednesday, crashed Wednesday night.

Its been an eventful week. Good thing I've got a race to go to tonight and tomorrow at Iowa speedway. I need a break and a distraction. I've got plenty of beers ahead of me this weekend!

Glad you are feeling better about all of this.

Just make sure you don't take that bike out after you've had a few beers. That is a recipe for disaster.
 

halik

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How did you lay the bike on the right side when you where turning left?
 

xBiffx

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How did you lay the bike on the right side when you where turning left?

When the driver pull out and started to cut me off, my first reaction was to turn back to the right to avoid. Then I hit the brakes because I was headed right for the curb/stop sight in front of me. Obviously the bike wasn't straight at that point so it then went over.

I don't recall every detail but I think this is what happened.
 

xBiffx

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Got back out on the bike a couple of times this weekend. I may have a few more repairs to do (bent footpad mount and such). I am getting my confidence back. Went down to the Lowe's parking lot a couple of times to practice slow maneuvers and clutch control for an hour or so. This was very, very helpful.

I may conquer this thing yet.
 
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Got back out on the bike a couple of times this weekend. I may have a few more repairs to do (bent footpad mount and such). I am getting my confidence back. Went down to the Lowe's parking lot a couple of times to practice slow maneuvers and clutch control for an hour or so. This was very, very helpful.

I may conquer this thing yet.


I suggest riding very early Saturday and Sunday mornings. Get up at the crack of dawn, and get back before the crazies go shopping and to church.


Stick with it!! Statistically, you are likely to have a mild drop when you're learning how to ride. You already got yours over with. Always wear gear, always look twice, do not let someone try to give you the right of way or be rushed.

But most of all, learn to master your 'sixth sense of detecting danger'
 

unokitty

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Got back out on the bike a couple of times this weekend. I may have a few more repairs to do (bent footpad mount and such). I am getting my confidence back. Went down to the Lowe's parking lot a couple of times to practice slow maneuvers and clutch control for an hour or so. This was very, very helpful.

I may conquer this thing yet.


Glad that you are okay.

I've always felt that the "Hurt Report" was the best motorcycle safety study that I had ever seen.
The Hurt Report summarized accident findings related to motorcycle crashes into a 55-point list. Among the major points: two-thirds of motorcycle-car crashes occurred when the car driver failed to see the approaching motorcycle and violated the rider's right-of-way.

I agree with the Professor when he says:
The more time goes by, the less things look different. Riders today have the same sort of accidents as riders in the 1970s, except that today they crash much more expensive bikes.

Anyway, glad you are okay and that you are riding again.

Best of luck,
Uno
 

pauldun170

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I suggest riding very early Saturday and Sunday mornings. Get up at the crack of dawn, and get back before the crazies go shopping and to church.


Stick with it!! Statistically, you are likely to have a mild drop when you're learning how to ride. You already got yours over with. Always wear gear, always look twice, do not let someone try to give you the right of way or be rushed.

But most of all, learn to master your 'sixth sense of detecting danger'

This

I made the switch to early morning weekend riding years ago.
My goal is to leave when its still dark and to get to my riding area prior to sunrise.
I'm a better rider for it.
When I leave the house, the only things I have to worry about are deer and squishy critters.
I'm able to focus on technique. Body positioning in corners, practicing panic stops.
I am able to enjoy the scenery and the road.
No cars
No cops
NOBODY to distract.

Mid to late in the ride I have to worry about roving packs of Lance Armstrong wannabes but that's only a concern in the twisties and only when I'm riding at a good clip. For general cruising around they are no big deal.
Around 9AM, I'm usually home with 3-4 hours riding in.
 

mmntech

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And this is exactly why I have no interest in motorcycles...takes all the fun out of it.

Sorry to hear about the accident OP.

Yep, most of the folks driving the big SUVs don't even keep an eye out for cars, let alone motorcycles.

I regularly see idiots tailgating motorcycles as well. I always give them plenty of space. A bike can stop on a dime, cars and SUVs can't. Really puts riders in a sticky situation, especially in traffic when they can't exactly speed up to get the jerk off their arse. I have friends who ride but I never would myself, for that reason. Too dangerous. As a result, insurance is through the roof too.

Of course the SQUIDs on the pocket rockets aren't exactly helping keep the accident rate down. Tearing up the highway at 200km/h wearing only a helmet and a lotta luck. Even the Angels wear full leathers.
 
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