Crysis 2 Tessellation Article

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Genx87

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No, it a biased opinion and I look forward to your...well, nothing.

Because this is the amount of "evidence" in this thread.

Now if you insist on using it as a valid fact, you nedd to get confirmation from CryTek.

Or hell...were is Fuddy?!

That he is silent = there is no foul play.

That is the internet for you. Present a possible theory based on a personal bias. Within a few discussions the theory is absolute fact and it is every body elses job to disprove the made of theory.
 

NoQuarter

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I did say something about DA2 running horribly for an ugly looking game a few pages back. However nobody was too concern about DA2. AMD performed better than NV there.

I don't know, the DA2 issue was something everyone recognized needed to be fixed just like this poorly implemented tessellation is something that should be fixed.

Think about it.. if they kept the tessellation on the important parts of that barricade and reduced the tessellation on the flat parts it would run even better on nVidia than it does now.. I don't see why everyone doesn't want it to be touched up a bit for better performance for everyone.
 

96Firebird

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I don't see why everyone doesn't want it to be touched up a bit for better performance for everyone.

Almost everyone is fine and dandy with Crytek going back and rethinking their tessellation methods. The part that irks me is that people are claiming Nvidia had something to do with it, because their name is shown in the opening credits of the game. Instead of blaming the developer, they blame a graphics card company. Its ridiculous.
 

SirPauly

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Who said anything about mid-range cards? There's 3 current cards that give you playable framerates (~40fps) @1080, the 590, 580 and 6990. What percentage of gamers use those cards? That's why I said useless for almost everyone.

I think you may define and blanket useless too easily.

maybe the GTX 570, GTX 560 TI, GTX 480, GTX 470, HD 6970, HD 6950, X-fire and Sli configurations: 5850, 6870, 6850, GTX 460, GTX 560, to name some, with some tweaking and modest OC's --- why is this surprising? It is the Ultra setting. There are other settings to add more performance, like extreme, very high and high settings.
 
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SirPauly

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Condescend much?

You might try actually reading what people are complaining about. Nobody's complaining about the feature. Nobody's complaining about tessellation. Everyone's complaining about the shoddy implementation.

AMD often beats nVidia given same parameters. I have no idea why you say they don't. How about perf/mm^2? perf/watt? There are other areas AMD typically leads too. Like first to use GDDR5. First out with Dx11. Heck, even first with tessellation. They're even infringing on areas where nVidia has typically held the lead. SLI/Crossfire scaling. We'll see how GCN does with compute. Supposed to be much improved over the VLIW architecture. It looks like they're going to have the lead in 28nm too. I'm sure you know this though.

Have you tried the title?
 

SirPauly

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The conclusion from the X-bit article:

Now we can say that Electronic Arts have really done a good job. The DirectX 11 version of the Crysis 2 engine is a new milestone in game development. Just like the synthetic benchmark 3DMark11, EA’s game is an excruciatingly hard test for your graphics card and can stress every single unit of a modern GPU. At last, the game can be said to be worthy of its famous predecessor in terms of 3D graphics technologies.

So, is the Crysis 2 DirectX 11 Ultra Upgrade worth the long wait? Yes, of course! You will be fascinated by the beautiful visuals, yet also disappointed with the weakness of your computer’s graphics subsystem.


I don't disagree with this.
 

SirPauly

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No, not who will someday benefit from this patch? Or, who will likely benefit? Who is actually benefiting from it? It's nVidia. You could stretch it to include an extremely small percentage of gamers who own the hardware to run it. Even those are using their hi-end, minimal market share, gear very inefficiently.

Everyone benefits based on there is DirectX 11, and Ultra settings for DirectX 9 and 11, with a texture improvement. The ones that benefit the most are higher end platforms, and nVidia customers to me.
 

NIGELG

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Almost everyone is fine and dandy with Crytek going back and rethinking their tessellation methods. The part that irks me is that people are claiming Nvidia had something to do with it, because their name is shown in the opening credits of the game. Instead of blaming the developer, they blame a graphics card company. Its ridiculous.
And just as ridiculous is people jumping to Nvidia's and Crytek's defense as if these people are paid to do so by these Corporations{ATi and Nvidia both} who either don't really give a rat's a** about them or who might toss a few free pieces of hardware their way to trumpet the Company's name so they can defend companies name to deathlike good little boys and girls.

The truth is we might never know what happened in this case or in others like it....but sometimes a gut feeling is all it takes to suspect something stinks.
 

96Firebird

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I wish I was paid to post on a forum, that would be awesome...

I guess people can keep their tin foil hats on, because soon Nvidia will be powerful enough to read our minds!

I'll continue to see it as it is, a rushed out patch that was half-assed.
 

mosox

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I thought it was common knowledge by now that the TWIMTBP program consists exactly in this: Nvidia "sends" (they can work from a distance) her own programmers to help develop the game. Coding a game is the biggest cost for a game developer so the developers actually make money from it (they spend less) and Nvidia gets to "tweak" the game in order to suit their agenda.

