Cyberpunk 2077

[repoman0]

Talking about DLSS level without specifying native resolution is meaningless. To me DLSS performance mode looks excellent, but I’m running 4k native so it’s rendering internally at 1080p. That’s still a lot of information to work with, and the output on my screen is sharp and detailed with minimal to no obvious difference. People running the same DLSS level at 1080p are rendering at 540p, which obviously is a quarter of the detail and way less information to work with. Most of these posts making the blanket “DLSS qUaLiTy lOoKs gr8 but PeRfOrmanCe l00ks tr4sh” statement are running 1080 or 1440p which means quality is rendering at 720p/1080p respectively.

The game is excellent aside from visuals as well IMO. Really fun and great feeling combat and stealth. I’ve barely moved the main story in favor of finding all the question mark locations and quests as I always get trapped doing in this type of game.

 

[zinfamous]

sooooo ...

the actual game reviews .. by which, i mean "the people bitching on Reddit" .. are not great. The general feeling seems to be that "it's ok, but underwhelming".

It's closer to the Mafia games than something like GTA or even Witcher 3--very open, open world games. I only just got through the prologue, having spent...11 hours, maybe? It's very cinematic and story-driven. A lot of time is spent just watching things happen, early on at least. I also have it set to hard, and I'm getting my ass kicked, so I spend a lot of time redoing firefights, lol. The side missions that I have tried so far, mostly kicked my ass, so I decided to just proceed with the story a bit and get more familiar with the game and try to work on my build a bit; but I think I have been putting points into something that is probably better late game--say, when I have plenty of skill points and attribute levels to make it work. I might be getting too generalized already, trying to hand gun, cyber, blade, and sneak on things. My cyber stuff is way underdeveloped and doesn't seem to do much of anything, up to level 8 or 9, where I am right now. It's possible that I've skipped some things, but I also think I have some more general unlocking to do, just after this prologue.

I like the skill progression, though, which rewards you perk points (general, so you can use them however you want), for using any of your attribute-based skills. It triggers that level up bug at a decent pace. The itemization looks good so far, and the crafting, but I've barely touched it.

Otherwise, the game has played fine for me. I'm at high/ultra (default) on 3440x1440 with my Vega 64, and have had zero issues when it matters--shootouts. Only FPS drops that I've noticed are some required "mirror scenes" and cinematic stuff at the end of the prologue.

I'm guessing that people who wanted completely open world (and I'd say this is still pretty open) and/or really were disappointed by Mafia II, are going to be disappointed here, in that same sort of way. Personally, I liked Mafia II for what it was, even though that world was almost completely empty. (CP is not nearly that empty, though)

 

[Ricky T]

Talking about DLSS level without specifying native resolution is meaningless. To me DLSS performance mode looks excellent, but I’m running 4k native so it’s rendering internally at 1080p. That’s still a lot of information to work with, and the output on my screen is sharp and detailed with minimal to no obvious difference. People running the same DLSS level at 1080p are rendering at 540p, which obviously is a quarter of the detail and way less information to work with. Most of these posts making the blanket “DLSS qUaLiTy lOoKs gr8 but PeRfOrmanCe l00ks tr4sh” statement are running 1080 or 1440p which means quality is rendering at 720p/1080p respectively.

The game is excellent aside from visuals as well IMO. Really fun and great feeling combat and stealth. I’ve barely moved the main story in favor of finding all the question mark locations and quests as I always get trapped doing in this type of game.

If you're referring to what I said then the actual native resolution doesn't have squat to do with what I'm actually saying. Again maybe read a little closer as my point is that dlss has more aliasing than native resolution in this game which is the exact opposite as it was in Control and Death Stranding were enabling dlss cleared up aliasing not made it worse.

