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thilanliyan

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I'm thinking of selling my 3 7950s and getting 2 non-reference 290s. All of my 7950s can do stock clocks at only 0.975v, getting about 530-550kh/s.

Any thoughts? Anyone with non-reference cards able to undervolt quite a bit at stock?
 

Binky

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I'm thinking of selling my 3 7950s and getting 2 non-reference 290s. All of my 7950s can do stock clocks at only 0.975v, getting about 530-550kh/s.

Any thoughts? Anyone with non-reference cards able to undervolt quite a bit at stock?
My MSI twinfrozr 7950 does 0.975 and 1050/1350 for ~630kh (70-75C). I've run it as low as 0.9v and 900mhz with no issues. It can clock much higher, but the heat is too much when inside a case with another 7950 next to it.

If these aren't used for gaming, have you checked for a modified bios from The Stilt? I haven't tried one on my MSI because it's near where it should be, but I have a sapphire that was also stuck at ~540kh, and the Stilt bios brought it up to 630 at 1050/1500. This comes at a cost of slight instability in gaming, so I have to clock it down a bit closer to stock speeds while gaming.
 

thilanliyan

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If these aren't used for gaming, have you checked for a modified bios from The Stilt? I haven't tried one on my MSI because it's near where it should be, but I have a sapphire that was also stuck at ~540kh, and the Stilt bios brought it up to 630 at 1050/1500. This comes at a cost of slight instability in gaming, so I have to clock it down a bit closer to stock speeds while gaming.

I can get up up 630kh/s if I clock at 1140/1500 @ 1.15v, but I don't think the extra heat and power consumption is worth it because it just makes the other cards run hotter too, which in turn will lead to higher power consumption for the cards as well.
 

Binky

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I can get up up 630kh/s if I clock at 1140/1500 @ 1.15v, but I don't think the extra heat and power consumption is worth it because it just makes the other cards run hotter too, which in turn will lead to higher power consumption for the cards as well.
Did you read my comment about the bios? Have you checked? This is a heat-free boost.
 

thilanliyan

Lifer
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Did you read my comment about the bios? Have you checked? This is a heat-free boost.

I'm not really into BIOS modding. That pretty much voids warranty every time and if I'm keeping those cards, I need to think about the warranty. Thanks for the suggestion though.
 

KlokWyze

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I'm not really into BIOS modding. That pretty much voids warranty every time and if I'm keeping those cards, I need to think about the warranty. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Most cards are made with BIOS modding in mind and I don't think it voids the warranty on some cards. There is a little switch on the card that let's you switch to a secondary NVRAM "slot" to experiment with additional BIOS's. You can switch back to the 1st slot with the OEM BIOS anytime to save yourself from bricking. Check your card's warranty to see if it voids it or not. TBH, I doubt they would even check or reject the card. You can just make bullshit up if you're RMA'ing it.

TheStilt's BIOS's have worked wonders for me on all my cards. I gave him like .15 BTC.

The markets are performing.... oddly. I think this is the calm before the storm. Not sure which way it's going to go. Doge is up @ .00000230 and looks to be rising steadily. I'm selling my paultry ~13K DOGE a day regardless.

LTC dropped below $20/USD.... BTC below $760/USD. Look to be recovering pretty strongly. F*!K... I'm so tempted to just try to day trade with a big cash injection. 10% a day on $10k is $1000/daily. Even @ 5% that's a nice raise for me.
 

gbeirn

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Sep 27, 2005
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I'm thinking of selling my 3 7950s and getting 2 non-reference 290s. All of my 7950s can do stock clocks at only 0.975v, getting about 530-550kh/s.

Any thoughts? Anyone with non-reference cards able to undervolt quite a bit at stock?


I'll buy em!
 

slashbinslashbash

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Feb 29, 2004
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I had considered it, but unsure how to really test it. The kh/s drop occurs even with only one card running and is somewhat remedied by adjusting cgminer priority. I haven't come across any similar issues with the sempron 145 though.

PSU is Corsair HX850 with a draw of 580watts at the wall when all three cards are running. 12v line is 12.968 3.3v is 3.264 as reported by HWMonitor and here they look stable. In GPU-z the voltage reading fluctuatates somewhat.

Hmmm. Well, I have no idea. IMO it's unlikely to be a CPU issue, even with a low-powered CPU. People run dozens of SHA256 ASIC miners off of one CPU routinely, and those things see GHash levels, not MHash; meaning more traffic through the CPU. Standalone SHA256 ASIC miners are managed by Raspberry Pi's and other weak CPU's. I'd think that it would take a lot more than 3 GPU's to max out a single-core x86 CPU at 2.8GHz.
 

IEC

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Most cards are made with BIOS modding in mind and I don't think it voids the warranty on some cards. There is a little switch on the card that let's you switch to a secondary NVRAM "slot" to experiment with additional BIOS's. You can switch back to the 1st slot with the OEM BIOS anytime to save yourself from bricking. Check your card's warranty to see if it voids it or not. TBH, I doubt they would even check or reject the card. You can just make bullshit up if you're RMA'ing it.

TheStilt's BIOS's have worked wonders for me on all my cards. I gave him like .15 BTC.

The markets are performing.... oddly. I think this is the calm before the storm. Not sure which way it's going to go. Doge is up @ .00000230 and looks to be rising steadily. I'm selling my paultry ~13K DOGE a day regardless.

LTC dropped below $20/USD.... BTC below $760/USD. Look to be recovering pretty strongly. F*!K... I'm so tempted to just try to day trade with a big cash injection. 10% a day on $10k is $1000/daily. Even @ 5% that's a nice raise for me.

Did TheStilt BIOSes give any boost to R9 290s?
 

KingFatty

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Is there a website that lets you display multiple charts overlaid on each other?

I want to display a chart of bitcoin price over time, and overlay a chart of litecoin vs bitcoin price.

Otherwise, if that's not available at a website, where is a good place to download data that I can just make these charts myself in Excel (e.g., download the CSV plain text or excel data file)?

I'm getting ready to make a move if it seems in the past that there is a trend that the LTC/BTC ratio rises when the price of BTC rises...
 

Torn Mind

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Not sure who are pouring all these Bitcoins into the altcoins, but damn, Kittehcoin continues to shoot up....

XIV also has tripled from a couple days....
 

taserbro

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Did TheStilt BIOSes give any boost to R9 290s?

From what I understand, TheStilt's bios modifications fixed improper factory memory timings that made some cards slower for mining, be it a 79xx, 290, 290x custom or not. The catch was that not all cards had that problem and if you are getting correct hashrates that most people report, you wouldn't benefit at all whereas if you had sub-par hashrates, the bios would bring it up to par.

From the numbers I'm seeing, my 290 doesn't need it since it's getting the same or slightly better hashrates as all of the ones out there.
 

nwo

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I'm so tempted to sell 10k doge/1LTC... But with doge difficulty on the rise, I think I'd be better off holding. I regret selling 200k for only 6.6LTC though :\
 

IEC

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Yeah I get 865 kH/s per 290 @ 1000/1370 without any voltage boost so that should be about right.
 

KingFatty

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I have a question about middlecoin. Based on how it works, will the number of workers affect you?

For example, will I make more money using one worker doing 1000 KH/s, vs. two workers doing 500 KH/s each? I'm not sure how they round off and how fast the blocks are found etc., so I'm wondering if slower/less-powerful workers will end up with a penalty because of how stales work or something? Or is it simpler in that you'll just pay twice the fees?

I guess I mean that the question is also asking about whether two independent workers, both submitting the same bitcoin address, will be treated separately and double-charged for fees etc. So I guess that's 2 parts to the question, ah, sort of trying to figure out if middlecoin will recognize you are the same person with multiple workers and therefore combine your proceeds into one "account" and not punish you for having multiple workers?
 

Attic

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Hmmm. Well, I have no idea. IMO it's unlikely to be a CPU issue, even with a low-powered CPU. People run dozens of SHA256 ASIC miners off of one CPU routinely, and those things see GHash levels, not MHash; meaning more traffic through the CPU. Standalone SHA256 ASIC miners are managed by Raspberry Pi's and other weak CPU's. I'd think that it would take a lot more than 3 GPU's to max out a single-core x86 CPU at 2.8GHz.

I'm not sure about what was causing it, but I couldn't get it figured. I got a third 280x in so I ended up swapping the mobo so I could use an i3 4330 and that got the hashes up on each of the 280x to 710 at my standard cgminer config without having to run the CPU at full speed and set cgminer to high. Other main difference in the swap was moving from Win7 to BAMT.

The sempron runs my 270's now without any hash drop vs the i5 system they came from. I'm still thinking it's related to the -g 1 vs g 2 setting in cgminer but I didn't rigerously test g 1 speeds on the 280x on the sempron vs the i3, which should be identical. I noticed in task manager that the cgminer running g 2 had a dramitically higher cpu time after a few hours of running one instance with g 2 and one with g 1. Ah well, the fun of it.
 

KlokWyze

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From what I understand, TheStilt's bios modifications fixed improper factory memory timings that made some cards slower for mining, be it a 79xx, 290, 290x custom or not. The catch was that not all cards had that problem and if you are getting correct hashrates that most people report, you wouldn't benefit at all whereas if you had sub-par hashrates, the bios would bring it up to par.

From the numbers I'm seeing, my 290 doesn't need it since it's getting the same or slightly better hashrates as all of the ones out there.

Yup. This is correct. All 3 of my cards were affected by the memory timing issues. Pure bad luck... as usual.

Hmm..... looking at KittehCoin right now.... I'll throw some BTC @ it and see if it sticks.

