Yes it is... because if your comfort depends on whether or not you know that someone in the locker room is gay, it is a matter of insecurity and being unjustifiably fearful.. aka being a pussy.
I wasn't aware that changing in the same locker room would lead to rape. Or was there any good reason you brought that up.
Here we are, in a thread about homosexuality, and you are claiming that unwanted advances, being a victim, and rape don't apply to the same gender. Boy aren't we confused.
Does it matter why women/men would be uncomfortable sharing a locker room? If it just because they know that the other might be attracted to them and might check them out while undressing then they are just being a pussy for wanting a separate locker room?
A lot of pussies out there. :\
What he is saying is that men are physically stronger than women. Women would be in a vulnerable position if the lockers were mixed. This is not the case with homosexual men. You are creating a false equivalence.
The fear that it might lead to unwanted sexual advances or rape is a part of it, especially for women in a locker room where both males and females were changing.
You now know he is gay. May cause discomfort for some players/people. Uncomfortable players probably aren't the best performers/athletes. Makes sense to alleviate discomfort, where possible.
Perhaps that discomfort is ridiculous, I haven't said it isn't. Just saying that we give women a different locker room for a lot of the same reasons. Why not just make two locker rooms for homo and hetero?
But that somehow that fear doesn't apply to the same sex. If rape is the only reason for separate locker rooms then you are making a pretty good case for hetero/homo ones as well seeing is how rape is possible here as well.
So all homosexual men are stronger than heterosexual men?
Possible, but less likely than in a mixed gender locker room.
And aside from that, if your concerns were so valid, why hasn't the military found it necessary to make separate homo/hetero barracks/showers since DADT was eliminated?
Being left-handed isn't normal either... and I'm not sure if there ever was any stigma/fear/apprehension directed toward those who are left-handed back when such things were discovered, but it would be a similar scenario.
Able, perhaps, but we're also able to nuke just about any country on the planet and we're also able to return to the moon.. yet we don't and we haven't. Young people of today regard being homosexual as no more significant of an abnormality as being left-handed, so few (if any) will care to intervene in the fetus's development.
We separate locker rooms based on SEX (GENDER), not SEXUALITY. There is a massive difference.
Not when the reason for their division is based on how sexualities cause different treatment of the opposite or same sex.
Do you think a gay man will treat you any different than a straight man in the locker room? This argument is becoming absolutely moronic.
Biff, I'm confused as to what you think the solution is. Because, and this is important, this guy has been in the NBA sharing a locker room with teammates for 12 years, and he's been gay the entire time. Did anything happen? Was he constantly walking around with a towel on to hide his raging erection from being surrounded by naked men? Doesn't really sound like it according to his former teammates... So if he's able to control himself while no one knows he's gay, is coming out going to make him into a complete flamer in the locker room?
I have news for you. If you've ever used a gym locker room, chances are pretty good that a gay person may have checked you out. But given the stigma against unwanted advances by homophobic sorts like yourself, most gay men are pretty good about not pursuing locker room flirtation. So your point comes across as... well, idiotic. This guy has a twelve year history of not having any locker room issues with teammates, and your big concern is how people might worry that he's seen them naked? Talk about complete nonsense.
I would have actually addressed your sincere and valid question up until the point where you chose to insult me using complete lies. I am not a homophobe. I have two immediate family members who are gay and I love them just the same. I have not and never will have a problem with homosexuals. Nowhere in any of my comments or questions did I indicate I have an issue with homosexuals. I have actually discussed this issue with both of them and they see it as a valid argument but no easy solution, as with most of these issues.
My question was one of a practical nature but as is normally the case here you and others of your ilk never seem to get beyond petty insults based on ASSumption and your own intolerance whenever you get the chance.
Well I apologize if you took issue with my tone, which I admit was snarkier than I was intending. But I just don't understand the "no one is allowed to check me out" mentality, because there is literally nothing you can do to control that. A perfectly straight man might check you out in a locker room to see if he measures up. There's nothing you can do to prevent it. Do you give everyone private stalls so they can keep away from prying eyes? And given that this man spent 12 years in NBA locker rooms without a soul realizing he was gay, does it even matter?
I have actually discussed this issue with both of them and they see it as a valid argument but no easy solution, as with most of these issues.
I don't know any gay person that would consider that a valid argument.
Valid points. This is exactly why I asked about separate male/female locker rooms. It would seem that much of the reason behind this is for the comfort of both sexes. That is unless you think its to just to avoid rape as some morons on here seem to believe. If it is about comfort or not making people feel uncomfortable when undressing then why not apply the same standard here. If people have a problem sharing a locker room with a homosexual person, make two locker rooms.
No one is saying that just because they are attracted to the same sex they are going to sneak a peak, or walk around with a raging hard on. There is no guarantee this happens between any given man or woman or group of men or women. But we still have separate locker rooms because the potential is there. Same principle could be applied here, could it not?
Of course, none of this matters if you subscribe to the thinking that having one male/female locker room would lead to a rapefest, which I kind of doubt you do.
Edit: I have been talking in general. Not this case specifically. No reason to think that anything changes after 12 years in the case of this player but there is no guarantee. Also, we can expect more players to start "coming out" so a policy decision on this issue is wise for the long term benefit of the sports/teams/athletes.
What if a new player comes along that has an issue sharing a locker room with homosexuals?
Great argument. There are a lot of people who aren't as close minded as yourself so this comes as no surprise.
But given the stigma against unwanted advances by homophobic sorts like yourself, most gay men are pretty good about not pursuing locker room flirtation.
Edit: I have been talking in general. Not this case specifically. No reason to think that anything changes after 12 years in the case of this player but there is no guarantee. Also, we can expect more players to start "coming out" so a policy decision on this issue is wise for the long term benefit of the sports/teams/athletes.
What if a new player comes along that has an issue sharing a locker room with homosexuals?
Whoa, whoa... are you saying that straight men who aren't interested in gay "advances" are "homophobic"?
Please tell me you aren't implying this... and sorry if I am jumping to conclusions.
EDIT: Or, the "stigma" is that a gay man is interested in every straight man in a lockerroom setting... gotcha'!
Nothing. The franchise ownership would never bow to such a demand nor would the league allow them to. Not to mention the near certainly of running up against anti-discrimination law in several states.