Daily driver just "died" - update - likely buying a used tsx

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
6,211
121
106
So as some of you know my daily driver is a 2003 toyota corolla. It came up for state inspection this month and I knew the news was going to be bad because the left rear tire was nearly bald on the outer edge (whereas the other three were just fine). And by bald I mean down to the steel belt.

Took it to the shop to be inspected, and as expected it failed. Both rear struts are shot, which is what lead to the odd tire wear. Front struts were "going" too, and the front and rear brakes just barely passed and will need to be replaced in a few months. Mechanic also recommended replacing the plugs because they are "clearly" fouled (I find this plausible because the original plugs are in the car and I am seeing 3-5 MPG less than I am used to seeing with the car). AC is on the fritz too and the mechanic said the compressor was completely shot and would have to be replaced to get it going.

Anyway, the end result is that ~$2k of work would be needed to put the car in safe condition again. Being the cheap bastard I am I was tempted to ok the work, but I ultimately decided not to do it. Mainly because the vehicle has ~$170k miles on it. Toyota's run forever but at that mileage any number of things can go wrong, particularly when a car is 12-13 years old.

Anyway, I am now in the market for a new daily driver. Only problem is I cannot decide what to buy. Any suggestions? Here are the stats/requirements:

1. Must be a Sedan
2. Must get >30MPG highway (I have a long commute 3 days a week)
3. Must have a useable back seat (I have two small kids, so car seats are a consideration).
4. Budget Sub-40K. Would prefer sub-30K.
5. Must have bluetooth streaming audio (weird requirement I know, but I currently stream audiobooks from my phone to a bluetooth speaker and I would much prefer to use my car's radio).
6. Would prefer leather trim. No need for nav.

7. I can buy just about any car I want outright but financing is so cheap right now that I will probably finance at least a part of the cost. Anyway I will be trading in the corolla (hoping to get 2k for it) and I will either be trading or selling my truck (2003 F150 supercrew lariat) as well (hoping to get 9-10k for the truck, which is amazingly clean for its age). So - hoping to have 10-12k in trade and will put another 5-6k down. Finance the rest.

Below are the cars I have considered and/or driven and my thoughts on them:

Non-luxury sedans:

1. Honda Accord Sedan - EX-L or EX-L hybrid - Pros- Surprisingly comfy. Good gas mileage. Honda reliability and resale value. Cons - Seats were still a bit uncomfortable for me. Leather trim was pretty cheap looking (as it is in all honda's), but other materials were pretty nice.

2. Nissan Altima 2.5 SLE - Pros - Nice interior and technology. Good highway MPG. Meh - Feels a lot like my wife's Murano, which is both good and bad. CONS: CVT durability is a concern. I also do not particularly care for how the CVT feels when accelerating. Too much of a delay between when the gas pedal is depressed and when the car responds. Nissan resale value sucks too.

3. Hyundai Sonata Sport 2.0T - Pros - Turbocharged engine is pretty zippy. By far the nicest driving chracteristics of the non-luxury sedans I have tested. Hyundai warranty is very nice as well. Cons - Backseat seems smaller than the nissan and the accord, which is a concern as I envision my son or daughter kicking me in the back all the time. Never owned a Hyundai because, well, its a Hyundai. I know the brand has come quite a ways, but I still remember when it sucked big time,

Luxury Sedans:

1. BMW 328i (driven) - Pros - Looks nice. Great driving characteristics. "Whoa" acceleration once the turbo kicks in. Cons: Too expensive. I would have to lease the car and I drive too many miles to make it worth it. I would likely earn many speeding tickets in the car. Pretty small interior.

2. Audi A4 - Comparable to the BMW as far as driving feel goes. But too small. A6 is sized better but is too expensive.


edit
Test drove a 2013 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T (leftover) today. The sonata had a ton of pep and was a lot of fun to drive, but the interior felt cramped and too much like my old corolla. The 2015 redesign looks more interesting and I might go back to test it out, but the 2013 is a no go.

