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pm

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Are those the right flags for LTC mining? I know they are for BTC mining. Also, your LTC mining speed with that card should be in the 450 khash range I believe.

As the owner of a dual Tahiti 9750 rig mining litecoins, I can confirm that I am using the same flags. And, in fact, the same version of Guiminer_alpha and I'm using cgminer with those same settings and I can confirm as well that with intensity 18 I get about 450kh/s and with intensity 20, I get about 500kh/s with my card at default settings (no overclock).

snowboarder33, my best guess is that your card is throttling based on hitting either the max temperature, or the max current. Download something like MSI Afterburner, and see if the GPU usage percentage doesn't look like a |_|-|_|-|_ stairstep-like thing indicating that it's being throttled. Check the temps and if they look ok, slide the "power limit %" bar to something like +10%.
 

wbynum

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LTC mining is certainly tricky. Not a lot of rhyme or reason why cards behave as they do. I have two identical 7970's that LTC mine at ~530kh and ~660kh. People on IRC said the 530kh one is because it is driving the display of the computer also. I guess it makes sense (not really since I am not doing anything demanding on the desktop, but oh well).

My two 7950 cards would never go about ~300kh/s each with LTC mining. I got tired of screwing with them and switched them over to PPC mining. Same algorithm as BTC so they work as expected (~500mh each).
 

Zxian

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As far as I can tell, LTC mining is far more sensitive to the ratio of core clock to memory clock. Increasing one without adjusting the will likely lower your hash rate.
 

arkcom

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Didn't do much LTC mining today. Burnside is the only one I could even connect to and it was spewing 50% stales.

Edit: Now running P2Pool. We'll see how this goes.
 
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snowboarder33

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Did a restart, since I didn't after I installed all the software and drivers, and it seems to be getting more reasonable rate. Still confused about the speed discrepancy; guiminer scrpyt is showing a rate of about 530khash/s while coinotron is only reporting a rate of 363.5 KH/s. Which number is more accurate/correct?

Refreshed the coinotron and now it shows 671.1 KH/s.
 
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MeldarthX

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Chmaxi83 which one did you get? I haven't oc yet; but 975 at 55% is at 82c.....80% damn thing is loud LOL....but that's what I get for getting single fan
 

chimaxi83

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This Powercolor is what I have, single fan, and it IS kinda loud at that speed lol. Doesn't seem to be a bad card though, $205 after rebate, minus the $55 I got for the games made it a great deal.
 

philipma1957

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two days in on this card . my total bit coins = 1.14 x 129 usd = 148 usd. this card earns 1/20 of that = $7.40 - .60 cents for power = $6.80

As above the card was 111 now the card cost 104.20. after 2 days.

just about 3 days in on this card (hd7790).

start cost was 111
that was after:
1) a code on superbiiz website
2) a rebate
3) sale of the game code
4) a credit card rebate



3 days of power = 1 dollar so 112 .
This card is 1/20 of all my hash.
My 3 day earnings are 1.38 coins for all my hash. Update 1.428

So 1/20 of that = .069 coins at $131.18 a coin that is $9.05.

update .0714 at $138.67 = 9.90

So 112-9.05 = $102.95 net.

update 112 - 9.90 = 102.10 net for 3 days in.

I will come back to this as I posted at 10 AM east coast less then 3 days in as 3PM today is 3 days runtime. Still the card's price has dropped to about 103 with all the deals , rebates and coins earned. This is the card in question.

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-77901OC


My point is No more risk for this card as of today.. I am sure I could sell this card for 115 which if I sold it on a website like this one on the sales thread 115 would break me even. I am pretty sure someone would want this card at 115.

So lets say you like any kind of gaming card and have a rig setup as long as your rig had room for this card It would add 80 watts of power and it could mine while you use your other card to game.

Note to mods I am not trying to sell this. I am illustrating a point of the risk to mine with a gpu.
 
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Avalon

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So even on intensities as low as 11, my GPU driver crashes after about 45-60 mins. I also see display corruption beforehand.

Using Win7 64bit, the latest AMD SDK, Catalyst 13.1, on a Radeon HD7870. I'm assuming the combination of display corruption and driver crashing after an hour means I've got a hardware issue. Running stock clocks, HIS IceQ 3. Tried underclocking and did not resolve. Thoughts?
 
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Deaks2

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Strange results from your LTC mining 7950s...

My Crossfired 7950s pump out a 1200+ kH/s combined clocked at 1050/1400. I just used the aggressive 7950 preset in LTC GuiMiner 0.3.

I get about 10 coins a day.
 

HydroSqueegee

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So even on intensities as low as 11, my GPU driver crashes after about 45-60 mins. I also see display corruption beforehand.

