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gbeirn

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Well,.. network gone from sub 100,000Mh/s to 130,000+Mh/s with a lightning quickness.

Something tells me ASIC scrypt miners are being quietly (not so perhaps) put to use in the shadows before they go mainstream to the public.

I imagine they will be once they start coming out. This is just all the people who were mining worthless DOGE and CAT and whatever else coin of the minute that was out, now that that ride is over they are switching back to something that has more stability and better established.
 

f1sherman

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yeah

if you need guides, don't go there LOL

time is money

you won't get more khs, and I doubt there is something like chwatcher under linux
 

holden j caufield

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ok thanks, I'm running them off of an old c2d which according to voltage cpuz is so inefficient it's 1.15v at idle! With I think 1 video card idle I'm about 120ish idle. I thought my idle voltage was very high too. But it never sits at idle so I'm happy for now, they sit 2ft near a bedroom window which is cracked open 5 inches. It's amazing what that does to my temps, I had it on the other side of the room and it was almost 10c on each gpu.
 
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Attic

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I imagine they will be once they start coming out. This is just all the people who were mining worthless DOGE and CAT and whatever else coin of the minute that was out, now that that ride is over they are switching back to something that has more stability and better established.

Yea, you're right. Reinforces the point BlastingCap makes about how the alts though scammy, still benefit miners of LTC due to the tide of hashig power that draws out when the scammy coins toss out their dragnets.
 

Attic

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ok thanks, I'm running them off of an old c2d which according to voltage cpuz is so inefficient it's 1.15v at idle! With I think 1 video card idle I'm about 120ish idle. I thought my idle voltage was very high too. But it never sits at idle so I'm happy for now, they sit 2ft near a bedroom window which is cracked open 5 inches. It's amazing what that does to my temps, I had it on the other side of the room and it was almost 10c on each gpu.


You may consider lowering volts and/or speed of the CPU in BIOS to see if it remains stable.

I'm still experimenting with mine. I have a kill a watt EZ meter as well that is great for seeing exactly what the rig is drawing at the wall. I go between watts and total kwh. Total kwh is what i'm interested in each month because i'm paying .31 per. Really nice to have a device that shows exactly the total kwh draw of the rig during each months utility bill cycle.

I have found that if I get the cards running cooler they appear to draw less power. Still verifying, but going from 68c to 60c appeared to have dropped my power draw at the wall by ~8-10watts.

Beyond that theres the efficiency of the PSU to consider. If you running a gold rated then your PSU is delivering ~90% of what the kill a watt meter shows. Platinum can get up to 92% if the load isn't to high.

I'm shooting for 3-1 Kh/s to watt ratio at the wall. This is with all the cooling power coming from fans run off motherboard headers or the PSU molex plugs. I'm about 2.8-1. Undervolting (gpu for sure, cpu if needed) is the only way to get the really good ratios here. With power rates in CA, gah, this would be so much nicer at .13 a kwh.
 
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thilanliyan

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I have found that if I get the cards running cooler they appear to draw less power. Still verifying, but going from 68c to 60c appeared to have dropped my power draw at the wall by ~8-10watts.

This is usually the case...higher temps lead to higher leakage and more power consumption. I think I read somewhere that getting 290 temps to the 40-50C range (water probably) brings down power consumption by 20-30w.
 

ThackerSS

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Hey guys.

After the dogecoin blow up, I got heavy into this crypto thing. I was using my 290x to mine and now I added 2 XFX 290's to another rig and have it running fulltime.

Below is a pic of their current rates. The 290s are actually outperforming my 290x on occasion. Spent all day customizing and getting it all optimized.

I'm happy with the rate.

Total power for both machines is about 1050/1100.

 

suklee

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What settings are you using for the 290s to get to 900? My friends sapphire 290 gets 830 ish
 

ThackerSS

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What settings are you using for the 290s to get to 900? My friends sapphire 290 gets 830 ish

I fine tuned them for hours today. Overclock wise I am at 1025/1450 with +30 power limit stock voltage in afterburner. If I go higher then my drivers crash at this voltage. My 290x on the other hand works better downclocked to 950/1250. If I increase core on it hash drops rapidly... no idea why.