Also test drove a Mazda 6 grand touring today and I was pleasantly surprised. That car offers quite a bit for the money, though some of the features (i.e., adaptive cruise control) I would never trust enough to use. That said it had plenty of power for me, interior was very roomy and well appointed, car was spooky quiet at highway speed (again, relative to my corolla), etc. All good things. Infotainment system was a bit wonky as others have mentioned. It really seems like it was an afterthought. Especially given the high amount of care that obviously went into engineering the rest of the car. All in all I liked the car a lot.

Edit 2

Update 2 - So I spent the last few days test driving more cars. Drove a: (new) hyundai azera, (new) honda accord, (new) toyota camry, (used) lexus IS, (used) lexus ES, (new) subaru legacy, (new) Acura TLX, and (used) Acura TSX.

Strongly leaning towards a used TSX. There is 2011 listed near me with ~25k miles and the tech package for under 20 grand. Its not the best gas mileage wise but it is fun to drive and the highway mileage isn't terrible (30-34 highway). Also, being a Honda the TSX should be pretty darn reliable. Yes, I know it needs premium gas. This is my way of having a little fun while still being somewhat pragmatic.

Another benefit of buying the used TSX is that I get to keep my truck, which I was planning on selling (in addition to trading in the corolla). That also means that the TSX does not need to be a full size car, because I have the truck for days when a bigger vehicle is needed. Double plus good.
 
Last edited:

mikegg

Golden Member
Jan 30, 2010
1,833
459
136
Smart choice would be the Accord or Camry. Reliable, cheap to insure, and amazing resale values.
 

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
6,211
121
106
Smart choice would be the Accord or Camry. Reliable, cheap to insure, and amazing resale values.

Yeah of those two I would definitely go with the Accord. Camry, like most toyota products, is just "milk toast" IMO. There is nothing exciting about them at all. Not that there is much to get excited about in an Accord either.
 

Demo24

Diamond Member
Aug 5, 2004
8,356
9
81
Want a big back seat look at a Passat, I'd only go TDI though so if diesel is a concern maybe not. Rather large inside though and does drive decently.

Also second the Mazda.
 

Jimzz

Diamond Member
Oct 23, 2012
4,399
190
106
Yea look at the Kia Optima and the Buick Regal.

The Regal gets 30mpg highway and starts at 30k but offers a good mid-lux/Sports car. You can also get the eAssist at no extra cost if MPG, 36, are more important than the turbo power.
 

hans007

Lifer
Feb 1, 2000
20,212
17
81
2015 320i (i'd get it with sport pack). could probably get it for around $31-32k. 2015 model BMWs all have BT streaming audio.

$1000 rebate with a BMW ultimate drive event (they have them everywhere) and probably can get one at invoice now anyway.
 

jaedaliu

Platinum Member
Feb 25, 2005
2,670
1
81
fun fact: It's ridiculous (according to my mechanic) that I thought my struts should last 100k miles on my econobox.

The requirements seem to be mostly size of back seat and cost. Leather is part of cost, and most non-performance sedans will be able to reach 30 mpg on the highway. If I were you, I would make a weekend day of it and lug 2 child seats to the local automall and put them in and get in different cars with the wife and drive around and see how much legroom you have. (you can probably leave the kids with a babysitter for this.) I would down select to cars of appropriate back seat size, then by reliability & maintainability. It doesn't seem like resale value is high on your requirements list.

However, this is a mostly anonymous internet forum, so I suggest getting a BMW 328d with European delivery. That'll fit your stretch budget, and I'm really far away from my financial goals, so I'm trying to live vicariously through you.
 

Sho'Nuff

Diamond Member
Jul 12, 2007
6,211
121
106
Recommend test driving a Mazda 6 Grand Touring.

Took a look at the 6 on the Mazda website. Consider me surprised. It looks great and the mileage is awesome. 40MPG highway from a 185 HP car is pretty impressive.

Definitely going to test drive that one.
 

tortillasoup

Golden Member
Jan 12, 2011
1,977
3
81
That's not $2K worth of work OP. Why not shop around for price to repair the vehicle? The spark plugs are stupid easy to change on that car, you should know how to change them yourself. As for struts and tires, that's less than $1000 worth of work if you know how to shop around. I'd put my effort into getting the car repaired economically rather than buying another vehicle.
 

Hartle4

Junior Member
Mar 13, 2014
17
0
0
Where i am a safety inspector, in Missouri, you are not allowed to fail a car for a "bad strut." If that was so, i could fail damn near every car that goes through my shop, nobody seems to change them. The steel showing tire on the other hand would fail.
 

SithSolo1

Diamond Member
Mar 19, 2001
7,740
11
81
*Don't shoot me*

May be smaller than what you are looking for but take a peek at the 2015 Chrysler 200 with the 2.4L

Edit: Fully loaded 200c with FWD and the 2.4L is right around $31k
 
Last edited:

slatr

Senior member
May 28, 2001
957
2
81
Yeah of those two I would definitely go with the Accord. Camry, like most toyota products, is just "milk toast" IMO. There is nothing exciting about them at all. Not that there is much to get excited about in an Accord either.

Look at a new Camry SE with leather/suede
 
Dec 30, 2004
12,553
2
76
That's not $2K worth of work OP. Why not shop around for price to repair the vehicle? The spark plugs are stupid easy to change on that car, you should know how to change them yourself. As for struts and tires, that's less than $1000 worth of work if you know how to shop around. I'd put my effort into getting the car repaired economically rather than buying another vehicle.

+1

honestly all these are stupid easy
plugs cost $20 total and you just unscrew the old ones screw in new
get 2 spring compressors and you can replace the shocks in a few hours
tires I do craigslist and pay $30-50 a tire
 

Woosta

Platinum Member
Mar 23, 2008
2,978
0
71
Hmm... why haven't you considered Acura or Lexus?!?! They're the luxury tier of Honda/Toyota, so if a Toyota/Honda isn't enough and you want something much more reliable than a BMW/Benz, this is the way to go.

The TL if you want power which is a V6 ( ~280-300 hp, 29 hw mpg ) but all luxury, very reliable: http://www.acura.com/modellanding.aspx?model=tl starts at 36k

The TSX if you want something cheaper and less powerful but still an entry level luxury car: http://www.acura.com/modellanding.aspx?model=tsx which is 200HP , 31 mpg, starts at 30k

TLX: http://www.acura.com/modellanding.aspx?model=tlx which is the future child of TL/TSX ( both of them merged into one )

For Lexus you can get the IS250 which is 205 HP / 30 MPG highway / V6: http://www.lexus.com/models/IS

Don't get Nissan Altima please - the new ones don't even look nicer than the old Altimas. Also, the resale value absolutely sucks on Nissans - they drop soo quick and ultimately the reliability isn't as nice as Honda/Toyota.

Audi in general is the least reliable of the German cars. People even have problems with new Audis - I would stay the hell away.

So really if you're even thinking of a BMW/Audi and also pondering an Accord and want something nice but not German then please get Acura/Lexus. The highway MPG might not be as nice as a 4 cylinder Honda, but you get top tier luxury instead for the same price. It's your choice, really.

As for Kia Optima - I have a Kia Optima 2011 EX and ultimately I think Honda/Toyota are more nicely built. The interior is really nice and ultimately it's a nice car but the suspension isn't what it was ( at 40K miles ) as it was at 23k. I don't think you'd have the the same problem on a Honda/Toyota or Lexus/Acura because they're more sturdy built.

Same thing for the Sonata since they use the same body really.

Mazda 6 seems like a nice option - it's really up to you whether it has enough power for you. It's a nice interior and Mazdas handle really well - the SkyActiv engine is really nice.

In about 7-10 years though I think if you go with Acura/Lexus, they'd hold the resale value the best, and would have the least problems / be the closest out of all those cars mentioned to being "like new" if that makes sense. So it's up to you whether you want an entry level luxury car like Acura/Lexus or a totally decked out non-luxury sedan like M6/Accord/Camry etc.

Just my 5 cents. I would go with Acura TSX if I were you. Look up the reviews and resale value, etc.
 
Last edited:

Woosta

Platinum Member
Mar 23, 2008
2,978
0
71
Also just wanted to add: if you want a AWD car and don't want to spend 36k+ on an Acura/luxury car, you can get a Subaru Legacy. The 2015 design is really nice.

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/legacy/index.html

This is 26/36 MPG and has AWD - something that you can't get for the same price from Honda or Toyota if you live up north and/or have bad winters.

Another pick would be a decked out Jetta or Volkswagen CC, but I think an Acura TSX is a more solid choice than the CC. I would recommend at least test driving both to see, though.

http://www.vw.com/models/cc/
 

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
48,517
223
106
$761.77 shipped from RockAuto for an overkill replacement list (after 5% coupon and Monroe rebate).


All of that work except the AC system can be done in a driveway with minimal tools. The struts are pre-assembled with new springs, so no spring compressor is needed. The brake kits include drums (likely not necessary) and rotors (also perhaps unnecessary).

If you were in Phoenix, I'd knock it out for you for way less than $2000.

Edit: Forgot spark plugs. Add $20-40.
 

Yuriman

Diamond Member
Jun 25, 2004
5,530
141
106
$761.77 shipped from RockAuto for an overkill replacement list (after 5% coupon and Monroe rebate).


All of that work except the AC system can be done in a driveway with minimal tools. The struts are pre-assembled with new springs, so no spring compressor is needed. The brake kits include drums (likely not necessary) and rotors (also perhaps unnecessary).

If you were in Phoenix, I'd knock it out for you for way less than $2000.

Edit: Forgot spark plugs. Add $20-40.

Maybe get the new car, fix the old one up and sell it.
 

Jimzz

Diamond Member
Oct 23, 2012
4,399
190
106
Where i am a safety inspector, in Missouri, you are not allowed to fail a car for a "bad strut." If that was so, i could fail damn near every car that goes through my shop, nobody seems to change them. The steel showing tire on the other hand would fail.

You may want to take your class again and read the Missouri manual. Struts are part of the inspection. No you should not fail for a slight vapor leak but if they have a broken mount, dry, bent, etc... then yes it should fail...

http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/MVI/documents/MVIRegulationsManual.pdf

MacPherson Strut Suspension System has severely worn or missing thrust​
bearing or mounting bushings. If piston rod is bent or unit is not securely​
mounted to vehicle
 

pauldun170

Diamond Member
Sep 26, 2011
9,141
5,085
136
So as some of you know my daily driver is a 2003 toyota corolla. It came up for state inspection this month and I knew the news was going to be bad because the left rear tire was nearly bald on the outer edge (whereas the other three were just fine). And by bald I mean down to the steel belt.

Took it to the shop to be inspected, and as expected it failed. Both rear struts are shot, which is what lead to the odd tire wear. Front struts were "going" too, and the front and rear brakes just barely passed and will need to be replaced in a few months. Mechanic also recommended replacing the plugs because they are "clearly" fouled (I find this plausible because the original plugs are in the car and I am seeing 3-5 MPG less than I am used to seeing with the car). AC is on the fritz too and the mechanic said the compressor was completely shot and would have to be replaced to get it going.

Anyway, the end result is that ~$2k of work would be needed to put the car in safe condition again. Being the cheap bastard I am I was tempted to ok the work, but I ultimately decided not to do it. Mainly because the vehicle has ~$170k miles on it. Toyota's run forever but at that mileage any number of things can go wrong, particularly when a car is 12-13 years old.

Anyway, I am now in the market for a new daily driver. Only problem is I cannot decide what to buy. Any suggestions? Here are the stats/requirements:

1. Must be a Sedan
2. Must get >30MPG highway (I have a long commute 3 days a week)
3. Must have a useable back seat (I have two small kids, so car seats are a consideration).
4. Budget Sub-40K. Would prefer sub-30K.
5. Must have bluetooth streaming audio (weird requirement I know, but I currently stream audiobooks from my phone to a bluetooth speaker and I would much prefer to use my car's radio).
6. Would prefer leather trim. No need for nav.

7. I can buy just about any car I want outright but financing is so cheap right now that I will probably finance at least a part of the cost. Anyway I will be trading in the corolla (hoping to get 2k for it) and I will either be trading or selling my truck (2003 F150 supercrew lariat) as well (hoping to get 9-10k for the truck, which is amazingly clean for its age). So - hoping to have 10-12k in trade and will put another 5-6k down. Finance the rest.

Below are the cars I have considered and/or driven and my thoughts on them:

Non-luxury sedans:

1. Honda Accord Sedan - EX-L or EX-L hybrid - Pros- Surprisingly comfy. Good gas mileage. Honda reliability and resale value. Cons - Seats were still a bit uncomfortable for me. Leather trim was pretty cheap looking (as it is in all honda's), but other materials were pretty nice.

2. Nissan Altima 2.5 SLE - Pros - Nice interior and technology. Good highway MPG. Meh - Feels a lot like my wife's Murano, which is both good and bad. CONS: CVT durability is a concern. I also do not particularly care for how the CVT feels when accelerating. Too much of a delay between when the gas pedal is depressed and when the car responds. Nissan resale value sucks too.

3. Hyundai Sonata Sport 2.0T - Pros - Turbocharged engine is pretty zippy. By far the nicest driving chracteristics of the non-luxury sedans I have tested. Hyundai warranty is very nice as well. Cons - Backseat seems smaller than the nissan and the accord, which is a concern as I envision my son or daughter kicking me in the back all the time. Never owned a Hyundai because, well, its a Hyundai. I know the brand has come quite a ways, but I still remember when it sucked big time,

Luxury Sedans:

1. BMW 328i (driven) - Pros - Looks nice. Great driving characteristics. "Whoa" acceleration once the turbo kicks in. Cons: Too expensive. I would have to lease the car and I drive too many miles to make it worth it. I would likely earn many speeding tickets in the car. Pretty small interior.

2. Audi A4 - Comparable to the BMW as far as driving feel goes. But too small. A6 is sized better but is too expensive.

Your car didn't "die", it just needs wear and tear items in the suspension replaced and you need a brake job.

Unless you failed emissions or you have codes stored your plugs are not even in scope.
You can't claim to be a cheap bastard by spending 25,000 - 30,000 to avoid a $2000 bill on a car that should have at least another 5+ years\100K of road use ahead of it.

With that said, I can respect using any excuse possible to justify getting a new car to replace an old, "tired of looking at you car"
Had BS excuses of my own on many occasions.

Accord really is the top choice but if the seat is uncomfortable then drop it from your list.

I have officially stopped recommending Nissans to people since every time I recommend one to somebody it bites them in the ass a few years down the line.

I'd check out the new Mazda6.
 

Dr. Detroit

Diamond Member
Sep 25, 2004
8,254
707
126
I would not touch the Hyundai or Kia twins as they are all new for 2015 - plus their HP & MPG ratings seem shady as hell.

Mazda 6
Fusion
Accord
Passat
and if AWD is a must I throw in the all new Legacy

If your open to wagons I'd also go look at a Acura TSX sportwagon.

Can't go wrong with picking up something slightly used either:
http://www.offleaseonly.com/used-car/lincoln-mkz-3ln6l2g96dr807433.htm


The luxo compacts (A-4, C-Class, 3-Series) are all the equivalent size of a Civic/Corolla/Elantra for interior room - you want a mid-size car.
Civic Passenger Volume = 95 cu/ft
BMW 3 Passenger Vlume = 96 cu/ft
 
Last edited:

squarecut1

Platinum Member
Nov 1, 2013
2,230
5
46
Does Mazda 6 have the same long term reliability as an Accord or Camry? I've been considering it too, but not sure how it holds up.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |