Cryptocoin Mining?

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YoungGun21

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You would have to define success. You can solo mine with any amount really and you will most likely eventually find a block. I would think that anything above 5ghash/s would be pretty fun to use for solo mining. I am gonna solo mine for a week or so after I quit pooled mining with my 655Mhash/s, just for the off chance that I hit a block and get 50BTC. Its like the lottery.

You will be very disappointed if you try to solo mine with that many hashes.
 

SlowSpyder

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Mt. Gox is holding at 17 because their market is frozen. It opens tomorrow around 11am EST I think. I expect and hope it tanks HUGELY, so that I can buy up some bitcoins before it makes a recovery.


I think as long as The Silk Road is up and operating bitcoins will have value.

I'm up to three bitcoins in part time mining.
 

Muyoso

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You will be very disappointed if you try to solo mine with that many hashes.

Probably, but its like the lottery. I can mine all week in a pool and earn 2 bitcoins or I can try mining all week and have a small chance to get 50 bitcoins. If the difficulty rises another 50% this time, then I'm done pooled mining. Mine as well try to hit the jackpot.
 

chihlidog

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Could someone explain to me like I am an utter retard (because I am) step by step how to set up for mining solo? I use GUIminer. I saw a guide and tried to follow it but it didnt work, it never connected.
 

OCGuy

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Yea I can see any more difficulty increases pushing out a bunch of the smaller players...basically anyone less than 1G is going to be hard pressed to make .5BTC/day in a pool.
 

SlowSpyder

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Could someone explain to me like I am an utter retard (because I am) step by step how to set up for mining solo? I use GUIminer. I saw a guide and tried to follow it but it didnt work, it never connected.


I made a post a while back that might help you... just seach my name in this thread.

If you are solo mining, I think there are problems that may cause it not to work properly. I just joined a pool instead. Do that and you should be on your way.
 

ultimatebob

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I'll probably trade for a Newegg gift card (I think those are/were available) and finally get an SSD. But to answer your question, well, I can't. I have not yet traded in my bitcoins.

Which place are you planning on using to get your gift card? After all of the crap with Mt. Gox, there is no way in hell I've giving these exchange places any bank account information.
 

OVerLoRDI

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Which place are you planning on using to get your gift card? After all of the crap with Mt. Gox, there is no way in hell I've giving these exchange places any bank account information.



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m3t4lh34d

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Back when I bought my 2 6970s to best my GTX 580, I did it to push my FPS up close to the 120 hz refresh rate of my Acer 3d monitor... now I'm just buying video cards to stare at while they work and I'm much more inclined to game on my 580 instead, regardless of frame rates... even though they are highly respectable on the 580 no doubt @ 1080p. However even so, I mine with the 580 @ around 150 Mhash overclocked to 940 core when I'm not gaming.

This **** is rather addicting. But I cant help but be a little pessimistic about the future of btc when the difficulty is rising but the value isn't... =\.

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OVerLoRDI

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This **** is rather addicting. But I cant help but be a little pessimistic about the future of btc when the difficulty is rising but the value isn't... =\.

Well not really the future of bitcoin, but more the future profitability of mining.
 
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Muyoso

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Looking at bitcoincharts, it doesn't look at this point like the difficulty is going to be jumping 50% anymore. They are estimating like a 3% rise in difficulty at the current total hashing rate. As it is now I am currently mining about half a bitcoin a day, which is right on the borderline of me wanting to stop. If the estimated difficulty is true though, it looks like for the next month or so I will be able to mine .5BTC a day, which isn't bad.

Also, the price of a bitcoin should be rising over the next week as everyone gets their accounts back at Mt.Gox and normal trading resumes. It has stayed amazingly stable today.
 

Aikouka

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Hmm, I put some coins up for sale, but unlike the last time, they're taking forever to sell. Is it just me? I did notice that it put up two attempted sales for the same amount, so I canceled the one .

EDIT:

Weird, I delisted my old one that was ~$16 each and listed again at the current ~$17 price. It sold instantly. No complaints, I technically made a few extra dollars.
 
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gorobei

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wow, it really isnt the time to jump into mining if you havent already.

I crunched the numbers for a barebones 3 card mining rig, and if difficulty only nominally increases over the following weeks/months it would take roughly 3 months before you start seeing any real profit. over 2 months just to cover the cost of the parts and electricity. selling the rig parts later helps a bit, but the return on investment is so much less attractive than a month ago.

bitcoins need to start nearing $30+ for it to make any short term sense.
 

Chiropteran

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wow, it really isnt the time to jump into mining if you havent already.

I crunched the numbers for a barebones 3 card mining rig, and if difficulty only nominally increases over the following weeks/months it would take roughly 3 months before you start seeing any real profit. over 2 months just to cover the cost of the parts and electricity. selling the rig parts later helps a bit, but the return on investment is so much less attractive than a month ago.

bitcoins need to start nearing $30+ for it to make any short term sense.

