You merely assume there might have been while having no evidence to believe it to be true. You are jumping to conclusions.
I'll answer it this way. If there was anything in that apartment that indicated she knew tie victim think its still there?
I wouldn't be surprised if a certain amount of sanitizing occurred to help her out.I'll answer it this way. If there was anything in that apartment that indicated she knew tie victim think its still there?
I wouldn't be surprised if a certain amount of sanitizing occurred to help her out.
Well, she's been fired. That's something at least.
"An internal affairs investigation concluded that Guyger 'engaged in adverse conduct when she was arrested' for manslaughter."
Whatever 'engaged in adverse conduct' means. For an average citizen would that be resisting arrest?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/us/dallas-police-officer-fired-botham-shem-jean/index.html
Of course she's been fired. They just had to cross the t's & dot the i's to get there.
You merely assume there might have been while having no evidence to believe it to be true. You are jumping to conclusions.
I have no idea if there was anything incriminating there. The point is, if they did not search her place before she was allowed to re-enter and move out, we'll never know. The mere fact that there could have been something incriminating there means it was serious misconduct not to search her place straight away.
You can't have it both ways, saying you support due process and fair trials, but you already know what happened. Or that you know any black man shooting a cop will never get a fair trial. Regardless of how difficult that may currently be to get, we must still strive for it as the gold standard we will accept nothing less than.
Either we wait for the trial, accepting the cops innocence until proven guilty, or we indulge our need for vengeance and make sure she suffers as much as possible now. I'd rather have righteous vengeance later, and do what I can to uphold the concept of innocent until proven guilty regardless of race or it being a cop.
That said, if the Dallas PD did an internal investigation, found the cop guilty of violating procedure or some other kind of gross incompetence, and fired her for the shooting independent of what a criminal trial might find, I would totally accept that. I would hope that their decision would be based on their policy and facts of the case, rather than an attempt to pacify the outraged public assumptions of guilt along black/blue racial/professional lines.
You're working very hard to be a conspiracy theory dumbass. She probably grabbed an overnight bag & a change of clothes, stayed with a friend & moved her stuff to storage or another place the next day. Seems like a reasonable way to go to me.
Put yourself in her shoes & tell us what you would have done instead.
My point is that she can't be shown to have done anything wrong after the shooting. The PD didn't even ask to look in her place. Her actions were entirely reasonable. You're playing the "what if there was something there" game of supposition.
Most sane people would conclude that.And my point is, when someone is suspected of a serious crime, you search their residence. That wasn't done here. She shot a man in his own house and claimed it was a tragic mistake. Any credible investigation would put that story to the test, to see if there is any evidence of a prior relationship between the two which could have formed a motive for murder. Whether this was murder or not I do not know. I do know that they didn't do their job if they didn't search her apartment.
I'm not arguing that her actions post arrest were unusual. This isn't about her actions. It's about those investigating her.
I honestly cannot understand why you disagree.
Since she is a cop it is just as reasonable to think that she moved her stuff into storage within days or a week of the shooting to destroy any potential they had for gathering damning evidence. Real easy to make sure you get it all when you are packing everything up. Maybe have a friend help, or hire a professional, to deep clean the carpets and wipe the walls down. All things perfectly reasonable things to do if you want to get your deposit back. But then it would be awfully convenient if the terms of her lease just happened to up this month so it is very likely that breaking the lease plus cost of storage would be far more expensive than just using the apartment for storage. She could even have said friend going back and forth to pick up the things she needs if she doesn't want to encounter the other tenants.
In what universe does that happen before shooter's residence is searched, especially if the shooter is black and the dead person is white?You speculate wildly. Imagine yourself in the best case scenario. I mean, you really blew it & killed your neighbor in his own apt. I mean, holy shit. What a colossal fuckup. When the investigating officers tell you you can leave, you go home, call a friend, pack a few things & hit the door because you really don't want to be there. The next morning you call the apt manager & tell him you need to break the lease. He thanks you for being considerate of all the other people in the building & asks how he can help because he doesn't need the aggravation of you staying. And poof, you're out.
There's nothing nefarious about that.
In what universe does that happen before shooter's residence is searched, especially if the shooter is black and the dead person is white?
In what universe does that happen before shooter's residence is searched, especially if the shooter is black and the dead person is white?
My point is that she can't be shown to have done anything wrong after the shooting. The PD didn't even ask to look in her place. Her actions were entirely reasonable. You're playing the "what if there was something there" game of supposition.
I think you can suspend a cop, take away their gun, even suspend pay and whatever else is necessary until after the trial. I saw protest signs the weekend after the shooting calling for the cop to be both fired and in jail for murder. And I'm sure the folks waving them knew very little of this case beyond the race and profession of those involved.
I think I can fairly say many have made up their minds about why Mr. Jean got shot based on race and cop hate. Doesn't make the cop any less guilty looking and the shooting any less suspect, but I've still got hope we can demand and hopefully get a fair trial. If others have given up on that then grab your guns and start burning shit down. I'm not at that point yet.
I don't think that most people believe that she did something unreasonable when she moved. It is the police that did. They should have searched her apartment before she was allowed to move. This is what would have happened in any other case.You speculate wildly. Imagine yourself in the best case scenario. I mean, you really blew it & killed your neighbor in his own apt. I mean, holy shit. What a colossal fuckup. When the investigating officers tell you you can leave, you go home, call a friend, pack a few things & hit the door because you really don't want to be there. The next morning you call the apt manager & tell him you need to break the lease. He thanks you for being considerate of all the other people in the building & asks how he can help because he doesn't need the aggravation of you staying. And poof, you're out.
There's nothing nefarious about that.
What he said!Let me help you out, because you are clearly unable to understand what literally everyone here except for you is talking about. This is not about HER actions after the shooting. It is about WHO allowed the actions to occur. WHO'S actions allowed her to do some stuff that Why did THEY allow her to do this when THEY would not allow any one of us to do that? She should never have been allowed to do what she did. Put yourself in the shoes of the investigating cops and ask yourself why you were all such assholes instead of doing the right thing?
I hope that clears up what everyone else is talking about because you have spent multiple pages of this thread derping the shit out of it.
What he said too!I don't think that most people believe that she did something unreasonable when she moved. It is the police that did. They should have searched her apartment before she was allowed to move. This is what would have happened in any other case.
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My point is that she can't be shown to have done anything wrong after the shooting. The PD didn't even ask to look in her place. Her actions were entirely reasonable. You're playing the "what if there was something there" game of supposition.
No one is saying that SHE is at fault for getting rid of possible evidence you dumb fuck.
The point that EVERYBODY has been making is that she shouldn't have been allowed to do that.
Tell me, is it really reasonable in your mind that they got a warrant to search the victims place for drugs but no warrant to search her place and that she was just let go right after the incident to clear out any possible evidence (note POSSIBLE, no one is saying that there WERE any evidence, just that they didn't LOOK for any). Does this pass your smell test because if it does I've got this chocolate bar I'd like to sell you that I made on the toilet.
Gawd. Warrants to search the scene of a shooting cover everything. You name it, they can look for it. The notion that the cops always search a shooter's residence is mistaken, I'm sure. It would have been better for the cops if they had but it's highly unlikely it would have been worth the effort. What the Hell do you think they should have been looking for, anyway?
Yeh, I know- coulda been something, God only knows what, but it coulda been something.