Cruz: I’m a Christian first, American second

[dclevy1]

That's fine to value your beliefs more importantly than your brief mortal life, just don't run for POTUS. POTUS is supposed to be doing what is best for the country, not the best for POTUS belief system. Prime example of this is Bush and stem cell research - that was the wrong call, and it was made because of Bush's Christian belief system. Yes they found workarounds to some extents, but, they never should have had to waste the time and resources doing so.

Would you be okay with a president being in office that was an atheist?

 

[bshole]

The way I see it, there is no possible way heaven can exist. No person who is good could possibly be in heaven, because no person who is good could be happy in heaven if even a single person is in hell. For any reason. Good people simply can't abide by others being tormented and tortured. And therefore if no good people can be in heaven, then heaven cannot exist. And ipso facto hell cannot exist.

Dunno about that. If I was in Heaven and not being tortured, I certainly wouldn't sign up to go to Hell. I would feel bad about the people in Hell but I would also feel damn lucky I wasn't down there with them.

Kudos to the genius(es) who came up with the concepts of Heaven and Hell. Those two concepts are probably the main two reasons Christianity is still alive today. They are a very effective carrot and stick. Secular Humanism is all stick all the time for all of humanity..... bloody depressing actually....... you are gonna die and ultimately your existence will be meaningless........ yechhhh!!!

 

[blankslate]

If Sen. Cruz said that then he is not a true American since that statement puts him in opposition to the people who drafted the First Amendment.

OP you are right the fact many people who should call him out on such fundamentalist B.S. choose not to is shameful

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[Cerpin Taxt]

Off topic: Who is this guy? I see him in memes but I have no idea who he be.

Obviously you're not a golfer.

 

[Grooveriding]

Off topic: Who is this guy? I see him in memes but I have no idea who he be.

The Dude.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

What if the person in hell is getting exactly what they've always wanted?

These are the lies he tells himself to maintain his delusion.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Dunno about that. If I was in Heaven and not being tortured, I certainly wouldn't sign up to go to Hell. I would feel bad about the people in Hell but I would also feel damn lucky I wasn't down there with them.

Kudos to the genius(es) who came up with the concepts of Heaven and Hell. Those two concepts are probably the main two reasons Christianity is still alive today. They are a very effective carrot and stick. Secular Humanism is all stick all the time for all of humanity..... bloody depressing actually....... you are gonna die and ultimately your existence will be meaningless........ yechhhh!!!

The stupidest thing is that it seems God is perfectly capable of creating a state of existence where every person is good and happy and there is no sin. He could have just created everything that way from the get-go but instead he decided everyone should go through the rigamarole of corporeal birth and death so that he could cull a significant proportion of those living things and send them to eternal torment and agony.

But he loves you. Send money.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Obviously you're not a golfer.

:awe: :thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

This was a big issue and maybe still is. I will check into it as I may have been mistaken if the law finally passed. The govt wanted to force all churches to marry homosexual couples if they wanted the church to marry them. If the churches didnt comply they would lose there tax exempt status

No, that certainly never happened here, nor was it ever proposed to happen. Further, it's strange that you recall this being an issue with such certainty.

This tells me that your primary sourcing is lying to you, but you have become comfortable with the stories that emanate from this source over time; perhaps because they have long confirmed certain biases for you, the truth be damned?

That's not an accusation on you, simply an encouragement to re-examine where and how you receive your news. Most sources these days--blogs often confused with journalism, or entertainment that disguises its intent as "journalism," are suspect at best. "What may happen" type of opinion pieces, often passed off as news reporting, tend to clutter the collective mind of what is actually happening around us.

Either you are confusing some ill-informed, highly biases analyst for what they said was "a possible outcome of this law passing (it never was a legal possibility. The opinions of such people were completely invalid, because open speculation in that matter is purely intended to inflame the ignorant); or you read a source that directly reported that such a law was being proposed somewhere. That would constitute a blatant lie, and I doubt this type of thing is passable with any source that is concerned about their own merit. If that is the case, then perhaps do a thorough re-check of your sourcing.

All of society is better served when we no longer trust information sourcing that is known to blatantly lie to us in an effort to manipulate demographic trends and consumer behavior.

 

[Ryland]

Would you be okay with a president being in office that was an atheist?

I would PREFER having an atheist in office vs someone who believes in a sky deity.

 

[zinfamous]

What if the person in hell is getting exactly what they've always wanted?

then there is no point to hell. there is no point to evil.

hell is a story created by man, in many faiths long after that faith was originally born, to validate the necessity of god.

Catholic theology defines Hell as "distance from God."

It is the furthest a soul can be from God; being among its presence is the ultimate goal of any soul, whether or not that soul knows it. (this is all supposed to become clear after death, because of course all religions are equally true in their certainty at the moment of death, when that soul achieves only the one true faith's proper endgame. It's a shame we will never know which one actually wins this race).

suffice it to say, hell can not exist without the need to remain faithful to and in God's good grace--so God could not exist without hell. No human soul could possibly "want hell," because that defies the logic created when God pooped out hell, humans, and the need for his play-doh creations to serve him in his playschool diorama projects. Any human soul that wants hell, when placed in hell, would defy the perfect logic of God's creation.

 

[dclevy1]

I would PREFER having an atheist in office vs someone who believes in a sky deity.

If you knew about Christian the a little bit more you would know that it's not a sky deity. But by our country telling you you can believe in your religion first that's kind of crazy being that our country was built on God.

 

[IronWing]

If you knew about Christian the a little bit more you would know that it's not a sky deity. But by our country telling you you can believe in your religion first that's kind of crazy being that our country was built on God.

I think you might want to consider switching from the Good News to the King James.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If you knew about Christian the a little bit more you would know that it's not a sky deity. But by our country telling you you can believe in your religion first that's kind of crazy being that our country was built on God.

wat?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If you knew about Christian the a little bit more you would know that it's not a sky deity. But by our country telling you you can believe in your religion first that's kind of crazy being that our country was built on God.

Oh, look. A republican.

 

[Moonbeam]

wat?

Turtle God all the way down, doubtlessly.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Turtle God all the way down, doubtlessly.

See the TURTLE of enormous girth!On his shell he holds the earth. His thought is slow but always kind; he holds us all within his mind

 

[bshole]

Turtle God all the way down, doubtlessly.

That reminds me.... I never did get the "Turtles All The Way Down Achievement" in WoW.

 

[chucky2]

Would you be okay with a president being in office that was an atheist?

Sure, no problem with that at all. Same with being a Muslim, or whatever. Their personal beliefs are their personal beliefs - personal. When they swear in and become POTUS, I DGAF about their personal beliefs, those left consideration when they swore in. They now are a public figure with a public job of doing what is best for the country as a whole, their personal beliefs be damned.

Now, they have values that perhaps those beliefs are based off of, and that is where it gets sticky. Bush and stem cells again is a perfect example. And again I'd say they need to be highly careful of applying their values, based sometimes largely off their beliefs, to their actions as POTUS.

This IMO is why people just have such a distrust of Billary: No one that has more than two working brain cells trusts anything that comes out of her mouth. She may be speaking the actual unvarnished truth, or, she may not. She may be twisting or embellishing or tweaking what is correct for her own benefit/goal, or she may not. People want a politician they can at least halfway trust what comes out of their mouth, who actually believes in something not because it gets them what the want/votes, but because they actually believe in it. This is why people like Bernie, because even though someone on the Right has large philosophical differences, Bernie is at least as genuine as you'll ever find in a Politician - he takes the P and replaces it with a p. Trump is the same way, except he's having to perform to get the far Right vote/support so he can get the nomination. Trump as POTUS would be much less disasterous than those on the Left believe.

 

[buckshot24]

then there is no point to hell.

Why?

there is no point to evil.

Why?

hell is a story created by man,

I'm sure you believe this but can you prove it?

in many faiths long after that faith was originally born, to validate the necessity of god.

Interesting theory, any proof?

suffice it to say, hell can not exist without the need to remain faithful to and in God's good grace--so God could not exist without hell. No human soul could possibly "want hell," because that defies the logic created when God pooped out hell, humans, and the need for his play-doh creations to serve him in his playschool diorama projects. Any human soul that wants hell, when placed in hell, would defy the perfect logic of God's creation.

If you don't want anything to do with God here and now why would you want to be with Him for eternity? You will be getting exactly what you want, if you don't repent, when you die.

 

[Jaskalas]

Pandering for votes in an only mildly offensive way.
Compare that to Trump...

 

[buckshot24]

I think you might want to consider switching from the Good News to the King James.

Tip: You should have called it the Authorized Version if you're going to troll.

Carry on.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Why?
Why?
I'm sure you believe this but can you prove it?
Interesting theory, any proof?

Maybe you could lead by example and show us all what such a "proof" would look like. Prove Valhalla doesn't exist, for example.

We'll all be eagerly awaiting your exemplary work.

If you don't want anything to do with God here and now why would you want to be with Him for eternity?

WHAT GOD??

You will be getting exactly what you want, if you don't repent, when you die.

That has to be one of the stupidest tenets of evangelical Christianity, and that's really saying something. To suggest a person "wants" to receive eternal damnation is to abdicate all pretense of rationality. It is not in any way hyperbolic to say that you are quite delusional, and the source of your delusions is religion. How pitiful.

 

[IronWing]

Tip: You should have called it the Authorized Version if you're going to troll.

Carry on.

Never met anyone in real life that called it the authorized version.

 

[buckshot24]

Never met anyone in real life that called it the authorized version.

Gif only replies are not acceptable in P&N.

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