Cyberhome DVD player *progressive scan* 69.99 bb

[trikster2]

There seems to be a lot of confusion and misinformation in this thread.

These days even some of the cheapest DIGITAL RCA 32" and 36" TVs come with a YPrPb component input.

According to RCA:
Question: What is a YPrPb with Audio Connection? Article #1953*
A. Allows for connection of regular-or progressive-scan DVD players or component-output cable boxes.

The documentation for the cyberhome states:
Component Video Connectors
Y, Pr & Pb connectors for use with TVs
compatible with Component Video and/or
Progressive Scan Video.


To me it looks like putting a square peg in a square hole.

Spending an extra few bucks on the progressive scan would be win-win as long as the TV has the YPrPb component inputs.

Unfortunately I'm not buying my new TV until after Xmas, so I'll have to wait until then if the book larnin corresponds with real life.




Here is a great progressive scan tutorial

 

[mboy]

The only confusion and misinformation is coming from you.


ANYONE else reading this thread and is hoping to use a progressive scan DVD player on a non progressive capable tv (HDTV) WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT, unless you switch it to interlaced mode and not Progressive scan mode, despite what mr "information" posts here!

 

[trikster2]

Originally posted by: mboy
The only confusion and misinformation is coming from you.


ANYONE else reading this thread and is hoping to use a progressive scan DVD player on a non progressive capable tv (HDTV) WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT, unless you switch it to interlaced mode and not Progressive scan mode, despite what mr "information" posts here!

Do some studying.

There's a lot of good info out there, unfortunately not a lot of it came from this thread.

You do not need an HDTV to be progressive cable:


HDTV (High Definition TV) is the high definition standard of DTV. HDTV includes the 1080i and 720p resolutions. The lower DTV resolutions (480i and 480p) are part of SDTV (Standard Definition TV). Analog TV broadcasts can also display 480i, but those signals are not transmitted digitally.

Like I said, after doing my research and after xmas I will be buying a cheap 32 or 36 inch TV with progressive inputs and getting an inexpensive DVD player with progressive outputs.

I'll let you know then if my book learning matches the real world.....

 

[mboy]

Well, mr. know it all, considering I OWN AN HDTV, several non HDTV's a PROGRESSIVE SCAN DVD player and non progressive scan DVD player, I think my real world knowledge is a lot better then your miscomprhension of the real world.

AS I HAVE STATED NOW 6 or 7 times in this thread, you need an Extended Definition TV (which NO one manufactures anymore, NO ONE), OR a Hi Definition TV to view progrssive scan. The cheapest you will find a brand new TV that can view a progressive output from a progressive scan DVD player costs $800 or so from SAMSUNG (nice TV by the way).

Since I could care less abot Trikster2 (since I a the 3rd of 4th person who has already stated that you cant do what he wants to do, even tho he has "read" (which he did not) it can, I just dont want anyone else to think that this is possible.


Trikster2, do me a favor, please go out and buy your $300 TV and your $80 progressive DVD, select Progressive Scan with the little switch on back of the DVD player and let me know how great your new setup looks!!!

Better yet, go to http://www.hometheaterforum.com and post your new found knowledge about Progressive scan there. I am sure those guys would luv to here about your reading comprehension skills and your stellar knowledge of 480 interlaced images compared to 480 progressive scan imaging.
A$$HOLE!

BTW, you must be the same type of guy who has his MCSE, but doesnt know how to reset an admin password because "it isnt in is book of real world knowledge"

Let us know how great your setup looks Mr real world book information, HAHAHAHA!!!

 

[isaacmacdonald]

does anyone have links to these SDTV televisions that have component in and ARE capable of displaying 480p? I'd love to find a midrange progressive scan TV to go with this dvd player. I tried to search for these, but came up with nada. Cheapest TV that claims progressive display capabilities is the samsung 30" 16x9 hdtv ($999.00 @ best buy)

 

[GnatGoSplat]

Originally posted by: trikster2
There seems to be a lot of confusion and misinformation in this thread.

These days even some of the cheapest DIGITAL RCA 32" and 36" TVs come with a YPrPb component input.

According to RCA:
Question: What is a YPrPb with Audio Connection? Article #1953*
A. Allows for connection of regular-or progressive-scan DVD players or component-output cable boxes.

The documentation for the cyberhome states:
Component Video Connectors
Y, Pr & Pb connectors for use with TVs
compatible with Component Video and/or
Progressive Scan Video.


To me it looks like putting a square peg in a square hole.

Spending an extra few bucks on the progressive scan would be win-win as long as the TV has the YPrPb component inputs.

Unfortunately I'm not buying my new TV until after Xmas, so I'll have to wait until then if the book larnin corresponds with real life.




Here is a great progressive scan tutorial

HAHAHA! Looks like YOU'RE the one spreading misinformation and you have the nerve to be condescending about it, LOL!!!
Component video is nothing but a physical interface. It has nothing to do with interlaced vs. non-interlaced.

Y, Pb, Pr: Y corresponds to the luminance signal, Pb corresponds to the scaled B-Y color difference signal, and Pr corresponds to the scaled R-Y color difference signal.

It has nothing to do with whether the set supports 480p or not.

Think of it this way... you have a standard DB15 VGA connector on your computer. Let's say you have a good one that can display resolutions like 2048x1536 non-interlaced.
Sure, you can plug an OLD 640x480 monitor from 1990. The VGA connector is the same physical connector with the same pinouts. Your new video card can drive this monitor with a standard 640x480 resolution where scan rates are compatible. But what happens when you try to send this old monitor a 2048x1536 resolution? It doesn't work!!! The scan rates are outside of the monitor's physical capabilities!

So you can have component out on a DVD player that supports 480p progressive scan (non-interlaced). But you can also have a lower-end TV with component inputs that can't support progressive scan and only takes 480i (interlaced).

Bah, why do I bother, you won't believe me anyway.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: GnatGoSplat

Originally posted by: trikster2
There seems to be a lot of confusion and misinformation in this thread.

These days even some of the cheapest DIGITAL RCA 32" and 36" TVs come with a YPrPb component input.

According to RCA:
Question: What is a YPrPb with Audio Connection? Article #1953*
A. Allows for connection of regular-or progressive-scan DVD players or component-output cable boxes.

The documentation for the cyberhome states:
Component Video Connectors
Y, Pr & Pb connectors for use with TVs
compatible with Component Video and/or
Progressive Scan Video.


To me it looks like putting a square peg in a square hole.

Spending an extra few bucks on the progressive scan would be win-win as long as the TV has the YPrPb component inputs.

Unfortunately I'm not buying my new TV until after Xmas, so I'll have to wait until then if the book larnin corresponds with real life.




Here is a great progressive scan tutorial

HAHAHA! Looks like YOU'RE the one spreading misinformation and you have the nerve to be condescending about it, LOL!!!
Component video is nothing but a physical interface. It has nothing to do with interlaced vs. non-interlaced.

Y, Pb, Pr: Y corresponds to the luminance signal, Pb corresponds to the scaled B-Y color difference signal, and Pr corresponds to the scaled R-Y color difference signal.

It has nothing to do with whether the set supports 480p or not.

Think of it this way... you have a standard DB15 VGA connector on your computer. Let's say you have a good one that can display resolutions like 2048x1536 non-interlaced.
Sure, you can plug an OLD 640x480 monitor from 1990. The VGA connector is the same physical connector with the same pinouts. Your new video card can drive this monitor with a standard 640x480 resolution where scan rates are compatible. But what happens when you try to send this old monitor a 2048x1536 resolution? It doesn't work!!! The scan rates are outside of the monitor's physical capabilities!

So you can have component out on a DVD player that supports 480p progressive scan (non-interlaced). But you can also have a lower-end TV with component inputs that can't support progressive scan and only takes 480i (interlaced).

Bah, why do I bother, you won't believe me anyway.