 

[repoman0]

It's closer to the Mafia games than something like GTA or even Witcher 3--very open, open world games. I only just got through the prologue, having spent...11 hours, maybe? It's very cinematic and story-driven. A lot of time is spent just watching things happen, early on at least. I also have it set to hard, and I'm getting my ass kicked, so I spend a lot of time redoing firefights, lol. The side missions that I have tried so far, mostly kicked my ass, so I decided to just proceed with the story a bit and get more familiar with the game and try to work on my build a bit; but I think I have been putting points into something that is probably better late game--say, when I have plenty of skill points and attribute levels to make it work. I might be getting too generalized already, trying to hand gun, cyber, blade, and sneak on things. My cyber stuff is way underdeveloped and doesn't seem to do much of anything, up to level 8 or 9, where I am right now. It's possible that I've skipped some things, but I also think I have some more general unlocking to do, just after this prologue.

Yeah I’m thinking I’m becoming too generalized as well already .. pretty much level 6 all around. I want to be able to do all the things that the game has to offer but am going to end up underpowered. Like you I’ve died plenty but am slowly learning it and dying a bit less. The cyberpsycho side fights are good for learning combat a bit better and figuring out how to kill things without running out of ammo.

 

[DigDog]

bloody hell, 11 hours for the prologue.

ok, we'll see later on. I'm not buying for now, i've already got a game to go through before i can justify more money.

 

[repoman0]

If you're referring to what I said then your comment is borderline idiotic.The actual native resolution doesn't have jack squat to do with what I'm actually saying. Again maybe read a little closer as my point is that dlss has more aliasing than native resolution in this game which is the exact opposite as it was in Control and Death Stranding were enabling dlss cleared up aliasing not made it worse.

I didn’t quote you, didn’t really read your posts, and wasn’t talking to you, but thanks.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I don't give a crap what he said as I know what I'm looking at and I spent about an hour going back and forth comparing all the different dlss modes and comparing native. This is not an opinion and instead is an absolute 100% fact where I'm testing at and looking at the aliasing is worse with dlss on. Perhaps when I'll get home I'll make a simple little video and show you since clearly nobody else seems to have the ability to see this for themselves.

Given a choice between your unsubstantiated rant, and a YT channel I respect, actually showing footage.

It's only reasonable to believe the latter.

His footage clearly shows a stable well controlled presentation for DLSS, and an aliasing mess of shimmer, flashing, and image break up, for native.

It's no contest really. It's exactly the same thing Digital Foundry showed for Death Stranding.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah I’m thinking I’m becoming too generalized as well already .. pretty much level 6 all around. I want to be able to do all the things that the game has to offer but am going to end up underpowered. Like you I’ve died plenty but am slowly learning it and dying a bit less. The cyberpsycho side fights are good for learning combat a bit better and figuring out how to kill things without running out of ammo.

...didn't know there were more than one cyberpsychos, heh. Ran into one and it pasted me all over the alleyway. Then I just equipped a hammer that I had aquired (the complete opposite of what I have been tricking out--Body is still at 3 for me, lol), and hammered him to death. Amazing how weak he was to up-close bludgeoning and staggering, vs handgun and stabby where I could barely touch him, much less damage him

 

[zinfamous]

bloody hell, 11 hours for the prologue.

ok, we'll see later on. I'm not buying for now, i've already got a game to go through before i can justify more money.

I'm slow, and I died. A lot. I think people are going through it much faster.

 

[Ricky T]

Given a choice between your unsubstantiated rant, and a YT channel I respect, actually showing footage.

It's only reasonable to believe the latter.

His footage clearly shows a stable well controlled presentation for DLSS, and an aliasing mess of shimmer, flashing, and image break up, for native.

It's no contest really. It's exactly the same thing Digital Foundry showed for Death Stranding.

Let me make it real simple for you and hopefully you can comprehend this or maybe find somebody in your house to help you. When looking directly at an object say in the garage area that has aliasing with dlss on quality that aliasing is nearly eliminated when going back to native resolution. Or let's flip it the other way around when looking at an area or an edge of an object that has little to no aliasing at native resolution switching to dlss even in quality mode produces more aliasing. You don't even have to move out of the same damn spot you're in to see that just change those settings and keep looking at the same image and anyone with halfway normal vision can see the damn aliasing . So I don't give a rat's behind if all you want to do is believe in him I'm telling you exactly what I saw because I noticed it very easily when starting the game and wanted to test it out because again usually dlss cleans up the aliasing where it actually does the opposite in this game. And in that brain of yours why in the hell would I have an unsubstantiated rant about this if it wasn't something that I clearly saw? Really what would be the point of that? Geez use your goddamn brain.

