Cryptocoin Mining?

Page 387 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

geokilla

Platinum Member
Oct 14, 2006
2,012
3
81
Some quick math:

$300 R280X @ MSRP (before pricing went crazy): 700 kH/s @ ~225W
$850 for 10x dual miner USB: 700 kH/s @ ~25W

Note: both numbers exclude PC power (but both need a PC to run them).

At a delta of 0.2 kWh at 10c per kWh you have a raw power savings of < $15/month. Since I'm paying even less in power, I'll keep my GPUs.
But they're USB ASICs. How much power would a USB draw? You can run that along with your GPU and use it to mine BTC. 500Mh/s is a lot isn't it?
 

slashbinslashbash

Golden Member
Feb 29, 2004
1,945
8
81
But they're USB ASICs. How much power would a USB draw? You can run that along with your GPU and use it to mine BTC. 500Mh/s is a lot isn't it?

In the BTC world, GH and TH rule. The oldest USB Block Erupters get you 336MH/s, they are selling for like $30 now, used.... so $90 gets you 1GH. Newer USB miners get 1-2GH/s. The newest big miners ($10k, tower desktop PC or 4-6U server sized, none yet in wide release AFAIK) promise 2-3TH, at 0.5W per GH. (So 1000W-1500W per unit.)
 

KlokWyze

Diamond Member
Sep 7, 2006
4,451
9
81
www.dogsonacid.com
BTC has stalled @ $800 (market cap @ 10 bil) and all the alts have effectively followed suit. The US gov, SEC, etc can step in anytime and effectively kill BTC/scrpyt-coin profitability and everyone's current holdings. Yeah yeah, I know they can't completely kill cryptocurrency, but we all know that will kill profitability/current-value.

I think there is potential for big growth this year, but I'm not seeing any sort of "marketing" going on for cryptocurrencies, which is what will increase total market cap.... which is what makes mining profitable, awesome and fun.

Seriously considering selling my miners off as more GPU miners and SCRYPT-ASICs come online even though it's still profitable right now. Just curious where everyone thinks BTC & co. is headed in 2014.
 

Attic

Diamond Member
Jan 9, 2010
4,282
2
76
BTC has stalled @ $800 (market cap @ 10 bil) and all the alts have effectively followed suit. The US gov, SEC, etc can step in anytime and effectively kill BTC/scrpyt-coin profitability and everyone's current holdings. Yeah yeah, I know they can't completely kill cryptocurrency, but we all know that will kill profitability/current-value.

I think there is potential for big growth this year, but I'm not seeing any sort of "marketing" going on for cryptocurrencies, which is what will increase total market cap.... which is what makes mining profitable, awesome and fun.

Seriously considering selling my miners off as more GPU miners and SCRYPT-ASICs come online even though it's still profitable right now. Just curious where everyone thinks BTC & co. is headed in 2014.


Yep 800 is stalling, but it seems to be finding some stability which is good.

I think the volitility for BTC continues through 2014. I'm not ready to let anything surprise me whether it's a drop below $100 or a rise above $2000. It's clear to me the potential is still huge, but the hurdles still quite high. Worth making the trip though rather than watching from afar and I think the more folks who look into BTC will come to the same conclusion.

BTC's value IMO now needs to be tested by how many folks are willing and able to use it for a growing number of transactions. The responsibility is shouldered in large part by the community.

On one hand if a lot of folks start selling their BTC for stuff then there will be added downward pressure on price of BTC because merchants have to sell the BTC for USD, but BTC is ultimately worthless if it doesn't find a meaningful and IMO substantial place as a payment method at a multiple of merchants within the next 6-9 months. If overstock and tigerdirect and the others do not see BTC payments as a resounding success I don't see why others would follow suit.
 
Feb 19, 2009
10,457
10
76
The fact that as soon as it dips below 800 and we see massive buys, means there is a lot of faith from the community and its deemed <800 is too ABNORMALLY low.. which says a lot for its future direction.

Just like Dogecoin, as soon as it dips below 150 satoshi, the incoming buys is huge. Seeing its current network diff and hash, would you sell Doge below 150? Probably not a good idea since its so hard to get more via mining. I guess that sentiment is felt by traders too.
 

KingFatty

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2010
3,034
1
81
BTC has stalled @ $800 (market cap @ 10 bil) and all the alts have effectively followed suit. The US gov, SEC, etc can step in anytime and effectively kill BTC/scrpyt-coin profitability and everyone's current holdings. Yeah yeah, I know they can't completely kill cryptocurrency, but we all know that will kill profitability/current-value.

I think there is potential for big growth this year, but I'm not seeing any sort of "marketing" going on for cryptocurrencies, which is what will increase total market cap.... which is what makes mining profitable, awesome and fun.

Seriously considering selling my miners off as more GPU miners and SCRYPT-ASICs come online even though it's still profitable right now. Just curious where everyone thinks BTC & co. is headed in 2014.

I agree on the potential for big growth. The way I see it, we are still in a situation where average joe doesn't really know what bitcoin is all about. But once a person understands what it's about, they are likely to want to support it. Average joe may spark a 2nd buying frenzy of wanna be speculators that aren't into mining/computer geeks, but have learned enough to appreciate that it's the future.

As for government action to stop bitcoin, that is a very high risk because the adoption of bitcoin comes at the huge loss of profits to credit card companies and banks that have predatory tactics for raking in huge transaction fees.