So... it was my understanding that Ripple and NXT were both blatant scams, but I don't think that would necessarily prevent them from taking off. Is anyone else here into either coin? I see NXT traded @ BTER and it had my considering purchasing and setting up a wallet to "forge".
 

IEC

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I have a question about middlecoin. Based on how it works, will the number of workers affect you?

For example, will I make more money using one worker doing 1000 KH/s, vs. two workers doing 500 KH/s each? I'm not sure how they round off and how fast the blocks are found etc., so I'm wondering if slower/less-powerful workers will end up with a penalty because of how stales work or something? Or is it simpler in that you'll just pay twice the fees?

I guess I mean that the question is also asking about whether two independent workers, both submitting the same bitcoin address, will be treated separately and double-charged for fees etc. So I guess that's 2 parts to the question, ah, sort of trying to figure out if middlecoin will recognize you are the same person with multiple workers and therefore combine your proceeds into one "account" and not punish you for having multiple workers?

Make one worker per PC. Making more will not help productivity, it's strictly for monitoring/getwork purposes.
 

thilanliyan

Lifer
Jun 21, 2005
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I prefer one worker per GPU myself. Reason being that sometimes when a GPU crashes, I can't just restart it in cgminer, I have to restart the cgminer instance and so I would lose some shares from the other GPUs that were fine.
 

x3sphere

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Yup. This is correct. All 3 of my cards were affected by the memory timing issues. Pure bad luck... as usual.

Hmm..... looking at KittehCoin right now.... I'll throw some BTC @ it and see if it sticks.

So... it was my understanding that Ripple and NXT were both blatant scams, but I don't think that would necessarily prevent them from taking off. Is anyone else here into either coin? I see NXT traded @ BTER and it had my considering purchasing and setting up a wallet to "forge".

I can't speak for Ripple but some people don't think NXT is fair because the coins were all pre-mined and distributed to the initial investors. I have done my research and a lot of those initial investors were selling off their coins at 1 million NXT per BTC. So it's not like all of them just sat and waited for the price to rise, some have though...

Ultimately, any large holders will have to sell off their coins or their entire stake will be worth nothing. On the tech side NXT is very promising, although the GUI is pretty primitive atm but upcoming clients will fix that.

It is being added to Vircurex this weekend supposedly, so now might be a good time buy as I can see the price rising again in the short term.

I won't deny that NXT is risky, I managed to get in at 0.00003-4 and sold off about 30 % of my holdings to cover the initial investment thanks to the recent rise. Just keeping the rest and holding long term now. NXT has the one of most dedicated communities of any crypto that I've seen, maybe behind Doge in the promotion efforts, but there's a lot more active development going on.

Just check out the thread over on Bitcointalk - over 1200 pages - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.0

Oh and as for forging, just remember there's not a lot of transactions of the network yet so you won't be earning much NXT from a block. It takes a good amount of coins to forge regularly - you'd need around 100K to hit a block every day or two probably. So don't invest if you want to just profit off forging, you'll make very little at this time.
 
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KingFatty

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Well I am curious how middlecoin handles multiple payouts to the same bitcoin address.

What if you have 3 different computers. Will each of those computers be charged the same fees by middlecoin, whether you tell them to specify the same bitcoin payment address or three separate addresses?

Another example would be if you want to devote 1000 KH/s to middlecoin. Your 3 computers have 1) 1000, 2) 500, and 3) 500. So will you get the same payout whether you put one computer doing 1000, two computers doing 500 each? Then use the other computer to mine doge directly.
 

IEC

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If you specify the same bitcoin payment address you will only be charged 1x per transaction. Specify three and you will be charged 3x the fees.

The way they calculate shares/payments is via the btc address you use to mine with. One address, hundreds of PCs is still one address = 1x fee.
 

Soulkeeper

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Using BAMT i'm unable to change voltage for my R9 270's with anything other than a bios flash. Using VBE7 and atiflash. A backup, "atiflash -s 0 xxx.rom" cannot be restored without bricking the card (fixable) unless you have first opened the backup in VBE7, change nothing, and save and use the saved file to restore OG bios. This was a real fun time figuring out.

On the 270 I have found that 0.975v will work for 975c/1200m with I-19, TC-15232 and hash at ~420 for 110 or so watts. I have one card that needs 1.025v. I have a 270x coming in that I intened to try at 1000-1200 core with 1500, 1400 and then 1200 mem at 1.075-1.100 volts.

thanks for this.

I just tried out VBE7 in wine and used the ubcd iso.
Now i've changed my 7870 from 1100/1200 1.219v to 1100/1250 1.112v
I tried 1.05v but was getting some screen flicker even at 1000/1250
~1.075 might have worked, but I just played it safe and went for 1.112v
1150/1500 is stable for hashing at 1.112v

The only thing is the voltage is still locked, i'll have to figure out where the bytes are in the rom file to change that manually if I want to fix that.
Also I assume the .fpr fan profile is for some kinda windows app ?
 
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