Using Win7 64bit, the latest AMD SDK, Catalyst 3.1, on a Radeon HD7870. I'm assuming the combination of display corruption and driver crashing after an hour means I've got a hardware issue. Running stock clocks, HIS IceQ 3. Tried underclocking and did not resolve. Thoughts?

my HIS 7870 does fine mining BC (lots of display corruption, but works), but trying to mine litecoin has been problematic. I have a 7950 coming next week.
 

pm

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So I've been mining away for three days with my new Radeon 9750 card added to my system with an existing Radeon 9750 and the one thing that I really was unhappy with was how hot the room was. With my Wattmeter, I measured 330W total system power before I put the 9750 in, and then with the new card installed I measured 670W. And you might say, "that makes no sense because you added a 250W card to a system with a 250W card and about 80W of other stuff, so you should have been at 580W, not 670W". But regardless of what should have happened, I was measuring 670W with my generally accurate wattmeter. I think the problem is that my power supply is only 600W and so rather than failing, it just started burning more power to keep up... but I don't know.

While I'm a bit of an environmentalist, my actual problem was not the wasted power. I'm mining, I don't care. But the room was hot - like stuffy hot. Both cards were at 82C, my computer MB sensor read 66C (in the case), and I think the room was in the high 20's. Maybe 28-29C or so. So then I opened a window, and then my feet were cold but my body was hot... regardless I wasn't happy.

So I decided to underclock the cards, and this is where it gets weird - although the whole 250W+250W+80W=670W thing was already weird - but this is weirder. Using MSI afterburning, I pulled the clock rate on the cards from 1100MHz (overclocked) to 800MHz (slight underclock) and my hashing rate didn't change... but power didn't go down too much (670W to 640W). So then I pulled the voltage on the cards from 1.15V to 1.0V and the hashing rate of course didn't change, but nothing bad happened, but surprisingly power didn't go dramatically (650W to . So then I pulled the power limit slider from my old overclocked setting of +10%, down to -5% - so the new power/current limit is 5% less than factory spec - and the hashing rate dropped a bit, but my power dropped massively. I went from somewhere around 550W (after voltage/freq) down to 420W. But what makes this all weird is that I went from hashing at ~525kh/s (x2) = 1050Mh/s, pulling 550W with the cards pegged at 82C, down to ~495kh/s (x2) = 990kh/s pulling 415W and the cards are 68C ish. What I don't understand is where the power came from, what it was doing and why it doesn't affect the hashing numbers much.

So for data I get:
Please ignore all of this. I didn't measure it correctly and the hash rates really were going down.
power limit +10%, 525kh/s, 660W, card temp 90C
power limit 0%, 515kh/s, 565W
power limit -5%, 500kh/s, 482W
power limit -10%, 500kh/s, 426W
power limit -15%, 500kh/s, 350W
power limit -20%, 500kh/s, 302W, card temp 60C

So to me it's not so surprising that when you move the power limit slider, you get less power. But I don't understand why the hashing rate doesn't fall too. I have this mental picture of litecoin hashing using all of the resources of the card, so a reduction in max power should correlate to a reduction in hashing. But it seems immune. Meanwhile my computer is now hashing twice as fast and using less power (at the limit -20%) than it was with one card. So this was definitely not true of bitcoins. With BTC if I moved power up, I got more hashing, and down was less.

System specs: Intel Core i7 2600K (@ 4.4GHz), 16GB DDR3, 2 x Radeon 9750, 300GB Intel SSD, 1TB Seagate HD, Seasonic 620W "bronze" power supply.


Edit: so yeah, the data was wrong... which makes sense since the results were confusing. I was changing things while the system was running and there's some sort of averaging going on and so my changes weren't showing up as a reduction in hashing because it was averaging in the previous higher numbers.
 
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thilanliyan

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^What are the actual clocks while mining when you move the power slider down to -20%?

And you are really pushing that PSU there I think!
 

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Summary: for LTC mining, set your power limit as low as it will go because it makes no difference and saves lots of power.


So I've been mining away for three days with my new Radeon 9750 card added to my system with an existing Radeon 9750 and the one thing that I really was unhappy with was how hot the room was. With my Wattmeter, I measured 330W total system power before I put the 9750 in, and then with the new card installed I measured 670W. And you might say, "that makes no sense because you added a 250W card to a system with a 250W card and about 80W of other stuff, so you should have been at 580W, not 670W". But regardless of what should have happened, I was measuring 670W with my generally accurate wattmeter. I think the problem is that my power supply is only 600W and so rather than failing, it just started burning more power to keep up... but I don't know.

While I'm a bit of an environmentalist, my actual problem was not the wasted power. I'm mining, I don't care. But the room was hot - like stuffy hot. Both cards were at 82C, my computer MB sensor read 66C (in the case), and I think the room was in the high 20's. Maybe 28-29C or so. So then I opened a window, and then my feet were cold but my body was hot... regardless I wasn't happy.

So I decided to underclock the cards, and this is where it gets weird - although the whole 250W+250W+80W=670W thing was already weird - but this is weirder. Using MSI afterburning, I pulled the clock rate on the cards from 1100MHz (overclocked) to 800MHz (slight underclock) and my hashing rate didn't change... but power didn't go down too much (670W to 640W). So then I pulled the voltage on the cards from 1.15V to 1.0V and the hashing rate of course didn't change, but nothing bad happened, but surprisingly power didn't go dramatically (650W to . So then I pulled the power limit slider from my old overclocked setting of +10%, down to -5% - so the new power/current limit is 5% less than factory spec - and the hashing rate dropped a bit, but my power dropped massively. I went from somewhere around 550W (after voltage/freq) down to 420W. But what makes this all weird is that I went from hashing at ~525kh/s (x2) = 1050Mh/s, pulling 550W with the cards pegged at 82C, down to ~495kh/s (x2) = 990kh/s pulling 415W and the cards are 68C ish. What I don't understand is where the power came from, what it was doing and why it doesn't affect the hashing numbers much.

So for data I get:
power limit +10%, 525kh/s, 660W, card temp 90C
power limit 0%, 515kh/s, 565W
power limit -5%, 500kh/s, 482W
power limit -10%, 500kh/s, 426W
power limit -15%, 500kh/s, 350W
power limit -20%, 500kh/s, 302W, card temp 60C

So to me it's not so surprising that when you move the power limit slider, you get less power. But I don't understand why the hashing rate doesn't fall too. I have this mental picture of litecoin hashing using all of the resources of the card, so a reduction in max power should correlate to a reduction in hashing. But it seems immune. Meanwhile my computer is now hashing twice as fast and using less power (at the limit -20%) than it was with one card. So this was definitely not true of bitcoins. With BTC if I moved power up, I got more hashing, and down was less.

System specs: Intel Core i7 2600K (@ 4.4GHz), 16GB DDR3, 2 x Radeon 9750, 300GB Intel SSD, 1TB Seagate HD, Seasonic 620W "bronze" power supply.

Your problem is that you aren't getting 620 ish kh/s per 7950 as you should which means your settings are wrong.

Every Single 7950 can do 620 ish kh/s. They are not the stupidly picky things that 7970s are.
 
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Rikard

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I have kept an eye on this topic for a while, but it was not profitable enough for me to be bothered. Now with the Russians moving funds from Cyprus to BTC it suddenly became much more lucrative... for how long I don't know. Anyway, I tried some bitmining last night, but started reading on alternative currencies while mining. Is there any reason why one would not want to do LTC mining instead of BTC mining right now? It is much more profitable! Where do you sell the LTC for AFK money?
 

Avalon

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my HIS 7870 does fine mining BC (lots of display corruption, but works), but trying to mine litecoin has been problematic. I have a 7950 coming next week.

Yeah I didn't seem to have any issues mining BC either, so not sure. It's definitely a shame I can't sustain like 18 intensity, because I was hitting like 425 khash before drivers crashing.
 

pm

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My post above was wrong. There is a dependency on hashing rates to the power slider - as one would expect. The problem was that GUIMiner seems to do some sort of averaging function so that when you make a change, it takes a while before it shows up. Or else you need to stop/start and then wait for the new results to stabilize. I need to change the table. It looks like -20% is something around 300kh/s... which makes more sense.

And you are really pushing that PSU there I think!
Yeah, I agree. I didn't mean to. I thought 250+250+80 would be less than 620. I guess that's why Seasonic has a good reputation for power supplies - you can exceed the spec by >10% load and it still keeps working... From here on out, I plan on underclocking the cards so I should be ok.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Yeah, I agree. I didn't mean to. I thought 250+250+80 would be less than 620. I guess that's why Seasonic has a good reputation for power supplies - you can exceed the spec by >10% load and it still keeps working... From here on out, I plan on underclocking the cards so I should be ok.

If you're measuring at the wall, then you aren't accounting for efficiency. I don't know what the efficiency for that unit is, but assuming 80%, 670W * 0.8 = 536W, which is well within the range for that PSU.
 

Batmeat

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I'm on my iPhone so searching this thread is pretty tough. I got my miner going but can't seem to figure out how I sync my bit coin wallet to the pool I joined so I can get paid (eventually)

Little help?
 
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