Cyberpunk 2077

[gorcorps]

I finished the game and tried all the endings. Despite all its flaws, I still really liked it. I prefer ambitious but flawed games like this over games that are polished but generic.

I'm close to finishing it (I'm at the point of no return whenever I want to start it) and overall I've enjoyed it. I didn't like it at first but after pushing through the first mission and getting into the meat of the game, I liked it a lot better.

It's definitely flawed, and I really wish they didn't hype it so much that they were forced to rush it out in this state. I still really liked the setting, and most of the side missions.

 

[Dannar26]

I had heard some pretty negative things about this game, and I'm not talking about bugs. I'm usually pretty forgiving of things like that, as they tend to get sorted out at some point.

I'm more worried about the bad AI. I hear that even if this game didn't have its glaring bugs, it would still only be a mediocre GTA clone with a futuristic skin. From some of the things I've heard, it sounds like the police AI is even worse than GTA's.

I never followed the development of this game, but I understand it was supposed to offer something new, right? Or is it just a "breathtaking" GTA reskin?

 

[zinfamous]

I had heard some pretty negative things about this game, and I'm not talking about bugs. I'm usually pretty forgiving of things like that, as they tend to get sorted out at some point.

I'm more worried about the bad AI. I hear that even if this game didn't have its glaring bugs, it would still only be a mediocre GTA clone with a futuristic skin. From some of the things I've heard, it sounds like the police AI is even worse than GTA's.

I never followed the development of this game, but I understand it was supposed to offer something new, right? Or is it just a "breathtaking" GTA reskin?

What I would say is that if you intent to play it more like GTA--run around aimlessly and do all sorts of crazy things with the open world and have fun, then it's a terrible version of GTA because, yes, the AI is garbage from a behavior standpoint, and a simple saturation of all the background peds and police and gang members. There's just way too much crap running around, and all of it behaving poorly. I do think that if they just took a knife to the game population, a lot of that mess would clear up, but would leave an emptier environment.

But, this game isn't really for that. It's cinematic and meant to follow the storyline from mission to mission, and even the side missions are spectacular, including the majority of the typical, spammy, "activity missions" that you see in a lot of games like this. That's what this game excels at, probably better than any comparable open-world, sandboxy game. Think, more Mafia and less GTA (but with much more stuff to do than Mafia). This is probably the best-produced, best-written game I have ever played from a story, character, cinematic perspective, and well, that's a good thing. The action and combat is "good enough," but it also isn't anything new in the end. The weapons and gear don't really offer the fun customization and build strategies you'd hope for. The skill trees look pretty neat, but in the end, they don't feel very impactful because it takes a really long time to get those systems feeling like they are working (very incremental stats from skill point to skill point) and by that time, the game just gets too easy anyway....because some powers are just too strong and the AI is, well, stupid.

The extended side missions, the ones that aren't tied to any of the main storyline or characters (a lot of the main plot characters also have their own side missions, for the most part), are quite good and it's very easy to miss them if you don't spend the time exploring aimlessly (which is where a lot of the problem lies--a lot of people probably won't take the time to explore like that, because of the AI and other issues).

I put maybe 100 hours into it and I love it, but haven't played in months. I'm waiting until some actual DLC is released...but you know, I'm now wondering if that will ever happen. They are way way way behind all of their schedules, even the more recent, post-release optimistic ones (I think the first free DLC content was supposed to be out by the end of February? lol). A lot is going on at CDPR and with this dev team, and it makes me wonder if it is ever going to get that kind of amazing content and polish like we got with Witcher 3 (granted, that game also has a lot of hilarious buggy issues to this day, but the expected stuff. There is nothing comparable regarding the AI and environment systems between the two games).

It's a shame--CP2077 is kinda the best and the worst game of 2020. (I'm sure there are absolute garbage trash games that are fundamentally worse, but you have to consider budget and hype and expectations here....which, I don't think are as bad as the worst of the reviews, but there are glaring problems beneath some of the mechanics of the game that you will either tolerate or not, depending on how you choose to play it)

 

[sze5003]

Im still waiting for the fairy tale chance that I can get a new gpu to actually smoothly enjoy this game with the proper graphics cranked up. I've stopped playing after the first patch.

 

[zinfamous]

Im still waiting for the fairy tale chance that I can get a new gpu to actually smoothly enjoy this game with the proper graphics cranked up. I've stopped playing after the first patch.

...and that's the other thing that is not helping this game, and at least, something that CDPR never could control. Just about everyone wanted to upgrade for this game, but that has been mostly impossible since, well, before initial release. The performance was also so terrible at the beginning that it simply turned so many people away, and I'm sure they've forgotten by now.

I think a lot of these issues have been fixed, for PC anyway, but it doesn't change the fact that this game would still be much better on current gen hardware.