Do you realize that 2 months to pay off the entire capital investment is actually a really great level of return? Investors in other fields would go crazy if those levels of profit were possible.

Also, you really start to profit around the 50% mark, since it's not too hard to sell your used hardware for 50% cost on craigslist or ebay.

That said, the biggest risk is that bitcoins fail somehow, and lose basically all value. If this happens at just the wrong time you may suffer a big loss. I try to minimize this by buying hardware I'd use or be able to sell outside of the bitcoin market. For example, instead of getting a cheap $37 sempron, I pay an extra $40 and get a decent athlon X2- it might not mine bitcoins any better, but worst case scenario I can sell the system later as a halfway decent gaming/productivity computer.
 

dalamchops

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Looking at bitcoincharts, it doesn't look at this point like the difficulty is going to be jumping 50% anymore. They are estimating like a 3% rise in difficulty at the current total hashing rate. As it is now I am currently mining about half a bitcoin a day, which is right on the borderline of me wanting to stop. If the estimated difficulty is true though, it looks like for the next month or so I will be able to mine .5BTC a day, which isn't bad.

Also, the price of a bitcoin should be rising over the next week as everyone gets their accounts back at Mt.Gox and normal trading resumes. It has stayed amazingly stable today.

jinxed. Up to 6.75 blocks per hour now. Hopefully difficulty won't be above 1.5mil next hit, but it's looking bleak. Still, less than 20% difficulty increase is a lot better than 50-60%
 

hdfxst

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This is the first time i'm using Mt.gox >dwolla,i sold 3 coins and transferred 10 dollars to my dwolla account.How long does it take usually take for the money to show up?It's been 5 hours now and my dwolla account shows no transactions
 

gramboh

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Do you realize that 2 months to pay off the entire capital investment is actually a really great level of return? Investors in other fields would go crazy if those levels of profit were possible.

Also, you really start to profit around the 50% mark, since it's not too hard to sell your used hardware for 50% cost on craigslist or ebay.

That said, the biggest risk is that bitcoins fail somehow, and lose basically all value. If this happens at just the wrong time you may suffer a big loss. I try to minimize this by buying hardware I'd use or be able to sell outside of the bitcoin market. For example, instead of getting a cheap $37 sempron, I pay an extra $40 and get a decent athlon X2- it might not mine bitcoins any better, but worst case scenario I can sell the system later as a halfway decent gaming/productivity computer.

Like you said, it's hard to measure the risk because of the volatility of the BTC/USD value, in addition to intangible risk (markets closing, hacks, Government intervention etc). The resale value is the saving grace, as long as people don't get caught buying crappy Radeons to farm that are worthless for gaming, because if eBay is flooded with those, the price will tank.

People also need to value their time in putting together the rigs, config of the clients, hospital visits due to running the heat up so high in their room they have heat stroke etc. unless they enjoy that aspect as a hobby.
 

ultimatebob

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I realized that my system is only making .25 bitcoins a day now, running 24/7. At the current exchange rate, I think that I could make more income by panhandling in my spare time
 

v8envy

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Well, it was fun while it lasted. Not gonna bother with the wear & tear on my hardware for .37 bitcoins/day at current price levels.

Still, my hardware is now paid for and I got a huge amount of entertainment out of this whole fad over the past month or so. I'm keeping a couple of BTCs just in case there's a huge run-up and those coins buy me the kind of hardware it takes to keep in the game, but at this point I'm out as well.
 

dalamchops

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Well, it was fun while it lasted. Not gonna bother with the wear & tear on my hardware for .37 bitcoins/day at current price levels.

Still, my hardware is now paid for and I got a huge amount of entertainment out of this whole fad over the past month or so. I'm keeping a couple of BTCs just in case there's a huge run-up and those coins buy me the kind of hardware it takes to keep in the game, but at this point I'm out as well.

we need more ppl to get out of it so difficulty won't increase : )
 

OVerLoRDI

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I don't think it would make sense for you to get out of mining... not with as much gear you have.. 0_0

I'll run it till it isn't profitable. At that point I'll either sell it all, or shutdown till difficulty changes. That is assuming we don't all get screwed over by ASIC miners.

ASIC miners aside it is safe to assume that most miners are running pretty similar hardware, 5xxx/6xxx cards. The one variable then is electricity costs. If we reach a point where most miners aren't making money due to difficulty or price level, we should see difficulty adjust such that mining is profitable for the majority of miners. So as long as your electricity costs are relatively average mining should maintain some level of profitability for you in the long run... holding hardware performance constant. Those with high electricity or cooling costs might be out of luck in the near future.

That will all change when the 7xxx series comes out presumably. In which case we could see 5xxx/6xxx cards become unprofitable. Till then, it should maintain some level of profitability with current hardware.
 
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