Nvidia's coders (Nvidia employees, paid by Nvidia) are especially used in the graphical effects and multi-GPU support, game settings, etc.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/11030-twimtbp-pays-game-developers-with-free-development

All the extra tessellation in this game is done by Nvidia. One doesn't have to be Einstein to connect the dots.


 

mosox

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Yes! Now they are citing Fudzilla, this gets better and better.

Did you even bothered to read the article?

Senior Vice President, Content and Technology Tony Tamasi has confirmed this to Fudzilla and he also said that for some marketing purposes “money does exchange some hands”. This is mainly for in game and external advertising. Mr. Tamasi said that his software division of approximately 220 people cost Nvidia tens of millions
 

SirPauly

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And just as ridiculous is people jumping to Nvidia's and Crytek's defense as if these people are paid to do so by these Corporations{ATi and Nvidia both} who either don't really give a rat's a** about them or who might toss a few free pieces of hardware their way to trumpet the Company's name so they can defend companies name to deathlike good little boys and girls.

The truth is we might never know what happened in this case or in others like it....but sometimes a gut feeling is all it takes to suspect something stinks.

The same can be said about anything really. Take Red Sox nation and compare to Yankee nation or soccer teams. It's all good. Debate is healthy, it may not be ideal at all times and all part of forum lore to me.
 

SirPauly

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I thought it was common knowledge by now that the TWIMTBP program consists exactly in this: Nvidia "sends" (they can work from a distance) her own programmers to help develop the game. Coding a game is the biggest cost for a game developer so the developers actually make money from it (they spend less) and Nvidia gets to "tweak" the game in order to suit their agenda.

Nvidia's coders (Nvidia employees, paid by Nvidia) are especially used in the graphical effects and multi-GPU support, game settings, etc.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/11030-twimtbp-pays-game-developers-with-free-development

All the extra tessellation in this game is done by Nvidia. One doesn't have to be Einstein to connect the dots.




This is a good thing to me.
 

SirPauly

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I guess people can keep their tin foil hats on, because soon Nvidia will be powerful enough to read our minds!

I think it is more so to control our minds. I think between the frames they're sending subliminal messages through AFR but may have perfected it for powerful single GPU's and move it down to super-phones through Tegra.

I was vocal in the past, thought that nVidia was behind all the doom-and-gloom in gaming but the world, too. If there was a problem -- nVidia was behind it. Tested, a SLi configuration and what the hell has been happening?
 

ocre

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I cant play the tessellation with my 460. It appears the 6950 does much better than my 460. I could actually find a 6950 to buy, maybe one that could unlock. That would really be possible.... Is that part of nvidias plan too? I cant see this being logical.

But-

if i where to buy into this thinking then you have to really think it all the way through!

It appears it takes a more powerful card to get the ultra DX11 to play well. There are only 3 gpus that play these settings well, and one of them is from AMD. So if your saying its a ploy to make nvidia look better but only their more expensive cards?????. By this logic its a measured statistic that amd benefits 33% from this as well. So nvidia payed tens of millions of dollars for something that amd gets 33% of the benefits???? Looks like a win win ....but actually i think AMD comes out on top. They payed nothing and still get 33% of the benefits nvidia payed for. This is if you chose to buy into this backwards thinking. So whats the problem.
 

96Firebird

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Now we are using benchmarks from a completely different game? How far can we stretch this...



And lets take a look at a DX9 (meaning no tessellation) benchmark from the questionable-at-best source you linked to...



Looks like things don't change from DX9 to DX11...
 
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mosox

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It's another TWIMTBP game, where's the problem? Both were coded with help from the Nvidia software team. Both are running bad on AMD cards.

For the HAWX2 even Nvidia was the one who insisted that the benchmark must be included in the reviews (the game not even released), not the developer (Ubisoft).

And for the non TWITMTBP games the situation is back to normal, a $350 video card is way better than a $250 one.

 

96Firebird

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Oh, and here I thought we were talking about the tessellation in Crysis 2. I could have sworn that is what the title said...

Since we are bringing up random games, lets talk about Dragon Age II. Very rarely does a game get released that runs like utter crap on a whole line of video cards, but that happened here! And who was the "supporter"? Why, it was AMD! A "Gaming Evolved" title. Nvidia worked hard (or hardly worked, since it took so long) to get drivers out that "fixed" the issue, but why was there an issue to begin with? Almost every other game released runs on both platforms just fine, why did this game have issues?

Its too bad AMD can't "fix" the fact that their tessellation isn't up to Nvidia's, at least not until their next generation cards come out...
 

mosox

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So, tessellating hidden surfaces in order to make the competitors' cards look bad is fine?

What kind of driver improvements would make the AMD cards tessellate better?

It's sabotage and they're sabotaging their own customers too.
 
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