Also, for those that think I'm a troll, what do you think of this guy lol.
Also, for those that think I'm a troll, what do you think of this guy lol.
You're a pedantic moron who loves semantics and derails threads using that skill. I'd say you're on the scale.
FIVR is quite clearly either a child or a "special" adult. Could also be a Russian, it's hard to distinguish between a Russian and an American "special" adult.
If that happens the city will burn to the ground. It will be the first time I didn't object to that reaction.It's not that I disagree with anything you're saying, it's that I believe that we need to draw a line in the sand. If Guyger gets away here without any criminal punishment, then that sets a precedent that says that any law enforcement officer, at any time, for any reason, can just walk into any one of our homes and kill any one of us.
That's not alarmism or hyperbole. Jean was in own home, doing nothing wrong, when an off-duty LEO unlawfully entered his home and killed him.
That she might get away with that freaks the fuck out of me. And I'm so white even other white people call me white. This is not okay.
We get so many in this forum who claim "just behave and you have nothing to worry about". Ok guys where so we go from here?
Do we need to arm ourselves to be safe from police? If Jean had been armed, shot and killed her first what would be said about him? He would NOT get the benefit of self defense.
I still don't understand how it's justified to just blow a guy away on sight just because you think he shouldn't be in a certain place.
Oh, and you figured this out in the 4 posts of mine to you, also interesting.
That fits with what I said. Police have a us vs them mentality. The them are seen as the dangerous/violent masses while they are the arbiters of justice. That never ends well.
Ironically they have been getting all butthurt when we adopt the very same "us against them" mentality, something the black community has done for quite a long time. Then they have the nerve to blame them for not cooperating with their police overlords.
The reason they are protecting her, is because of the us vs them mentality. Cops do risk their safety and so its reasonable for them to be somewhat guarded. The problem is that what most in dangers cops is not having control of situations. The solution they found was from the military. The military picked up its methods in war, and that is very different situation than what police face. Further, we have a gun culture so any violence has the probability of becoming lethal in ways that other societies do not have. So, when a cop goes into a situation, the first thing they try to do is establish order through their authority.
The problem is that because this is not war, and they are servants of the people they are trying to serve, their military tactics cause other problems that the military does not often if ever have to deal with. Civilians are not combatants. Combatants are people that are looking to kill you any moment they see an opening, so soldiers on the battlefield need to use force to establish ultimate control. Police are not on a battlefield, but, they are also not as safe as the main populace.
There is also the issue that Police are trained and citizens are not. So even when people think they are being reasonable Police do not and they overreact.
I sit on the side that believes its currently manslaughter. I also see some things that could point to this being more, but, I will hold off until I get more details. But, I think there is a fantastic case for manslaughter which should give more than enough of an alarm to other cops. Further, I also want to have justice for what has been done so far, such as letting her clean up and move.
There is also the issue that Police are trained and citizens are not. So even when people think they are being reasonable Police do not and they overreact.
Which goes more toward the point that I, and I'm pretty sure you, are trying to make. They are the supposedly trained professionals on the scene and more often than not they appear, at least initially, to be the unreasonable ones. They can take a calm encounter and ratchet that shit from a 3 to a 10 in two minutes.
The problem is that the cops aren't even looking to see if those details exist or not. Even worse is they have allowed her to cleanse a shit ton of potentially damning evidence including moving out of her apartment before it was searched, not sure if it would have mattered or not given all of the time she continues to have to continue to cleanse. But now there is zero chance that anything will be found from her apartment. To date, we can find all kinds of search warrants issued for this case but none of them have been for anything remotely related to evidence that would up the charge.
The problem is that the cops aren't even looking to see if those details exist or not. Even worse is they have allowed her to cleanse a shit ton of potentially damning evidence including moving out of her apartment before it was searched, not sure if it would have mattered or not given all of the time she continues to have to continue to cleanse. But now there is zero chance that anything will be found from her apartment. To date, we can find all kinds of search warrants issued for this case but none of them have been for anything remotely related to evidence that would up the charge.
That's ridiculous. What kind of damning evidence would you suggest existed in her apt? You have a conspiracy theory working, or what? Of course she moved. Staying there would just invite more trouble than she already has, which is plenty.
Proof that she had more of a relationship than she stated.
Do you believe for one millisecond that if the roles were reversed, he killed her in her apartment because of the same exact alleged accident, that his apartment wouldn't be tossed as soon as they could get a search warrant in front of a judge, even if they had to wake one up?
Edit: Also see above post about her computer.
Which is conspiracy theory.
More conspiracy theory. Why does it have to be more than an unfortunate incident where she made a huge mistake? It seems pretty clear that's the way it was. It's the only thing that makes any sense at all. I strongly suspect she will ultimately face charges for manslaughter.
Because even if it was some horrible unfortunate mistake, then she must face charges for manslaughter, and should be convicted if what we know is found to be true. Because that is undoubtedly what would happen to any one of the rest of us if we made the same mistake. To treat her otherwise is to place the police, even off duty, above the law.
And shouldn't that concern all of us? That an off-duty government employee could walk into any one of our homes and murder one of us and get away with it because hey, it was a mistake? And if that doesn't worry you, why not?
Is it because the circumstances of when the police are allowed to be held above the law seem to depend considerably upon the social status of the victim? I'm thinking so.
Because even if it was some horrible unfortunate mistake, then she must face charges for manslaughter, and should be convicted if what we know is found to be true. Because that is undoubtedly what would happen to any one of the rest of us if we made the same mistake. To treat her otherwise is to place the police, even off duty, above the law.
And shouldn't that concern all of us? That an off-duty government employee could walk into any one of our homes and murder one of us and get away with it because hey, it was a mistake? And if that doesn't worry you, why not?
Is it because the circumstances of when the police are allowed to be held above the law seem to depend considerably upon the social status of the victim? I'm thinking so.
You don't need a conspiracy theory just an awareness of history to know blacks are treated worse by the criminal justice system then whitesWhich is conspiracy theory.
More conspiracy theory. Why does it have to be more than an unfortunate incident where she made a huge mistake? It seems pretty clear that's the way it was. It's the only thing that makes any sense at all. I strongly suspect she will ultimately face charges for manslaughter.
So what? The facts are indisputable in this case. She shot him dead in his own apartment. He was unarmed in his underwear. She will inevitably face charges.You don't need a conspiracy theory just an awareness of history to know blacks are treated worse by the criminal justice system then whites
Meaning if the cop was black he would have been arrested and his apartment searched before he could scrub it.So what? The facts are indisputable in this case. She shot him dead in his own apartment. He was unarmed in his underwear. She will inevitably face charges.