My settings on cgminer are thread concurrency 27400 with I-20 worksize 256
 

ThackerSS

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I fine tuned them for hours today. Overclock wise I am at 1025/1450 with +30 power limit stock voltage in afterburner. If I go higher then my drivers crash at this voltage. My 290x on the other hand works better downclocked to 950/1250. If I increase core on it hash drops rapidly... no idea why.

My settings on cgminer are thread concurrency 27400 with I-20 worksize 256


I lied. My final Thread concurrency was 32765
 

geokilla

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I fine tuned them for hours today. Overclock wise I am at 1025/1450 with +30 power limit stock voltage in afterburner. If I go higher then my drivers crash at this voltage. My 290x on the other hand works better downclocked to 950/1250. If I increase core on it hash drops rapidly... no idea why.

My settings on cgminer are thread concurrency 27400 with I-20 worksize 256
Now go get your memory timings optimized and you might push 1000 Kh/s! Of course, it's not a Tahiti card so you'll have to learn how to do that yourself..
 

Zargon

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yeah

if you need guides, don't go there LOL

time is money

you won't get more khs, and I doubt there is something like chwatcher under linux

I wouldn't say that. that's the only step between installing Linux and having it act like an actual usable user friendly computer
 

ThackerSS

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Now go get your memory timings optimized and you might push 1000 Kh/s! Of course, it's not a Tahiti card so you'll have to learn how to do that yourself..

I've worked on it a bit, and anywhere between 1250 and 1450 crushes my khash.. with 1450 being optimum
 

Accord99

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I'm shooting for 3-1 Kh/s to watt ratio at the wall. This is with all the cooling power coming from fans run off motherboard headers or the PSU molex plugs. I'm about 2.8-1. Undervolting (gpu for sure, cpu if needed) is the only way to get the really good ratios here. With power rates in CA, gah, this would be so much nicer at .13 a kwh.
With Tahiti cards, getting 3 khash/watts isn't very difficult with a careful selection of clock speeds and voltages. With good 7970s, I can get 650 khash/s at 925 MHz/1000 MHz core/mem at 0.97-1.00v and per card power consumption is a bit less than 200W. After this point, increased khash requires too much extra power to be efficient, at least for my purposes. Often I drop even lower to increase production per power circuit.
 

Attic

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With Tahiti cards, getting 3 khash/watts isn't very difficult with a careful selection of clock speeds and voltages. With good 7970s, I can get 650 khash/s at 925 MHz/1000 MHz core/mem at 0.97-1.00v and per card power consumption is a bit less than 200W. After this point, increased khash requires too much extra power to be efficient, at least for my purposes. Often I drop even lower to increase production per power circuit.


Awsome. Had no idea they could pull that high of hash at the 925/1000 mark.

How are you setting voltages and what are you using to monitor the voltage? I've noticed that in MSI AB if I set volts that GPU-Z sensor tab shows something different and usually lower.
 

Accord99

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Awsome. Had no idea they could pull that high of hash at the 925/1000 mark.
I've had great luck with Powercolors (with custom cooler), Sapphire Dual-X, Asus DC2 at these settings. I had poor results with HIS IceQ X2 and couldn't go above 550 no matter what. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to try with 280x as they keep going out of stock or are too overpriced.

How are you setting voltages and what are you using to monitor the voltage? I've noticed that in MSI AB if I set volts that GPU-Z sensor tab shows something different and usually lower.
Just Afterburner, I believe GPU-Z shows the true voltage that includes the droop.
 

geokilla

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Awsome. Had no idea they could pull that high of hash at the 925/1000 mark.

How are you setting voltages and what are you using to monitor the voltage? I've noticed that in MSI AB if I set volts that GPU-Z sensor tab shows something different and usually lower.
It depends hugely on the memory used and their latency. Starting to see some 7970 break 700 Kh/s now.
 

KlokWyze

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On my HIS IceQ 7950 X2, I can get up to 630kh/s at 1140/1500 but I keep it at 950/1250 @ 0.98v for 550kh/s since it runs cool and quiet at those speeds.

What's cool to you?

I typically aim for 80C, but willing to go above. I see people in here running their sh!1 @ 90C and I'm like D: I know these cards are built for it, but what's the industry standard, rule of thumb, etc. for temps?

TheStilt either hooked me up with a fixed BIOS or me simply putting '-g 2' in the cgminer command massively upped my hashrate on my 7970. Easy +100 @ the same temps. Currently tweaking to determine what's efficient and stable. I gave him a nice chunk of BTC because of the headaches these cards were causing me. I f*(king knew I wasn't doing anything wrong...

I flashed my dual 7950 rig and it's getting slightly better hashrate. Problem is that I can't use the '-g 2' flag because of a kernel out of bounds issue or some sh!t. Need to research some more while I simultaneously configure a LinuxMint config to run this rig. Want to see how many watts I can save by switching from an old 40GB HDD to a USB stick. Also, just want to setup a LinuxBox. I need to move more towards that since I work for an almost purely Linux focused company.... lmao. It's currently mining @ like 1.140 m/h @ 540 watts. Very low temps. I know I can get this up to 1.3 easily.... just need to figure the thread/kernel thing out.

The best open box "homemade" rig is to just take a sawzaw to an old case. Just carve out everything except the mobo and GPU bracket mounting rail. Can't believe anyone would use an enclosed case for a dedicated miner, unless it's water cooled.

Anyone have any tricks for cooling middle/sandwiched cards that get especially hot? Pointing an extra case fan @ the hottest spot? Ghetto-rigging an old HSF on there? Simply pointing a room fan would probably be the best I guess???
 

slashbinslashbash

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Want to see how many watts I can save by switching from an old 40GB HDD to a USB stick.

10W, max. Less if the HDD spins down regularly.

I typically aim for 80C, but willing to go above. I see people in here running their sh!1 @ 90C and I'm like D: I know these cards are built for it, but what's the industry standard, rule of thumb, etc. for temps?

290's can run hotter than 79xx's.

http://anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/19

Seems the 7970 tops out around 80C, 290X's go up to 90C+. 6970 and 5870 get warmer than 7970 due to the older 40nm process.

Can't believe anyone would use an enclosed case for a dedicated miner, unless it's water cooled.

An enclosed case actually can provide better cooling than a semi-open one. Completely open, ok, as long as there's good airflow in the room (large fans) then I guess it's best. But cases can provide directed airflow, which is better than random airflow. If you have fans in an open case, the air that they're moving isn't going in a concerted direction. The best case designs pull cool air in from one part of the case, direct it over the hot components, and exhaust it out another part of the case. Usually this is a front-to-back motion, but there are other ways as well (e.g. side intake, top exhaust). As long as the intake and exhaust airflow are balanced, you can get pretty good results.

If you have a good flowing case like I described above, all the hot air is exhausted out the back of the case, and it can't get back inside because the fans in the back, and the walls on the sides, keep it out. For that hot air to re-circulate through the case, it has to make its way all the way around to the front. With an open design, heat from one video card might just be blown to the CPU, or the RAM, or another video card. It doesn't flow in a uniform direction, it's just blown wherever the fans happen to take it, and it can "pool" in areas that don't get airflow from fans. In fact, case fans can hurt more than they help in open cases, because there isn't anything separating the exhausted air from the intake air. The exhausted air ends up about 6" from the intake air, at most. They can just blow the same semi-warm air around and around in circles.

Say you've got a 120mm case fan in the back of your case, pointing out (exhaust). If the case is closed, it can only exhaust one kind of air: air that's inside the case. If the case is open, it can pull in outside air and exhaust it alongside the hot air. It might flow 100CFM, but if 50 of those CFM isn't hot air from your components then you're just wasting half of it.

If I were a serious miner (multiple GPU's in a chassis) then I would only buy video cards with duct designs that exhaust directly to the rear of the chassis (like the AMD reference designs). The open designs spew their hot air in all directions. Some of that will of course spill over to the other cards in the chassis. Yes, the open design cards can generally perform better in a single-card setup because they generally have huge heatsinks (covering the entire card) and multiple fans, while the ducted designs have smaller heatsinks (only directly on top of the GPU and VRAM) and only have a single fan (at the "front" end). Ideally you would have these large heatsinks, plastic ducts/shrouds around them, and fans blowing laterally along them (front to back of the case) rather than down through them.

I could swear that AT did an article about open/closed case heat performance sometime, maybe 5-10 years ago.
 

holden j caufield

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hey guys I've found that if I set the color depth to 16 bit and set windows to optimize for best performance the computer is a lot more useable while mining, before that every key stroke would have a lot of lag this is for the 7950. For the computer with 7970 at intensitivity 13 it's almost as if I'm not mining.
 
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