Cure for Death explored

[AnyMal]

Simply amazing.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Raiden256
This would basically explain the whole boy falls in a lake, drowns, then is rescusitated (sp? no idea...) much later scenario.

No, that explains why a persons metabolism and needs for O2 drop..."You're not dead until you are warm and dead" is a long standing saying in the EMS community.

As for the article, needs A LOT OF RESEARCH. I also think its a bit premature to print something like that. Even on a 12 lead in the field we can tell where a heart attack is happening because the electrical impulses travel slower, or not at all, through necrotic (dead) tissue. Starve a cell of 02 and it will die, this is anatomy/physiology 101.

I have SERIOUS reservations about this claim. (The cooling down part is correct, and is frequently used in open heart surgery...but that's to limit the hearts use of O2.)

I was waiting for you to post! And I'm glad you have the same reservations about it as I do. It's too early to state anything definite.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Wow... very interesting indeed.

 

[OutHouse]

what about the brain?

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..great article. many of the researchers doing this kind of study are on shoestring budgets. This is where the research dollars need to go not politically drivin scams like global warming.

Or unnecessary military actions.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: IGBT
..great article. many of the researchers doing this kind of study are on shoestring budgets. This is where the research dollars need to go not politically drivin scams like global warming.

Or the "War in Iraq"

OK you beat me to it.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Raiden256
This would basically explain the whole boy falls in a lake, drowns, then is rescusitated (sp? no idea...) much later scenario.

No, that explains why a persons metabolism and needs for O2 drop..."You're not dead until you are warm and dead" is a long standing saying in the EMS community.

As for the article, needs A LOT OF RESEARCH. I also think its a bit premature to print something like that. Even on a 12 lead in the field we can tell where a heart attack is happening because the electrical impulses travel slower, or not at all, through necrotic (dead) tissue. Starve a cell of 02 and it will die, this is anatomy/physiology 101.

I have SERIOUS reservations about this claim. (The cooling down part is correct, and is frequently used in open heart surgery...but that's to limit the hearts use of O2.)

But the whole point of this article is that scientists are questioning that postulate.

 

[Eeezee]

NO WAI!!!

 

[TheTony]

Contrary to the thread title, this research does not cure death. What this is is a reexamination of the generally accepted cause of cell death - lack of oxygen.

This presents an additional cause, not a redefinition of cell death.

 

[Vic]

Completely misleading thread (and article) title.

The article is about a scientific re-examination of the cause of cell death under emergency resuscitation situations, not a cure for death itself. You're still going to die from old age as your DNA steadily breaks down, this discovery does nothing to change that.

This is good stuff, I just wonder why the media always has to sensationalize everything (including things that don't need to be sensationalized).

 

[maddogchen]

...makes me think of Highlander...Decapitate him to make sure he's dead hahahah

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: TheTony
Contrary to the thread title, this research does not cure death. What this is is a reexamination of the generally accepted cause of cell death - lack of oxygen.

This presents an additional cause, not a redefinition of cell death.

I realize that. I thought more people would read the thread if the whole premise was embelished a tad in the title.

 

[sao123]

intruiging

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Vic
Completely misleading thread (and article) title.

The article is about a scientific re-examination of the cause of cell death under emergency resuscitation situations, not a cure for death itself. You're still going to die from old age as your DNA steadily breaks down, this discovery does nothing to change that.

This is good stuff, I just wonder why the media always has to sensationalize everything (including things that don't need to be sensationalized).

I think the media have very little accountability with things like this.

It gets really bad with the "promising new cancer treatment" that you'll read about every 6 months or so.

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: AgentJean
interesting indeed.
Although I'm still waiting until 2050 when I'll be able to download my brain into a computer. I'm hoping by then we have cybernetic bodies to go with the computer brains.

Positronic brain FTW!

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Vic
Completely misleading thread (and article) title.

The article is about a scientific re-examination of the cause of cell death under emergency resuscitation situations, not a cure for death itself. You're still going to die from old age as your DNA steadily breaks down, this discovery does nothing to change that.