Geez, some people man. Anyway, I actually hope Trikster2 wastes his moeny. He deservers ir for bein an absolute idiot. I just dont wont anyone else who is reading the thread to beleive what he is saying and waste their hard earned dolars. Besides, how good can the progressive display be from an $80 dvd player. I wonder which chip is in it.
You really want to screw this Trikster2 idiot up? Tell him his new TV wont be able to display3:2 pulldown

 

[JPSJPS]

YUP!
This post has to do with how the TV scans the electron beam across the tube to paint the picture.
The electronics in the TV produce the vertical and horizontal scanning signals that control the beam.
In the standard interlaced scanning TV, The beam is scanned first from top to bottom painting every other line.
Next, the beam is scanned top to bottom again filling in the lines not painted in the first scan.
This two step process to paint the full picture is called interlacing.

Then, this interlacing process is repeated and repeated forever to paint new pictures.

Now, the signals from the DVD do nothing to control the interlaced/non-interlaced beam scanning. It does not matter how these signals get to the TV. These signals only control the intensity/color of the beam to paint the proper picture.

Thus, if you have the standard interlaced scanning TV, it will only display interlaced color control signals from the DVD.

Oversimplified for clarity, John

 

[allisolm]

Best Buy ad in the 12/5 newspaper has it for $69.99 CH-DVD 500.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: JPSJPS
YUP!
This post has to do with how the TV scans the electron beam across the tube to paint the picture.
The electronics in the TV produce the vertical and horizontal scanning signals that control the beam.
In the standard interlaced scanning TV, The beam is scanned first from top to bottom painting every other line.
Next, the beam is scanned top to bottom again filling in the lines not painted in the first scan.
This two step process to paint the full picture is called interlacing.

Then, this interlacing process is repeated and repeated forever to paint new pictures.

Now, the signals from the DVD do nothing to control the interlaced/non-interlaced beam scanning. It does not matter how these signals get to the TV. These signals only control the intensity/color of the beam to paint the proper picture.

Thus, if you have the standard interlaced scanning TV, it will only display interlaced color control signals from the DVD.

Oversimplified for clarity, John

But his book doesnt say that

 

[Dood]

Very nice, but does this thing play DVD-Rs?

 

[drewdogg808]

Originally posted by: mboy
Well, mr. know it all, considering I OWN AN HDTV, several non HDTV's a PROGRESSIVE SCAN DVD player and non progressive scan DVD player, I think my real world knowledge is a lot better then your miscomprhension of the real world.

AS I HAVE STATED NOW 6 or 7 times in this thread, you need an Extended Definition TV (which NO one manufactures anymore, NO ONE), OR a Hi Definition TV to view progrssive scan. The cheapest you will find a brand new TV that can view a progressive output from a progressive scan DVD player costs $800 or so from SAMSUNG (nice TV by the way).

Since I could care less abot Trikster2 (since I a the 3rd of 4th person who has already stated that you cant do what he wants to do, even tho he has "read" (which he did not) it can, I just dont want anyone else to think that this is possible.


Trikster2, do me a favor, please go out and buy your $300 TV and your $80 progressive DVD, select Progressive Scan with the little switch on back of the DVD player and let me know how great your new setup looks!!!

Better yet, go to http://www.hometheaterforum.com and post your new found knowledge about Progressive scan there. I am sure those guys would luv to here about your reading comprehension skills and your stellar knowledge of 480 interlaced images compared to 480 progressive scan imaging.
A$$HOLE!

BTW, you must be the same type of guy who has his MCSE, but doesnt know how to reset an admin password because "it isnt in is book of real world knowledge"

Let us know how great your setup looks Mr real world book information, HAHAHAHA!!!

man, trikster2 has no idea what he's talking about. mboy, on the other hand, is exactly correct. i don't own any progressive scan dvd player or hdtv, but i worked in the home theatre dept. at bb (yeah, i know...bb is suck) and have done quite a bit of research on the dvd players and tvs that were being sold (regarding progressive scan, component video, interlace/de-interlace). but if i were to get a hdtv, i don't think i would get a $80 dvd player.

 

[jamnjk]

Like allisolm said this player is on sale at b&m Best Buy for $69.99 until December 7th. Those that got the 10% coupon in the mail can knock off another $7. I think I'll get one.

 

[RedlineSys]

Originally posted by: Dood
Very nice, but does this thing play DVD-Rs?

