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nwo

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LTC went down less than 2 bucks, I would hardly call that a decline, let alone a crash.
 

JDG1980

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Overstock.com has a payment option for BTC. Newegg is talking about adding BTC as an option and other mainstream internet online retailers.

IIRC, someone asked them on Twitter and they said they are "looking into" it. I'm not sure it ever went farther than that.

Though that might actually be a good way for Newegg to turn a quick profit, if they're not averse to speculation. Secretly invest in a few thousand BTC, then announce they're going to start accepting it in payments - which will cause the price to spike, and they can then sell their holdings at a profit.
 

24601

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Newegg should have added litecoin as a payment option almost a year ago

Imagine the fees they would have saved.
 

nwo

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IIRC, someone asked them on Twitter and they said they are "looking into" it. I'm not sure it ever went farther than that.
I thought someone posted an article in this thread several weeks ago that stated that Overstock.com now accepts BTC.

I didn't really bother reading it because I don't shop there
 

Torn Mind

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Oh balls. I thought LTC was different in this regard, assuming by the name: LITEcoin. Is it basically a bitcoin ripoff with some minor aspects slightly changed then?

Bitcoin will never be widespread enough (as in between "normal" people) simply because of this. It's somewhat popular, but you still can't use it. you can make money off it, but it doesn't really serve the purpose of currency in the slightest. Sadly. And I don't think it ever will.

Anything can become a currency so long as it is used for and exchange of goods, and anything can become totally worthless when people stop using that currency, and that even applies to precious metals...those Roman coins mean jack for modern people except for historical value...

Bitcoin is a legitimate currency, but its usefulness as a currency depends on variables and properties that affect all currencies.

One potential problem is logistical. Bitcoin will have trouble with the business sector, both large and small. In the current system, businesses use banks to acquire funding for their operations, whether directly through loans or indirectly via financial markets(Wall Street). The logistics of Bitcoin makes it such that banks are not strictly necessary for storing Bitcoins.

The matter with Bitcoin and its derivatives is that once the "money printing era" ends, is a 0% or slightly negative inflation rate suitable for a society in all conditions? One of the things to consider is that denominated prices such as loan totals and wages do not necessarily adjust to inflation or the lack thereof.

Resiliency against speculation is also another matter to consider.

Other concerns is more practical. Can Bitcoin be as useful in brick and mortar stores. Also, if someone wants payment tracking via check, credit card, etc rather than the natural cash-like attributes of Bitcoin, can it be implemented...

Right now though, Bitcoin is shooting up because the "first spenders" of "new" money have a lot of money to burn and buy things with their newly minted coins, just like the Spanish who found the silver in Latin America or those whose government expands the money supply far too quickly. They benefit while inflation occurs to the rest of the populace, although there is no real populace that would suffer under Bitcoin since no one uses it as the currency of their society.
 

Attic

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The Fed buying and selling government bonds, of which they only hold about 12%,...

I'd take issue with how this is presented. Fed treasury holdings are commonly viewed as 10 year equivalents when gauging their impact or magnitude of the treasury bond market, puts em well over 30% of the market and growing as the Fed continues to absorbs the majority of new treasury bond issuance.

Money "within the boundaries" of the Fed is not currency in circulation and not part of the money supply. When Treasury bonds are bought by the Fed, money flows into circulation and the money supply expands a little, which then increases the inflation rate. When the bond matures or is sold, the Treasury returns the principal and interest back into the "boundaries of the Fed", and the money is no longer in circulation. The Treasury would ultimately lose money, but since the interest is mostly paid back by the Fed, the only loss is minimal, relatively speaking. If the Fed actually totally "pockets" the interest instead of paying it back, the money supply would actually decrease by the amount of that interest, as money within the Fed is not money usable by outsiders, even the government.
Not only that, but the Treasury cannot tell the Fed to continue buying bonds ad infinitum if the Fed says no.

Also, there are indicators as to whether are government is printing money far too quickly. It is called the inflation rate, the data is out there, and the inflation rate is certainly NOT near the catastrophic levels rhetoric implies it would be. Under 5% is very, very tame to the regimes that have actually printed money like maniacs to pay off their bills, with Zimbabwe being one example.

As for QE, this is the Fed buying up private sector securities in banks to expand the money supply as US dollars flow out of the boundaries of the Fed and into circulation. This is supposed to encourage lending, which allows many entrepreneurs to try to do business.

The rhetoric makes it sound as if our system somehow worse than those in which the governmental authority(-ies) has sufficient control over their money printers. The Fed is still "independent". I have yet to see the U.S in Zimbabwe mode, printing and printing to the point that the currency is no longer even used.

What Bitcoin's main benefit is that when all the coins are mined, which is not now, it will be hyperinflation-proof, which even gold is not immune to. It is also, theoretically, deflation-proof, thus leaving those who need to take out loans to conduct business and pay them off later. But since there will be small losses of Bitcoins, there will be a small amount of deflation. But this is when all the coins are mined.

In its current state, the money supply of Bitcoin and other altcoins is increasing, and hence the inflation rate of these currencies is also positive. Hence, the "purchasing power" of Bitcoin is also eroding with every new coins made, but unlike fiat, there will be a limit. But right now, Bitcoin is no different from fiat.

But ideals are not what garners interest in Bitcoin now. It's the ability to profit through printing it, and the more one can obtain via printing and currency speculation, the more profit. Every miner becomes their own "mini central bank" and some also try to retrace the steps of George Soros in trying to make their fortune.


I don't want to derail the thread, good points here especially about where bitcoin stands now. I'd insist that when distilled QE is printing money to pay bills (remittances and lowered interest rates the boons to US Treasury at the cost of weaker dollars sans QE to everyone else) and is the logical conclusion of a monetary system beholden to central governments and not the poeple. Bitcoin should never end up being beholding to a central government. Niether story is over (QE or bitcoin), but both should start to present more clearly in the next 3-5 years. I personally believe the Fed balance sheet will grow to 6 trillion or more within that course and that bitcoin will be between 1k-2k with upsidepotential much higher than downside.
 
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f1sherman

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I have always been wondering about ONE question:

WHO ENDS UP WITH THIS #@&* OF OURS?

You know the stuff we are mining; doge, cat, coinye, lotto, whatever...
I mean why in God's name would you want to give your perfectly fine BTC/LTC for this sludge??

Who ends up buying it? Who are the people injecting $/BTC/LTC into this sewage system of ours?
And for what purpose? And WTH are they going to do with it once they buy it?

OK here it goes; Capt Obvious about to land...

WE DO! And speculators on the wrong end of Pump&Dump.




That's why the curve of your usual crapcoin explodes once it hits market, then steadily falls with people trying to get rid of it, with occasional P&Ds in-between.
Nothing else fuels our economy other than speculations and P&D and fools that get caught.
 

f1sherman

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Oh and the most important aspect of it:

Balance of total fortune, profit and overall happiness.

For every lucky son of a gun, there are dozen of fools that made him happy.
He passed his hot potato to them, and it's up to them to get rid of it.
 

pm

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I have always been wondering about ONE question:

WHO ENDS UP WITH THIS #@&* OF OURS?

You know the stuff we are mining; doge, cat, coinye, lotto, whatever...
I mean why in God's name would you want to give your perfectly fine BTC/LTC for this sludge??

Who ends up buying it? Who are the people injecting $/BTC/LTC into this sewage system of ours?
And for what purpose? And WTH are they going to do with it once they buy it?

In the case of Doge, it's used on Reddit as a form of currency. http://www.reddit.com/r/dogemarket and there are two other marketplaces that I know of that take it.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you on the pump 'n dump part of your post, but I will add that Doge, at least, has a bit of a following on Reddit which has a pretty substantial user base.
 

f1sherman

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Doge is proly the best little alt-coin.

1. Pre announced with pools and wallets ready.
2. No premine
3. Phenomenal marketing campaign
4. It's STILL catchy, just look at him


 

Torn Mind

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Nov 25, 2012
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Oh and the most important aspect of it:

Balance of total fortune, profit and overall happiness.

For every lucky son of a gun, there are dozen of fools that made him happy.
He passed his hot potato to them, and it's up to them to get rid of it.

The losers of the massive pump and dump would be the hypothetical society that used the altcoin right from the inception due to massive hyperinflation. But since there is no such society, there is no such massive effects. The deal with printing money, or finding new gold, etc, is that the "first finders" do benefit initially, but then the price levels adjust and then everyone loses some purchasing power.

And if the speculators "lose", that's a part of the territory. Even George Soros didn't win every bet he made...
 

Mark R

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Hmm. 42 really does appear the be answer to life the universe and almost everything

1 42 = 1510 BTC.

Seriously, WTF?
 

KompuKare

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Or if you have all 42 (in 2015+) you can be a very, very rich Dent but still have a nagging thought that no matter how rich you are, if the planet gets demolished to make way for a motorway it won't do you any good to have all that money. All of which might bring about a Marvin-like existential crisis of the kind most billionaires rarely face.

Still, a probably the best attempt at a humorous coin so far.
 

Mark R

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taq8ojh

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Not when the cards are basically touching each other. If air can't get inside, no hi-tech magic will help you.
 

UNhooked

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Why does everyone keep saying it's no point due to ROI? I thought it was still profitable to mine LTC and/or altcoins?
 

24601

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