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SteveGrabowski

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Its not like CDPR doesn't have a history of over promising on visuals and having to dial it way back. W3 had the same thing in early trailers. They just way over promised consoles. Show off stuff that will barely run on bleeding edge PC hardware and then ship the 'potato' version that will barely run at that. They really should have just released on PC this year and put it out on console in 6months or next Christmas. Heck they would be able to push ps5 and xbsx versions by then that don't suck. PC users are much more understanding of bleeding edge titles and beta software.

I can't say I'm understanding at all when they listed i7-4790 + GTX 1060 as the recommended hardware for 1080p high and that kind of setup would actually struggle to run at 30 fps from benchmarks I have seen. Struggling to run at 30 fps is what I would expect from hitting minimum requirements and not a recommended setup. Game doesn't look nearly good enough to have constant drops into the 30s and 40s on 4C/8T Haswell when the RDR2 can run at 60 fps with some settings tweaks on that kind of cpu. This isn't that impressive graphically in the way Crysis was in 2007 so I'm not understanding at all. CDPR ruined their good name with this unfinished crap.
 

sze5003

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I can't say I'm understanding at all when they listed i7-4790 + GTX 1060 as the recommended hardware for 1080p high and that kind of setup would actually struggle to run at 30 fps from benchmarks I have seen. Struggling to run at 30 fps is what I would expect from hitting minimum requirements and not a recommended setup. Game doesn't look nearly good enough to have constant drops into the 30s and 40s on 4C/8T Haswell when the RDR2 can run at 60 fps with some settings tweaks on that kind of cpu. This isn't that impressive graphically in the way Crysis was in 2007 so I'm not understanding at all. CDPR ruined their good name with this unfinished crap.
Yup totally agree. Even a 1080ti struggles to hit 30fps on their ultra recommend 1440 setting. I had to make several changes to settings before getting playable frames and one also included changing the memory config file in the game folder that sets your gpu and cpu memory for the game to use. They will fix it eventually but for now I'm seeing more stable fps compared to before.
 

jpiniero

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I had to make several changes to settings before getting playable frames and one also included changing the memory config file in the game folder that sets your gpu and cpu memory for the game to use. They will fix it eventually but for now I'm seeing more stable fps compared to before.

You'd have to define playable. GameGPU's benchmarks say that a 1080 Ti should be getting slightly above 30 fps at 1440p Ultra, at least in the scene tested. TPU seems to agree. What's your CPU?
 

sze5003

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You'd have to define playable. GameGPU's benchmarks say that a 1080 Ti should be getting slightly above 30 fps at 1440p Ultra, at least in the scene tested. TPU seems to agree. What's your CPU?
I7 8700k and I'm at 3440x1440 so at ultra I was barely squeezing 30-33 with drops in the mid twenties.

With the digital foundry optimized settings and the memory pool fix I'm getting stable 40-50 fps and 60 at times too in doors. But the fps now is more stable.
 

jpiniero

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Apparently it passed Sony's certification but that was only probably for monetary reasons seeing how sony has pulled the game now from their store.

No, it failed. But CDPR convinced Sony (and MS) that they would have it patched to pass cert with the Day 1 patch. CDPR admitted this to shareholders.

I7 8700k and I'm at 3440x1440 so at ultra I was barely squeezing 30-33 with drops in the mid twenties.

The extra res from being ultrawide is the culprit.
 

zinfamous

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I can't say I'm understanding at all when they listed i7-4790 + GTX 1060 as the recommended hardware for 1080p high and that kind of setup would actually struggle to run at 30 fps from benchmarks I have seen. Struggling to run at 30 fps is what I would expect from hitting minimum requirements and not a recommended setup. Game doesn't look nearly good enough to have constant drops into the 30s and 40s on 4C/8T Haswell when the RDR2 can run at 60 fps with some settings tweaks on that kind of cpu. This isn't that impressive graphically in the way Crysis was in 2007 so I'm not understanding at all. CDPR ruined their good name with this unfinished crap.

sooo, those were the first released recommendations, right? almost a year ago? I recall seeing that and well, everyone, being astonished by the low hardware recs. But that has since been updated, right?

The stuff they released about a month ago pretty much stomps those early suggestions.

Anyway, this does speak to some seriously poor planning/understanding/communication between all groups involved of what they were all doing, and for what targeted purpose (basically, what were they planning to release, and in what world of hardware and expectations by that planned time).

Ray Tracing wasn't even on a road map,. for anyone publicly, when this game as announced, and at least halfway through it's development, right? AMD was dead, Zen was an unknown idea some years away, who knew what consoles would be...so much was out there at that time, and for those early engine years.

so much changed. About 3 years ago, when ray tracing became a serious thing to think about, whatever it was, what did that new contract look like with nVidia and how did that impact the resource allocation to the project? (I'm not suggesting anything nefarious, just curious about what had to have been flexible strategies in hardware and content inclusion throughout)
 

SteveGrabowski

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sooo, those were the first released recommendations, right? almost a year ago? I recall seeing that and well, everyone, being astonished by the low hardware recs. But that has since been updated, right?

Nah, they're the recommendations now. Straight from the horse's mouth:


Created 3 months ago  Updated 11 hours ago

Please note that the game is both graphics- and processor-intensive, so make sure these components meet or exceed the minimum requirements. Also note that the minimum is created with Low settings and 1080p gaming in mind and Recommended with High and 1080p. Mind that latest DirectX 12 is required.



Update your graphics drivers regularly to get the best out of your hardware (grab them here: NVIDIA, AMD).

20/11/2020 - The recommended settings were changed and now include NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super and AMD Radeon RX 590. It’s possible for your boxed copy to have the outdated recommended settings printed on it.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Recommendations from Steam page right now:

  • RECOMMENDED:
    • Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
    • OS: Windows 10
    • Processor: Intel Core i7-4790 or AMD Ryzen 3 3200G
    • Memory: 12 GB RAM
    • Graphics: GTX 1060 6GB / GTX 1660 Super or Radeon RX 590
    • DirectX: Version 12
    • Storage: 70 GB available space
    • Additional Notes: SSD recommended

 

zinfamous

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ah OK, great. I think the first release of that chart, the only one known about a year ago, was that it was just the first two systems, and resolution wasn't mentioned for what those tiers meant.

It makes a HUGE difference, lol.

The two specs were "minimum" and "recommended," the assumption being that, whoa, we're supposed to get something near 4k on a 1060 whu? (it might have been more 2080/5700XT as the top tier, though)...I think a lot of PC folks certainly assume early "recommended/high" settings would mean 4k today, right? ...which is why the performance is just way more shocking, even with the recently updated chart (still, basically, wrong...unless the game just has issues right now).


Recommendations from Steam page:

  • RECOMMENDED:
    • Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
    • OS: Windows 10
    • Processor: Intel Core i7-4790 or AMD Ryzen 3 3200G
    • Memory: 12 GB RAM
    • Graphics: GTX 1060 6GB / GTX 1660 Super or Radeon RX 590
    • DirectX: Version 12
    • Storage: 70 GB available space
    • Additional Notes: SSD recommended


lol, yup! I think that is a copy of the first official hardware info released--is that still how steam lists it? hahahaha.

holy crap it is true...that is so, so, so, so, so wrong. That has been unofficial for well over a month now. Steam...wtf?

lol, I am going to be a hilariously insignificant statistic in the "Refund" data for this game. ....earlier in the thread, I posted how I bought the day before release (tuesday?), had the confusion with what GoG was, so then refunded my steam purchase later that night (did the pre-load, already...just deleted it), the turned around and purchased on GoG.

There will be, maybe, an argument to DISBELIEVE the REFUND! because there are people like me (net 0 count), but that's probably less than a countable percentage of the counted refunders, and further so at my "ethical" reasoning for doing it, lol.
 
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I can't say I'm understanding at all when they listed i7-4790 + GTX 1060 as the recommended hardware for 1080p high and that kind of setup would actually struggle to run at 30 fps from benchmarks I have seen. Struggling to run at 30 fps is what I would expect from hitting minimum requirements and not a recommended setup. Game doesn't look nearly good enough to have constant drops into the 30s and 40s on 4C/8T Haswell when the RDR2 can run at 60 fps with some settings tweaks on that kind of cpu. This isn't that impressive graphically in the way Crysis was in 2007 so I'm not understanding at all. CDPR ruined their good name with this unfinished crap.
Those requirements were just to get you to the game lobby. LOL
 
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SteveGrabowski

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ah OK, great. I think the first release of that chart, the only one known about a year ago, was that it was just the first two systems, and resolution wasn't mentioned for what those tiers meant.

It makes a HUGE difference, lol.

The two specs were "minimum" and "recommended," the assumption being that, whoa, we're supposed to get something near 4k on a 1060 whu? (it might have been more 2080/5700XT as the top tier, though)...I think a lot of PC folks certainly assume early "recommended/high" settings would mean 4k today, right? ...which is why the performance is just way more shocking, even with the recently updated chart (still, basically, wrong...unless the game just has issues right now).




lol, yup! I think that is a copy of the first official hardware info released--is that still how steam lists it? hahahaha.

I don't know where you're getting this 4k talk from. I don't know anyone who would think 4k is the recommended spec. And their recommended spec isn't even any good for 1080p. They lied through their teeth and are still lying since i7-4790 + GTX 1060 6GB is still the official recommended spec. Wouldn't have been hard to change at any point, instead they officially doubled down on it November 20, 2020 knowing it was BS. CD Projekt Red has shown themselves to be about as trustworthy as EA.
 

jpiniero

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I don't know where you're getting this 4k talk from. I don't know anyone who would think 4k is the recommended spec. And their recommended spec isn't even any good for 1080p. They lied through their teeth and are still lying since i7-4790 + GTX 1060 6GB is still the official recommended spec. Wouldn't have been hard to change at any point, instead they officially doubled down on it November 20, 2020 knowing it was BS.

That part seems passable. From the benchmarks you should get ~30 fps with a 4790 and 1060 6 GB. Not much more than 30 though.
 

SteveGrabowski

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sze5003

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Patch 1.05 to be out for pc soon. Lots of fixes for missions and some performance fixes for amd/ryzen.

Currently it's out for consoles now.

 

jpiniero

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Gamegpu.ru's benchmark shows it dropping into the 20s on a 1060 6GB in this area, though averaging 31 fps at high. That seems pretty poor for recommended specs.

I think we are just arguing over semantics over what they mean on the chart. It's more about what the bare mininum to run 1080p high, which is what they recommend.
 

zinfamous

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I don't know where you're getting this 4k talk from. I don't know anyone who would think 4k is the recommended spec. And their recommended spec isn't even any good for 1080p. They lied through their teeth and are still lying since i7-4790 + GTX 1060 6GB is still the official recommended spec. Wouldn't have been hard to change at any point, instead they officially doubled down on it November 20, 2020 knowing it was BS. CD Projekt Red has shown themselves to be about as trustworthy as EA.

The steam listing you posted is actually all that was released about a year ago.

long before the updated recent listings that you also posted. I'm talking from the original first posted specs, a year ago, and what the gaming community thought that meant, at that time, with the knowledge of the world as it existed, at that time.

what do you think they assumed it meant, based on that information? all it said was "minimum" (which has only ever meant potato that passes the bare requirements to get the software to load) and "Reference" so...how we want you to play this game.

Now, it's one thing for those cards to be mentioned when they were actually the serious mid-tier, spendy standard cards of their time...two years before that announcement. ...but to be a 2 year-old, mid tier grandpa, recommended as the REFERENCE card for what should be "the visual masterpiece" of all games until that time, ~4 months to 1 year from now, you had to wonder....how efficient is this game? lol

And I don't mean reference in terms of studio perfection standards, but their design strategy to make this game visually perform to their consistent standards, on what should be standard hardware for "high end."

So, another way to think about it...another comparable AAA title, a year from release at the time of their first hardware announcement, (so direct comparison), would most likely have recommended a 2060 or 2080, really, or 5700XT. (already 1 year+-old cards, with another 1 year before release).

It was, from any reasonable comparable standard (think about how home values are largely set based on their recently-sold neighbors), those recommended specs, at that time, were already SUPER low, for what expectations reasonably would put those two data points at. Does that make sense? (so, if they are saying that a 1060 is reference, then surely my also-3 year-old 1080Ti can handle 4k, NO PROBLEM! with whatever this game puts out) see what I mean?
 

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Patch 1.05 to be out for pc soon. Lots of fixes for missions and some performance fixes for amd/ryzen.

Currently it's out for consoles now.


Wow, seriously!? Look at the quest fixes! And they released game in such unfinished state and those fixes are probably only a fraction of issues

Edit: wait that is only for consoles lol
 
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sze5003

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I think they promised a patch after the previous one, 7 days before the holidays. Then more patches after the holidays until February or so. I think now that the game is being refunded they've had no choice but to crank out fixes.
 

sze5003

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Wow, seriously!? Look at the quest fixes! And they released game in such unfinished state and those fixes are probably only a fraction of issues

Edit: wait that is only for consoles lol
It will be out for pc soon. I think they want to do whatever they can to fix consoles first.
 

zinfamous

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Man, some moments that do make it worth it:

Near end of "River" questline. streetkid playthrough, at least, but I assume he's a universal character?
closes on a pretty spot-on AR play game with his nephew and niece, let the kids when in their VR shoot-em up fantasy world, as they play as Joan McLane and Henry Callahan....personalities, dialogue, ....and type-played child voices to go along with it. ...it's a brilliant moment, worth your time, and the chuckles and levity. how to end questilnes (or mark a nice transition in story progression)

Near end/end of "Fortunate Son/Panam" quest line...which is very long, so, don't spoil yourself:
So, Panam is now the leader of everything. Yes, it was a spoiler, you were warned, but maybe that isn't a big deal. ANYWAY. dude in camp needs a kidney as a side mission now. so like, yeah, I'll help you desert rebels out with a kidney-thieving heist, even though my time is very precious. LET'S DO THIS! so I go to meet contact for easy pickup. Ambush...figures. contact was nervous surgeon, a CI planted by NCPD...so corrupt NCPD (yes, they are actually corrupt even though...they are breaking up my black market kidney deal with is actually, well, normal here). Anyway, it's a legit ambush and you have no choice here, and I guess the game is like "yep, they are coruopt so murdering these cops costs nothing, right now, at this moment. SO. you kill the cops. as you do. confront bastard surgeon for setting you up. ...and then the choice: obvious. Guy gives a legit reason for having set you up--cops basically held his family hostage. DAMN IT! I have the kidney anyway, I'm alive, fuck the NCPD, so let him go. OK, whatever. choice doesn't matter....you walk away. a few seconds later, he pings you over again. "ah bro, I am sorry, but that kidney is spiked with a "cyber virus." Take this shard for the recipient, install it so that kidney doesn't melt their body cavity...so like, that choice legit mattered, because this was a kidney tied back to a homey from hours of about 6 quests, that you didn't have to save now, but choosing to do so matters...and then if you further choose in one direction of whether or not to take vengeance...well now that guy either dies or lives, and you wouldn't have known otherwise. It's easy to cut the surgeon's head off after that ambush, and there's no thinking from other games that, deciding not to, would actually matter at that point in such a throw-off post-story sidequest.
....so, if that makes sense, that's a really great example of a little thing...which might be a big thing...about how this game treats story archs, honestly, in a very unique and compelling way. and one that makes it worth considering the other paths, just for funs.

Just saying.
 

SteveGrabowski

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The steam listing you posted is actually all that was released about a year ago.

long before the updated recent listings that you also posted. I'm talking from the original first posted specs, a year ago, and what the gaming community thought that meant, at that time, with the knowledge of the world as it existed, at that time.

what do you think they assumed it meant, based on that information? all it said was "minimum" (which has only ever meant potato that passes the bare requirements to get the software to load) and "Reference" so...how we want you to play this game.

Now, it's one thing for those cards to be mentioned when they were actually the serious mid-tier, spendy standard cards of their time...two years before that announcement. ...but to be a 2 year-old, mid tier grandpa, recommended as the REFERENCE card for what should be "the visual masterpiece" of all games until that time, ~4 months to 1 year from now, you had to wonder....how efficient is this game? lol

And I don't mean reference in terms of studio perfection standards, but their design strategy to make this game visually perform to their consistent standards, on what should be standard hardware for "high end."

So, another way to think about it...another comparable AAA title, a year from release at the time of their first hardware announcement, (so direct comparison), would most likely have recommended a 2060 or 2080, really, or 5700XT. (already 1 year+-old cards, with another 1 year before release).

It was, from any reasonable comparable standard (think about how home values are largely set based on their recently-sold neighbors), those recommended specs, at that time, were already SUPER low, for what expectations reasonably would put those two data points at. Does that make sense? (so, if they are saying that a 1060 is reference, then surely my also-3 year-old 1080Ti can handle 4k, NO PROBLEM! with whatever this game puts out) see what I mean?

Who cares if they posted it a year ago? It's the current official posting for what hardware you should have for the recommended experience. If they say a given hardware configuration is the recommended spec it's not unreasonable to think 1080p30 shouldn't be a struggle on it. Haha at visual masterpiece, come on, this game is in no way comparable to what Crysis was in 2007. And please don't say CDPR and consistent standards in the same sentence. They put out a turd that can really only be polished by brute force. They misled PC gamers, not nearly as badly as they did console gamers, but they still misled us. Can't believe they have 4C/8T Haswell and Skylake as the recommended cpu for all performance levels even though 4C/8T chips choke on this game.
 
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