But imagine a world in the future, where Amazon, Newegg, Overstock, etc. offer you a 1% discount at checkout, if you choose to pay via bitcoin.

Think about that. Already, when you get to the checkout page, you pick from credit card, or google payment, or amazon payment, or paypal. Why not just add the bitcoin option?

The killer reason to add it, is that the customer will be jumping at it to save his 1%, and then the vendor *ALSO* can save 1%-2% again. So both the seller and the buyer can save money. All that saved money would have instead went directly to middlemen like visa or paypal. But now it's given back to the buyer and the seller.

We have grown accustomed to current prices that already include a ~3% markup for transaction fees extracted by middlemen. Bitcoin unlocks that and gives the money back to those who deserve it, the buyer and seller.

So in other words, this is the future. And companies threatened by the future will pour huge resources into fighting tooth and nail against it, to get unfair legislation passed to block and delay the inevitable future and the improvements it will bring.
 

UNhooked

Golden Member
Jan 21, 2004
1,538
3
81
Anyone look at Vert coin. Looks like a safe bet against Asics, but it's #@$#@ to mine. Might just be the successor to LTC.
 

Venomous

Golden Member
Oct 18, 1999
1,180
0
76
I agree on the potential for big growth. The way I see it, we are still in a situation where average joe doesn't really know what bitcoin is all about. But once a person understands what it's about, they are likely to want to support it. Average joe may spark a 2nd buying frenzy of wanna be speculators that aren't into mining/computer geeks, but have learned enough to appreciate that it's the future.

As for government action to stop bitcoin, that is a very high risk because the adoption of bitcoin comes at the huge loss of profits to credit card companies and banks that have predatory tactics for raking in huge transaction fees.

But imagine a world in the future, where Amazon, Newegg, Overstock, etc. offer you a 1% discount at checkout, if you choose to pay via bitcoin.

Think about that. Already, when you get to the checkout page, you pick from credit card, or google payment, or amazon payment, or paypal. Why not just add the bitcoin option?

The killer reason to add it, is that the customer will be jumping at it to save his 1%, and then the vendor *ALSO* can save 1%-2% again. So both the seller and the buyer can save money. All that saved money would have instead went directly to middlemen like visa or paypal. But now it's given back to the buyer and the seller.

We have grown accustomed to current prices that already include a ~3% markup for transaction fees extracted by middlemen. Bitcoin unlocks that and gives the money back to those who deserve it, the buyer and seller.

So in other words, this is the future. And companies threatened by the future will pour huge resources into fighting tooth and nail against it, to get unfair legislation passed to block and delay the inevitable future and the improvements it will bring.


Tigerdirect is now taking bitcoin but I'm unsure of the checkout requirements or how they have valued bitcoin to USD comparison.
 

UNhooked

Golden Member
Jan 21, 2004
1,538
3
81
Is GPU mining that coin a lot faster, or is CPU mining still viable?
You have to use a modified CGminer. Also your hash rates will be halved due to some funky new algo.

For e.g My R9 290 which normally hashes at 800 Kh/s is only able to do 400 Kh/s and my 7970 which normally does 750 Kh/s can only do 350 Kh/s

But the coin is highly profitable if you can find a stable pool.

I mine at http://vtcpool.co.uk:9171/static/ P2P pool

more info over here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404364.0
 

bob32768

Member
Feb 7, 2013
41
0
76

Mark R

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
8,513
16
81
I found this statement from that thread to be interesting:
I've never heard of Cex.io, but is it true they amount to that much hashing power on the network?
Yes. Cex.io have had to slow down installation of new ASICs, because they were exceeding 40% of all bitcoin hash power.

People were starting to get a bit twitched about so much hash power concentrated in one place: either the mining operator could either attack the BTC network, or if they were hacked and hackers took over the mines, the hackers could attack BTC and double-spend coins.
 

bob32768

Member
Feb 7, 2013
41
0
76
I'm having no luck mining with my 6950 on Virtcoin. Best I can get without hardware errors is around 125 kH/s, or roughly 1/4 what I get with regular scrypt mining. I've probably got a bad card for this algorithm as underclocking seems to help a bit, but otherwise anything above intensity 12 causes HW errors and the work unit rate drops.
 

geokilla

Platinum Member
Oct 14, 2006
2,012
3
81
Anyone know how much power CPU mining takes? I'm guessing 100W since my CPU is overclocked? I can easily CPU mine Foxcoin now. Just wondering if it's worth it since I take a small hit in GPU hash rate.

Man...Vertcoin took off...saw it earlier today at 0.001BTC, now at 0.0025BTC at Coinedup!
Was going to get in. A bit too late... I'm still holding out for Foxcoin though!

If I get into Vertcoin, I read I need a new CGminer. Does it work with CGWatcher? Can the modified CGMiner still be used to mine other coins?
 
Last edited:

JBT

Lifer
Nov 28, 2001
12,094
1
81
I'm having no luck mining with my 6950 on Virtcoin. Best I can get without hardware errors is around 125 kH/s, or roughly 1/4 what I get with regular scrypt mining. I've probably got a bad card for this algorithm as underclocking seems to help a bit, but otherwise anything above intensity 12 causes HW errors and the work unit rate drops.

I can't get the damn wallet to connect.... hmmm


No block source available...

EDIT, A few more app restarts and I've finally got it.
 
Last edited:
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |