Cryptocoin Mining?

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MrK6

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All of you guys on 7xxx series cards look at grabbing the 12.11 beta's - I'm gettting ~25mhas/sec more at the same clocks (1100MHz). Power consumption seems to be higher too, but I just finished playing BF3 so it's not a true idle number. Will report in a few hours .
 

Binky

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All of you guys on 7xxx series cards look at grabbing the 12.11 beta's - I'm gettting ~25mhas/sec more at the same clocks (1100MHz). Power consumption seems to be higher too, but I just finished playing BF3 so it's not a true idle number. Will report in a few hours .
I tried the 12.11 betas but they ran much hotter with no other changes. I also saw some odd graphic artifacts on the desktop. They were a tiny bit faster in mhash, but the submissions per minute wasn't any higher.

I'm back on 12.6.
 

MrK6

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I tried the 12.11 betas but they ran much hotter with no other changes. I also saw some odd graphic artifacts on the desktop. They were a tiny bit faster in mhash, but the submissions per minute wasn't any higher.

I'm back on 12.6.
Out of curiosity, what card are you using?
 

Elfear

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All of you guys on 7xxx series cards look at grabbing the 12.11 beta's - I'm gettting ~25mhas/sec more at the same clocks (1100MHz). Power consumption seems to be higher too, but I just finished playing BF3 so it's not a true idle number. Will report in a few hours .

I had similar results. System power consumption went up by 10-15W and hash rate went up by ~60Mhash/sec.
 

pm

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My experience matches Binky. I have a Radeon 7850. Switching from 12.10 to 12.11(beta) I'm getting roughly 1% higher hash rates, but I am also seeing some weird artifacting while mining and the temps are running about 4C hotter and I'm seeing ~8W more on my kill-a-watt.
 
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Binky

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My 12.11 driver experience just got worse. This is probably coincidence, but it seems like my displayport output on my 7950 just died. I only had a few minutes to look at it before leaving for work, but it's showing no output even during the initial boot.

My mining temps also stayed elevated (~73-74) after reverting to 12.6 and I saw a few (abnormal) display driver crashes. I must have remnants of the 12.11 drivers. I'll revert to an OS image tonight, but I think my displayport is toast.
 

snowboarder33

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Couple questions, hope these are easy enough to answer.

First, I should be getting a 7970 in a couple of days, would it even be worth it to bitcoin mine? Energy cost is about $.10/kWh. How much profit could I net until bitcoin prices drop?

Also, I'm pretty busy at the moment and would still actually need to build the computer so I have a limited amount of time (which plays into my 'is it worth it' concern), so about how long it would take someone to get the mining setup with zero knowledge on the subject?

Lastly, would a 450w PSU be sufficient?

Would really appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
 

3DVagabond

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Depends on what else is in your system and which 450w you have. Most would be pretty stretched powering a 7970.
 

snowboarder33

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Alright, so I would probably need a different PSU. Thanks for clearing that up, kinda figured that so not that big of a deal.

How about those other questions?
 

birthdaymonkey

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If you're building the system anyway for gaming or something else that warrants a 7970, then there's no reason not to mine some BTC while the situation is still favourable. Even with a less efficient 5870, I've been clearing almost $10 a week after energy costs. With the future of BTC uncertain right now, it would be a bad time to build a dedicated mining rig.

What kind of 450w PSU do you have? If, for instance, it was a Seasonic or other top-rated PSU, it would have no problems at all powering a 7970. A lesser brand likely won't work, however.
 

wbynum

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You might be able to get away with that PSU when running a 7970. I doubt it though. Note how the 12v rails only put out 360w max. You've put together a great gaming machine. Don't skimp on the PSU. Pick up a nice 650w or so unit for $60 and you will be set.
 

blastingcap

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A fully loaded and mining 7970 at stock clocks goes nowhere near 360 watts. Assuming you don't overvolt, then you can even overclock it to its maximum at stock volts, and STILL go nowhere near 360 watts. However, I would upgrade the PSU if other parts of your system will push the wattage too high, like if you have a CPU that idles at high wattage and a ton of hard disks and optical drive or something like that.

Note that the GPU mining era is almost at the end. Rewards halve on Nov. 28 or so, and ASICs can't be far behind, with FPGAs already making the presence felt. In the last several months, we have seen something like a TRIPLING of difficulty, just with FPGAs and GPUs, and ASICs will raise difficulty much faster.
 

snowboarder33

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I do plan on eventually upgrading the PSU. The reason why I would use the PSU I linked above is that I have already purchased it for my NAS and I was going to wait until BF to score a deal on a higher-end psu for the gaming rig, but if I can profit some from mining and a better psu is needed, I would be willing to buy one now.

Yeah I've read that it is coming to an end soon, which is why I was wondering if it would even be worth it and if I could still profit any in this last month.

Appreciate the responses guys, helps out a lot.
 

thilanliyan

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I think some have started popping up, at least for testing from what I have read. No idea if they are in customer hands.

I'm going to keep mining for now...at least until I make <0.1BTC/day
 

MrK6

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I think some have started popping up, at least for testing from what I have read. No idea if they are in customer hands.

I'm going to keep mining for now...at least until I make <0.1BTC/day
Ditto. As long as they keep milking the time table the people who actually purchased the ASIC units are the only ones losing. I'm still making ~0.2 BTC/day which is more than profitable.
 

Chiropteran

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Block rewards cut in half in two weeks** Real curious to see what happens, obviously if the value of a BTC doesn't increase this could be the end of profitable GPU mining for a bit** Though, if GPU miners quit in droves the difficulty will drop back down, so things might stabilize eventually at some level where some GPU miners can turn a profit still**

And then there is the fantasy-land theory that the block reward halving will result in the BTC value doubling** I can dream about that, right?
 

fleshconsumed

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I'm not sure what's the logic behind thinking it will double. From what I read the amount of new coins being mined is insignificant to the amount already out there, so halving the rewards shouldn't do anything to the bitcoin value. If anything, I would expect value to drop since GPU miners will quit the scene in droves and flood the market with bitcoins leading to a drop in value, no increase.
 

blastingcap

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There about about 10.5 million BTC already mined, with another 7200 trickling in per day, until two weeks from now when it will be 3600 per day. 3600 per day is something like 0.00034% of the total supply. So supply is mostly fixed, leaving it up to demand to change the value of BTC.

Some people point out that some miners dump their coins the moment they get them, but even if we assume that every miner does that, that would be 3600 coins per day dumped onto the exchanges, out of roughly 30-40k transactions per day. So miners are less than 10% of the coin exchanges. That's still not enough to move the market enough to double the price.

One very big problem is that wealth is extremely concentrated so that if one of the major holders of BTC (such as Pirate) sells a few tens of thousands of BTC on a particular day, it would flood the market. More likely they would try to sell only a few thousand per day to as not to spook the market. But this leads to price stagnation or even a fall in price.

If miners holding coins do the same thing, it would lead to lower prices as well. And ASIC miners with such high upfront costs will be under more pressure to sell coins the moment they get them, unlike casual miners who are just doing it as a side hobby. As ASICs rise, GPU mining will fall as a percentage of total mining, so you would expect that over time, the percentage of miners who insta-sell will rise, and therefore there will be more insta-selling by miners as a percentage of mined coins in the future.

If BOTH large stakeholders and miners do the same thing and dump coins, we'd see a steady march towards zero. Eventually they'd run out of coins, but by then the market may be so depressed and demand be so feeble for BTC that we'd be back so $2 or less per coin. Conversely, if neither dump any coins at all, we'd probably see a slow increase in the value of coins over time, but I think that's highly unrealistic given the ASIC insta-sell pressure and people like Pirate who are looking to cash out.

If a rival to BTC gets stronger, we also see price risks down.

Personally I think price will remain steady on the day rewards halve, as that event has been priced into the market already. I think we'll continue our current descent in prices as some major holders and miners sell off. I don't think we'll see prices hit $15 again for a very long time.
 
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Dark Shroud

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Well I'm still earning over $100 a month so I'm not quitting any time soon. But I'll probably have to invest in setting up another mining box.
 
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