This is good stuff, I just wonder why the media always has to sensationalize everything (including things that don't need to be sensationalized).

Right, but "old age" itself isn't a cause of death, is it? I mean there has to be some specific disease or condition that was ultimately responsible for the death, right?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Vic
Completely misleading thread (and article) title.

The article is about a scientific re-examination of the cause of cell death under emergency resuscitation situations, not a cure for death itself. You're still going to die from old age as your DNA steadily breaks down, this discovery does nothing to change that.

This is good stuff, I just wonder why the media always has to sensationalize everything (including things that don't need to be sensationalized).

Right, but "old age" itself isn't a cause of death, is it? I mean there has to be some specific disease or condition that was ultimately responsible for the death, right?

The medical terminology is "death by natural causes."

And yes, while it isn't a specific cause of death into itself, it is a fact that the eventually every organism undergoes senescence, or the process of aging, and eventually the body stops adequately regenerating and begins to break down and become more susceptible to diseases, etc. that eventually results in death.

My earlier post simply referred to the fact that the article did not refer to a "cure for death" as implied by the title.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: Eli
It's kinda mind boggling that we hadn't studied our dying cells until just recently, no?

I'm sure we have but the problem is that the bodies they get in for study likely have already tried to have been revived. They look at the cells and see that they are dead, thus they conclude that after 5 minutes or so the body cannot be revived because the cells die.

:laugh:

Dur, yeah. That's a good point. It makes me chuckle, too.

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: sicko
Damn, I was hoping I can sign up with the I want to live forever club.

<Queen> Who wants to live foreevvver? </Queen>

more like <Oasis> You and I are gonna live foreevvvvvvverrrr! </Oasis>

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Raiden256
This would basically explain the whole boy falls in a lake, drowns, then is rescusitated (sp? no idea...) much later scenario.

No, that explains why a persons metabolism and needs for O2 drop..."You're not dead until you are warm and dead" is a long standing saying in the EMS community.

As for the article, needs A LOT OF RESEARCH. I also think its a bit premature to print something like that. Even on a 12 lead in the field we can tell where a heart attack is happening because the electrical impulses travel slower, or not at all, through necrotic (dead) tissue. Starve a cell of 02 and it will die, this is anatomy/physiology 101.

I have SERIOUS reservations about this claim. (The cooling down part is correct, and is frequently used in open heart surgery...but that's to limit the hearts use of O2.)

But the whole point of this article is that scientists are questioning that postulate.

To an extent....

They did say that the cells died an hour or two after having no oxygen.

That means that someone who is suffering from advanced congestive heart failure just simply needs a new heart - their old one has too large a percentage of dead cells to operate.

It does make us question what death is, though. If someone who has just collapsed from any injury or other problem can be immediately sedated and "frozen" in time.. their chances of a 100% recovery greatly increase, within the scope of medical technology of the time.

It doesn't really matter what the cause is, besides brain injury. If you get shot in the heart, you need a new heart, but you aren't dead at that moment. Same with pretty much any other organ, again, besides your brain.

 

[Mardeth]

Cardiac arrests happen for a reason. Unless that reason isnt there anymore this wont help much. Besides I think will make you even more prone to further heart problems since I guess your body goes through a lot. But if this truly works its going save A LOT of people but its no miracle cure for everything.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

Originally posted by: AgentJean
interesting indeed.
Although I'm still waiting until 2050 when I'll be able to download my brain into a computer. I'm hoping by then we have cybernetic bodies to go with the computer brains.

Positronic brain FTW!

Actually positrons wouldn't be particularly suitable, not for computation. We're most likely looking at either electrons or photons.

 

[intogamer]

Clones from The Island for replaceable body parts FTW

You can buy a clone and fsck yourself in the ass

 

[mobobuff]

Uhhhhhhh I was under the impression that death was a vital mechanism in life...

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uhhhhhhh I was under the impression that death was a vital mechanism in life...

Depends on your scope of things.

It's not necessarily.