Yes, I read somewhere that it DOES read DVD-Rs just fine.

 

[freakylink]

went up to $119 today

 

[Schwan]

Damn! I was going to buy it today.

It's still 82.99 at googlegear. I might get it from there.

 

[sjwaste]

Even at the current $119.99 price, its a good deal. My cousin just bought one of these. It decodes DD and DTS, has the 6 individual channel RCA outputs on the back. If your receiver doesn't have a decoder but is 5.1 ready, $120 is a steal for a good quality DVD player with that capability.

 

[Schwan]

Anybody still thinking of getting this player, it's only 59.99 at bestbuy.com right now.

Better act quick!!!!

 

[amdi8]

OK, I just got the DVD player today. I hooked it up, played around with it and the veredict is... it's going back to Best Buy. It has problems playing several totally normal DVDs. Every so often one frame will flash in the middle of the movie. I even upgraded the firmware to the latest version. That is totally unacceptable.

The image quality itself... it seemed a bit softer/blurrier than my basic Toshiba player, but that could have been my imagination, or the fact that the video output was very different and I had to recalibrate most of my video settings. Progressive scan was nice, but it had some very minor artifacts when switching cameras from one frame to another (like it was trying to double the previous frame even though the camera changed).

It certainly had no problem playing PAL DVDs without any special settings or anything.

Too bad, because it was promising and the price was certainly right. By the way, for anybody else thinking of returning it, you can return it to a nearby Best Buy store even if you mail ordered. I just read that in their web site, so it will make things easier (no shipping hassles).

 

[mboy]

Why would anyone think a $60-80 Progressive scan DVD player would be any good?
A good deinterlacing chip to build a decent one costs more then $80

 

[vidgamefan]

The reason they make cheap progressive players like this is so people can truly appreciate what a good progressive player brings to the table.

Comparing this Cyberhome model to the best progressive player under $300 (Panasonic RP-82 ~$200), you'll feel like you wiped a layer of vaseline off your HDTV screen.

 

[amdi8]

Originally posted by: mboy
Why would anyone think a $60-80 Progressive scan DVD player would be any good?
A good deinterlacing chip to build a decent one costs more then $80

Why not? I'm willing to believe it until I try it. It's like saying "why would anybody believe that they can make a good CD player under $50". Well, yeah, they can ;-)

But in this case, and for the moment being, apparently you are right. Oh well, at least Best Buy is really good about returns.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: amdi8

Originally posted by: mboy
Why would anyone think a $60-80 Progressive scan DVD player would be any good?
A good deinterlacing chip to build a decent one costs more then $80

Why not? I'm willing to believe it until I try it. It's like saying "why would anybody believe that they can make a good CD player under $50". Well, yeah, they can ;-)

But in this case, and for the moment being, apparently you are right. Oh well, at least Best Buy is really good about returns.

Becasue Cd technology has been around and mainstream longer then progressive scan DVD tech which is hardly main stream right now, hence the higher costs of good components.

Progressive DVD players prices have dropped tremendously the past 2 years. The top sub $250 player (Panny and a couple of others) were in the 4-500 range 2 years ago. HIghquality progressive and sub $100 wont be here until HD DVD is sorted out and rolled out.

 

[Dood]

This player is a steal at $69 from BB. There is a remote hack for region coding and macrovision posted at dvdrhelp.com. And the manufacturer seems to have great support and even posts ISOs of firmware upgrades on their website (usually done only by hackers).

Go get one of these!!!

 

[Fant]

I bought this DVD player and so far it works great. Plays all my commercial dvds fine and my svcds as well. Some people forgot to mention that it features an onboard DD and DTS DECODER! I havent seen a single dvd player with a DTS decoder. What that means is you can get one of those cheap computer 5.1 speaker sets and hook it up to this to get true DTS surround sound. Perfect for a bedroom where you dont want a huge receiver....buy this and a cheap 5.1 set for the bedroom and you're all set. Although I didnt get a chance to use the progressive output yet (it doesnt seem to sync with my DLP projector), my friend tried it and while he said the quality was good (3:2 pulldown i believe), he noticed a color shift. Not sure if that was the player or his TV tho.