Current NBA Player Comes Out

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Ryan

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
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Why is this such a big deal and why do people find the need to share their sexuality? Should straight people come out as straight?

A complete idiot. Using this to get attention.


Christ - it has already been answered you fucking tool:

You say you don't advertise your sexuality? Bullshit. As others have already pointed out, every time you talk about your wife or girlfriend, you advertise it. When you show any kind of PDA (holding hands, a kiss goodbye, etc), you advertise it. Every time a breeder gets married, they advertise it.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
Oct 29, 2003
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This may come as a shock to the not-at-all-gifted in this thread, but homosexuals are not simply whatever stereotype you were taught in whatever cesspool of ignorance from which you originated.

There's the leather/S&M/bear scene:



And there's the common-man, guy-next-door who you'd never think was homosexual:



These are two types of homosexual men that make up a bigger part of the homosexual community than the stereotypes would have you believe.
 

Retro Rob

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Apr 22, 2012
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Nobody is saying there aren't gay ball players - I don't think anyone is even implying it.

However, you (YOU) would be naive to not think that many of these gay ball players are hiding in the closet, fearful about how being outed will hurt their professional careers. A decade ago, or any other time before that, this kind of news would have ruined people in the NBA.

Welcome to America. Shucks, bigotry is still a fixture in this country, not just toward homosexuals.

Weed out all bigotry, you have a better place to live.
 

crashtestdummy

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While it was a difficult thing to do personally and professionally, this isn't groundbreaking. You (generic) would be naive to not think there arent gay pro ball players.

That's basically all I'm saying.

There is one sense in which I will agree with you: this didn't happen in a vacuum. When I sent my wife a text about this, it was "the first active male athlete in a major sport came out." When you look at it that way, it's kind of an amusingly narrow qualification. We've been taking baby steps for decades. Jason Collins likely wouldn't have come out at this point without Martina Navratilova (who took the biggest step), Billy Jean King, John Amaechi, Robbie Rogers, David Kopay, Gareth Thomas, and many others setting the stage for him.

Still, this is something of a watershed. It's much like when Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2003. Public opinion of gay people didn't change massively from the day before the decision to the day after, but it still meant something as a milestone along a continuum.
 

shadow9d9

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Why is this such a big deal and why do people find the need to share their sexuality? Should straight people come out as straight?

A complete idiot. Using this to get attention.

This has already been answered in this thread.

The ridiculousness of your responses though tends to make me think that you are a closeted gay...
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Obviously to some of your persuasion, it is a BFD.

When was the last time you heard of someone getting harassed because they are straight?

When was the last time you heard of someone getting fired from their job for being straight?

When was the last time you heard of a parent disowning their child for being straight?

When was the last time you heard of someone being killed because they are straight?

I'll go ahead and answer the question for you - never. However, for someone who is gay, these kinds of concerns are very real.

You say you don't advertise your sexuality? Bullshit. As others have already pointed out, every time you talk about your wife or girlfriend, you advertise it. When you show any kind of PDA (holding hands, a kiss goodbye, etc), you advertise it. Every time a breeder gets married, they advertise it.

God help us if a queer does those very same things - suddenly a large part of society starts crying "I don't mind if you're gay, but you don't have to push it down my throat.", coupled with a plethora of jeers, snide remarks, and dirty looks (unless your one of the unlucky few who gets something worse). It's a wonder why anyone even bothers coming out anyway. Someone has to take the first step - someone has to embolden the closeted masses to stop hiding their identities, to stop living lies and start living life.

You say it doesn't matter to you, that you could care less about someone's orientation? That's a fucking lie - if it was true, you would never have replied to this thread to begin with.

Happens all the time where I live (Chelsea). BFD. I see lesbians and gay men holding hands like normal couples.
 

Ryan

Lifer
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Happens all the time where I live (Chelsea). BFD. I see lesbians and gay men holding hands like normal couples.

When was the last time you heard of someone pulling a Matthew Sheppard on someone simply because they were straight? Happens all the time? Maybe you should bring your mind back down to Earth, because obviously you spend your time on another fucking planet.

You say you live in Chelsea - I'm going to assume New York - congradufuckinglations, you live in the .01% of the world where gay people can live a semi-normal life without someone freaking the fuck out over whether someone is gay or not. Your experience is the exception, not the rule.
 

Kadarin

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My reaction to all this is to shrug. It's simply not important to me whether or not some public figure is gay, as I really don't care. Good for them for coming out, I suppose.

I'm not being derogatory at all; I think if everyone felt the way I do about it, this would be a total non-issue and that's a very good thing.
 

Ryan

Lifer
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My reaction to all this is to shrug. It's simply not important to me whether or not some public figure is gay, as I really don't care. Good for them for coming out, I suppose.

I'm not being derogatory at all; I think if everyone felt the way I do about it, this would be a total non-issue and that's a very good thing.

I pretty much said the same thing. I can't wait for the day when this kind of stuff isn't news - when someone can be gay without controversy.

It's sad that we're not there yet, but this is the first step towards inevitable normalization - Prominent figures have to step forward to break stereotypes and stigmas.
 