And as I already said I'll post a little video when I get home or maybe show some screenshots if that works. But of course based on your other idiotic replies I assume you won't believe that since I'm not some well-known YouTuber.

 

[zinfamous]

Let me make it real simple for you and hopefully you can comprehend this or maybe find somebody in your house to help you. When looking directly out of image say in the garage area that has aliasing with dlss on quality that aliasing is nearly eliminated when going back to native resolution period or let's flip it the other way around when looking at an area or an edge of an object that has little to no aliasing at native resolution switching to dlss even in quality mode produces more aliasing. you don't even have to move out of the same damn spot you're in to see that just change those settings and keep looking at the same image and anyone with halfway normal vision can see the damn aliasing . So I don't give a rat's behind if all you want to do is believe in him I'm telling you exactly what I saw because I noticed it very easily when starting the game and wanted to test it out because again usually dlss cleans up the aliasing where it actually does the opposite in this game.

I promise you that very very very few people care about any of this. It's gotten so far off topic in this thread and I think you have gotten stuck on a pointless thing and refuse to let it go.

 

[Ricky T]

I promise you that very very very few people care about any of this. It's gotten so far off topic in this thread and I think you have gotten stuck on a pointless thing and refuse to let it go.

Oh so people don't care about aliasing anymore? All the hell I'm doing is pointing out that the aliasing is worse with dlss on and that is an actual fact and that was not the case in the last games that used dlss 2.0. It's nothing more and nothing less and some of you refusing to accept that it's there doesn't change that fact. But again if I had a YouTube channel and was well known then I guess it would carry more weight because clearly my goddamn eyes must be lying to me.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh so people don't care about aliasing anymore? All the hell I'm doing is pointing out that the aliasing is worse with DLS on and that is an actual fact and that was not like that in the last games that use dlss 2.0. it's nothing more and nothing less and some of you idiots that refuse to accept that it's there doesn't change that fact period but again if I had a YouTube channel and was well known then I guess it would carry more weight because clearly my goddamn eyes must be lying to me.

why are you so emotional about this?

 

[repoman0]

Oh so people don't care about aliasing anymore? All the hell I'm doing is pointing out that the aliasing is worse with DLS on and that is an actual fact and that was not like that in the last games that use dlss 2.0. it's nothing more and nothing less and some of you idiots that refuse to accept that it's there doesn't change that fact period but again if I had a YouTube channel and was well known then I guess it would carry more weight because clearly my goddamn eyes must be lying to me.

Nobody cares dude.

 

[repoman0]

...didn't know there were more than one cyberpsychos, heh. Ran into one and it pasted me all over the alleyway. Then I just equipped a hammer that I had aquired (the complete opposite of what I have been tricking out--Body is still at 3 for me, lol), and hammered him to death. Amazing how weak he was to up-close bludgeoning and staggering, vs handgun and stabby where I could barely touch him, much less damage him

I’ve had two difficult ones and one pretty easy one. Must be something in the strengths / weaknesses system that neither of us has figured out yet re: the hammer thing. There’s a bunch of stats/ other stuff displayed when you scan but I haven’t made sense of it yet.

 

[Ricky T]

why are you so emotional about this?

Well clearly I thought it was obvious as people were replying to me referring to a YouTuber that says dlss is great. I'm pointing out a simple issue with it in this game that didn't appear in other games using dlss 2.0 and all I'm getting is some clowns arguing with me. It's not my fault they are too blind or too lazy to go look at it themselves because it's right there for anybody to see. But again I'll make a little video when I get home and see what kind of asinine replies I get then as I'm sure the people refusing to accept it now will still refuse to accept it then. But maybe when their favorite YouTuber makes a comment about it then it will be the truth.

 

[Ricky T]

Nobody cares dude.