I was satisfied with my "piece of garbage" Vega64 @ 34440 x 1440, but that's probably because I turned on one of those AMD "smoothing things" (I forget what it's called), that interpolates frame rate--not vsync or adaptive sync...the other thing. at high-ultra settings, I was getting "40-45" FPS. Many master race posters around here would scoff at that, but at that resolution and those settings, I'm not really bothered. Film Grain setting also helps....and while that's not something that I like in most games, I think it's gorgeous in this one.

I think turning off film grain here is the wrong way to experience this game.

 

[CP5670]

I did a full upgrade a few months before playing it, altohugh not specifically for this game. I hate film grain, motion blur and chromatic aberration though, and immediately turn those off in any game.

But, this game isn't really for that. It's cinematic and meant to follow the storyline from mission to mission, and even the side missions are spectacular, including the majority of the typical, spammy, "activity missions" that you see in a lot of games like this. That's what this game excels at, probably better than any comparable open-world, sandboxy game. Think, more Mafia and less GTA (but with much more stuff to do than Mafia). This is probably the best-produced, best-written game I have ever played from a story, character, cinematic perspective, and well, that's a good thing. The action and combat is "good enough," but it also isn't anything new in the end. The weapons and gear don't really offer the fun customization and build strategies you'd hope for. The skill trees look pretty neat, but in the end, they don't feel very impactful because it takes a really long time to get those systems feeling like they are working (very incremental stats from skill point to skill point) and by that time, the game just gets too easy anyway....because some powers are just too strong and the AI is, well, stupid.

The extended side missions, the ones that aren't tied to any of the main storyline or characters (a lot of the main plot characters also have their own side missions, for the most part), are quite good and it's very easy to miss them if you don't spend the time exploring aimlessly (which is where a lot of the problem lies--a lot of people probably won't take the time to explore like that, because of the AI and other issues).

Yes, some of the side missions are excellent. Some quest lines only advance if you wait long enough and get a phone call, and it's often not obvious if you completed a quest line or there is more to come. It's easy to miss parts of them and it's worth just letting a day pass every now and then to make that happen. I was doing that frequently anyway just to have the game at night, which looks far nicer than daytime IMO.

I spent about 100 hours too over 2-3 months, and did all the major side quests and a lot of exploring but not all the collection/car quests. I ended up using 3 or 4 weapons for most of the game (Widow Maker, Burya and O'Five), and just upgrading them every now and then. There are a huge number of weapons but most are pretty useless, and there isn't much scope for customization, less than the Deus Ex games.

 

[zinfamous]

I did a full upgrade a few months before playing it, altohugh not specifically for this game. I hate film grain, motion blur and chromatic aberration though, and immediately turn those off in any game.



Yes, some of the side missions are excellent. Some quest lines only advance if you wait long enough and get a phone call, and it's often not obvious if you completed a quest line or there is more to come. It's easy to miss parts of them and it's worth just letting a day pass every now and then to make that happen. I was doing that frequently anyway just to have the game at night, which looks far nicer than daytime IMO.

I spent about 100 hours too over 2-3 months, and did all the major side quests and a lot of exploring but not all the collection/car quests. I ended up using 3 or 4 weapons for most of the game (Widow Maker, Burya and O'Five), and just upgrading them every now and then. There are a huge number of weapons but most are pretty useless, and there isn't much scope for customization, less than the Deus Ex games.

Yeah, I forget the gun I ended up with for most of the late game, but it was a handgun....an orange special one that was a bit stronger than Johnnie's, but I used a Burya for most of it, and specced mainly into handguns and that crit skill tree. On highest difficulty, the game becomes extremely easy with headshot damage, and the later game hacking stuff pretty much allows you to shut down half of the mobs and even any cyberpsycho that you encounter (though, I read that one patch made cyberpsycho's invulnerable to a lot of those shutdown skills, so that's probably a good thing).

 

[rivethead]

I never followed the development of this game, but I understand it was supposed to offer something new, right?

It was supposed to offer some of the most advanced AI programming ever seen in a video game.

I think that tech got cut to push out a faster release (not a statement of fact, this is my opinion based on what I've seen and read).

 

[sze5003]

Just recently trying to play this now that I have a new gpu. Gosh do I suck. I only did one main story mission but seems I can't do any side missions at all. I'm only level 3 and everywhere I go I just get murdered immediately.

It's almost impossible to play stealth at all at the beginning it seems. Not a fan of the bullet sponge enemies or weapons so far anyway.

It's been so long that I'm thinking I'm better off starting over but I don't know if that will help at all.

 

[cytg111]

Just recently trying to play this now that I have a new gpu. Gosh do I suck. I only did one main story mission but seems I can't do any side missions at all. I'm only level 3 and everywhere I go I just get murdered immediately.

It's almost impossible to play stealth at all at the beginning it seems. Not a fan of the bullet sponge enemies or weapons so far anyway.

It's been so long that I'm thinking I'm better off starting over but I don't know if that will help at all.

dont do too many side missions from the get-go, let the storyline take you in, it will level you to where you need to be for the “free roaming part” … at some point the game will put a timer on you “get this done asap or else” dont fall for it, you have all the time you want for sidejobbing

 

[shortylickens]

any of you finish the game with a dick-girl?

 

[sze5003]

dont do too many side missions from the get-go, let the storyline take you in, it will level you to where you need to be for the “free roaming part” … at some point the game will put a timer on you “get this done asap or else” dont fall for it, you have all the time you want for sidejobbing

I must be at that point I suppose. Im short 1k credits of paying victor back so I wanted to do that before continuing the story. I'm so used to doing the side stuff in open world type games that I figured why not.

At least in Witcher you could chose what side stuff to do based on level whereas here it's just a moderate, high or very high danger label.

 

[Igo69]

Is this playable, did they fix anything in the game?

 

[sze5003]

Is this playable, did they fix anything in the game?

It was always playable if you had a really good system. It was just very buggy when it first came out. I haven't run into any bugs on 1.23 patch on PC.

 

[HeXen]

Is this playable, did they fix anything in the game?

Playable yes. A good game..no. Not IMO anyway. The physics, A.i and driving are horrid. GTA 4 had better physics and NPC behaviors. I went back to playing RDR 2.

 

[zinfamous]

Playable yes. A good game..no. Not IMO anyway. The physics, A.i and driving are horrid. GTA 4 had better physics and NPC behaviors. I went back to playing RDR 2.

...while that's all true about the physics, AI and driving, and other things....I still think it's a way better game than GTA 4 (and even 5). They are very different types of games, for sure, and while it's nice for things to work really well and all that, Cyberpunk is a game you want to be in. I never felt that with other games so much, much less any GTA.

 

[cytg111]

Yes. The GTA part of CP2077 is not as good as GTA.
I got half way through GTA V and lost interest. Boring s* IMO.

CP2077 I am currently in my second play through, where I get to ALL the corners.

Its sad it was launched in the condition it was, and its still not 100% done.
If it had launched right it would have been a GOAT easily. Now its gonna be remembered for how it launched.

You have to remember, CP2077 is not openworldish like GTA or RDR, you have "side jobs" and a main narrative where you play the hero, with Keanu Reeves as a side kick, for a 60 hour triple A blockbuster movie.

If you go into the game with that attitude.. man, This takes the crown from the first ME and DA.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes. The GTA part of CP2077 is not as good as GTA.
I got half way through GTA V and lost interest. Boring s* IMO.

CP2077 I am currently in my second play through, where I get to ALL the corners.

Its sad it was launched in the condition it was, and its still not 100% done.
If it had launched right it would have been a GOAT easily. Now its gonna be remembered for how it launched.

You have to remember, CP2077 is not openworldish like GTA or RDR, you have "side jobs" and a main narrative where you play the hero, with Keanu Reeves as a side kick, for a 60 hour triple A blockbuster movie.

If you go into the game with that attitude.. man, This takes the crown from the first ME and DA.

yeah, it's a game that's made on movie time--to pull you through a straight narrative with some free time on the side. The Open World really is just the backdrop and sadly not made to be experienced as it could be; though it still serves purpose as a decent backdrop if you are just running pace through the game, if that makes any sense. Disappointing, but also kinda unnecessary in some ways. ...eh, the NPC AI and pathing should definitely be better, but it is what it is.

 

[Igo69]

Guess i have to wait much longer and at $20 or less

 

[CP5670]

It's better to be stealthy early on since the early weapons you get suck, but you keep getting better ones constantly and later on it's better to play as a straight FPS.

This game is really more of a lengthy FPS/RPG like Fallout or Deus Ex, with not even many RPG elements. The driving is a fun minigame but not what the game is really about, unlike GTA. I think they could have removed the entire driving portion and it wouldn't take away much from the game.

 

[DigDog]

you guys STILL playing this??
This was 2 years ago. It takes a busy person maybe 1 week to finish it.

Anyway, katana melee builds are ... well, i want to say ridiculous, but so are a number of other builds. And ofc you can cheese the whole game with the 1-shot kill augment that requires no cheating to obtain, remember that ?

Me, i just use the big sniper, crafted it to max level, and headshot everything.

 

[CP5670]

I played it for like 6 weeks, a few hours every evening. I must be very busy.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Kinda want to fire it up (got it as a gift from a friend) just for the character creator, but I've also told myself that CP2077 will be the first game I play after I upgrade off my 980Ti to something substantially beefier.

I actually kinda like what I'm hearing about the game being more of a faux open world game and really being more of a series of linear stories connected by a largely hollow open world.

I just don't have time to really sink into open world games nowadays.

 

[Borealis7]

waiting for more patches before i play. maybe a EE like i did with Witcher 2 and 3, and expansions/DLC.

 

[Racan]

Patch 1.3 is live, it includes 3 small DLCs

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427938451761111054