Theb

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34-year-old NBA center
He's nearing the end of his career. The cynic in me thinks the coming book deal and speaking tours are a big part of his motivation.
 

Theb

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Nobody will sign him now. He is damaged goods. I think he is retiring and just wanted to make a statement before doing so.

Signing him would be a good business decision. It will be nonstop publicity all season long.
 

Dari

Lifer
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He's nearing the end of his career. The cynic in me thinks the coming book deal and speaking tours are a big part of his motivation.

WTF would want to buy that book? Seriously, who gives a shit? If I announce the type of women I like will that make the frontpage of CNN? Christ, some people think too much of themselves.
 

Abe Froman

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That was a great read, his POV and his hope for response to this news to be about his character as opposed to orientation were really great. Hopefully other players read that far before responding publicly.

It's a shame that being out as a celebrity has become the bigger part of your identity. It's only one facet of who you are as a person. Your character and personality shouldn't take a back seat to your sexual preference.
 

Abe Froman

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There are surely gays in every pro sport but how many of them are out?

Eventually I hope that the publicly known sexual orientation of pro sports players is a non-issue. I do take offense as to how some people trivialize something that isn't trivial on a historical or personal level while wielding no life experience that makes their opinion valuable.

I would hope that it will someday be trivial. It's nobody's business at the end of the day. I'm hopeful that someday, "coming out" won't even be necessary. While I believe that we'll look back on this as a big turning point. We are ready to have open athletes, and this will just be the start. Eventually, it will be the norm. Just a final line in an article, like "Jason is married to his husband of x # of years; they have 3 children."
 

Retro Rob

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There is one sense in which I will agree with you: this didn't happen in a vacuum. When I sent my wife a text about this, it was "the first active male athlete in a major sport came out." When you look at it that way, it's kind of an amusingly narrow qualification. We've been taking baby steps for decades. Jason Collins likely wouldn't have come out at this point without Martina Navratilova (who took the biggest step), Billy Jean King, John Amaechi, Robbie Rogers, David Kopay, Gareth Thomas, and many others setting the stage for him.

Still, this is something of a watershed. It's much like when Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2003. Public opinion of gay people didn't change massively from the day before the decision to the day after, but it still meant something as a milestone along a continuum.

Hmm.. I was listening to Rome today and he said something that didn't make sense to me: "He came out to live his life... you can live your life, why can't he live his?". You can't blame that on a cruel world -- millions of people haven't, but gays can?

I will admit -- society can make a person uncomfortable, but ultimately, you can't let people control your actions like that and then you think you deserve some sort of welcoming party when you decide to take control of your life again. Why couldn't Collins live his life? Because HE didn't want to yet.

Really, as a black man in America, if I let racists whites keep me from moving into a certain area, marry a white woman, work in white corporate America, can I get an audience for "taking control" of my life and getting that good job, marrying that woman, moving into that white neighborhood? While many may applaud my bravery, those people who are honest with me and themselves will say that they're glad I finally did something I should have done a long time ago -- taking control of my life and to keep it moving... what I did was nothing special, and defintely not worth attention-whoring Sports Illustrated over.
 

thraashman

Lifer
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My reaction to all this is to shrug. It's simply not important to me whether or not some public figure is gay, as I really don't care. Good for them for coming out, I suppose.

I'm not being derogatory at all; I think if everyone felt the way I do about it, this would be a total non-issue and that's a very good thing.

And that's honestly the right reaction to have. It means that someone being gay is such a non factor to you that it doesn't matter if they are. When the entire world is like that for everything (race, gender, sexual orientation), then we'll finally live in a happy world.
 

Ryan

Lifer
Oct 31, 2000
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Hmm.. I was listening to Rome today and he said something that didn't make sense to me: "He came out to live his life... you can live your life, why can't he live his?". You can't blame that on a cruel world -- millions of people haven't, but gays can?

I will admit -- society can make a person uncomfortable, but ultimately, you can't let people control your actions like that and then you think you deserve some sort of welcoming party when you decide to take control of your life again. Why couldn't Collins live his life? Because HE didn't want to yet.

Really, as a black man in America, if I let racists whites keep me from moving into a certain area, marry a white woman, work in white corporate America, can I get an audience for "taking control" of my life and getting that good job, marrying that woman, moving into that white neighborhood? While many may applaud my bravery, those people who are honest with me and themselves will say that they're glad I finally did something I should have done a long time ago -- taking control of my life and to keep it moving... what I did was nothing special, and defintely not worth attention-whoring Sports Illustrated over.

As a black man, it surprises me that you aren't more cognizant of the stigma the black community has with homosexuality.

On a side note, he isn't coming out and demanding that everyone congradulate him for it - did you bother to read what he wrote? That couldn't be farther from the truth. I don't understand the need to twist his words to make it seem as if he is throwing a party or something - the man wrote a letter.

You say it isn't a big deal - congrats for being so progressive and move on. Word of mouth has caused this story to go viral - good or bad, this topic is still clearly a big deal for many Americans....
 
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