Well then nobody gives a redacted about what you say either. See how that works? Yeah how dare I point out something that could possibly be fixed when we can just trust our YouTube buddies that say it looks just fine to them...

Profanity is not allowed in the tech forums.

AT Mod Usandthem

 

[repoman0]

Well then nobody gives a redacted about what you say either. See how that works?

That’s fine with me, I can promise you if it was true I wouldn’t blow up like a teenager about it. Last post of yours I respond to or make the mistake of reading. I also promise you I’ll be too busy enjoying the game later to care about aliasing or watching your video.

 

[Ricky T]

That’s fine with me, I can promise you if it was true I wouldn’t blow up like a teenager about it. Last post of yours I respond to or make the mistake of reading. I also promise you I’ll be too busy enjoying the game later to care about aliasing or watching your video.

Well of course I knew you wouldn't care just like nobody replying to me is going to care to watch the video proving what I say is correct. That's not the way clowns like you act on a forum as you only want to believe what you want to believe in and not see any different even when it's shown right in front of your face. But I'll post it anyway just so I do my due diligence to prove exactly what I'm talking about instead of just relying on some YouTuber to tell me everything looks fine. Unlike you fools I actually have a pair of decent eyes and aliasing bothers me quite a bit. And last time I looked aliasing was a pretty huge talking point in video games as everything is done to clear it up as much as possible.

Take it down several notches. Personal attacks are not allowed.

AT Mod Usandthem

 

[DigDog]

I'm slow, and I died. A lot. I think people are going through it much faster.

i dunno, i see dying as a plus. Games that just let me casually sail by irritate me, i pay to have a challenge, not an "experience".

 

[zinfamous]

Well then nobody gives a redacted about what you say either. See how that works? Yeah how dare I point out something that could possibly be fixed when we can just trust our YouTube buddies that say it looks just fine to them...

no, it doesn't work that way. It never works that way.

 

[zinfamous]

I’ve had two difficult ones and one pretty easy one. Must be something in the strengths / weaknesses system that neither of us has figured out yet re: the hammer thing. There’s a bunch of stats/ other stuff displayed when you scan but I haven’t made sense of it yet.

I still have consistent problems with the middle mouse button not working ~90% of the time for the things it's supposed to work for (including unequipping gear--I had a damn sock stuck on my head for way too long because I equipped it just to look at at, but as there is no "drag and move", or "hide" skins option or any of that, I'm stuck with replacing another item that I don't want, assuming I have one, or just living with the sock on my head (it was a balaclava, if that is confusing, lol)).

So I've been hindered at getting familiar with these systems because some of the basic things just aren't working.

 

[zinfamous]

i dunno, i see dying as a plus. Games that just let me casually sail by irritate me, i pay to have a challenge, not an "experience".

Oh I agree. I don't really want to run through things either, such that it is all really a blur.

I default to hard setting usually. I would do the hardest settings more often, but I don't want to hate games. I like to get a feel of the actual difficulty before bumping it up.

I recall moving Witcher 3 to Hard pretty early on, and then eventually it just has to be on Death March because otherwise the entire game is pointless.

 

[repoman0]

I still have consistent problems with the middle mouse button not working ~90% of the time for the things it's supposed to work for (including unequipping gear--I had a damn sock stuck on my head for way too long because I equipped it just to look at at, but as there is no "drag and move", or "hide" skins option or any of that, I'm stuck with replacing another item that I don't want, assuming I have one, or just living with the sock on my head (it was a balaclava, if that is confusing, lol)).

So I've been hindered at getting familiar with these systems because some of the basic things just aren't working.

I think you can just drag equipped items back into your inventory? Pretty sure that’s what I did to get rid of an ugly baseball hat, because the middle mouse button was news to me.

I recall moving Watcher 3 to Hard pretty early on, and then eventually it just has to be on Death March because otherwise the entire game is pointless.

Truth

 

[zinfamous]

I think you can just drag equipped items back into your inventory? Pretty sure that’s what I did to get rid of an ugly baseball hat, because the middle mouse button was news to me.

Well maybe that's another thing that doesn't work for me, because it definitely doesn't, lol.