Dallas officer enters apartment she mistakes for her own, fatally shoots man inside

[Muse]

So because we let cops get away with all sorts of misdeeds, we should let this one also slide?

It wouldn't be a slide, she misjudged the situation, big difference. If a cop shoots a guy in the back who's running away, he knows what he's doing. Don't you see the difference? Sheesh.

 

[Brainonska511]

It wouldn't be a slide, she misjudged the situation, big difference. If a cop shoots a guy in the back who's running away, he knows what he's doing. Don't you see the difference? Sheesh.

She misjudged the situation in a pretty serious way: she entered the wrong apartment, then shot a guy sitting on his own couch.

Just because justice is misapplied for other cops doesn't mean we should misapply it for her "mistake".

 

[Muse]

She misjudged the situation in a pretty serious way: she entered the wrong apartment, then shot a guy sitting on his own couch.

Just because justice is misapplied for other cops doesn't mean we should misapply it for her "mistake".

you're wrong on 2 counts:

1. The guy was approaching her according to her testimony, not sitting on his couch.

2. This isn't "justice" at all. "The only justice in the halls of justice is in the halls." - Lenny Bruce. Bruce was in a position to know, he spent much of the latter part of his life fighting for justice in the courts. They were all over him for his on stage routines. What I'm saying is that this verdict is anything but justice. Cops shooting people all the time and getting away with it isn't misapplied justice, it's outright malfeasance and unchecked brutality.

 

[pmv]

So because we let cops get away with all sorts of misdeeds, we should let this one also slide?

I don't disagree, but one could nevertheless wonder, as a point of intellectual interest, why this one came out differently to all the others?

Could it be because the victim was particularly, visibly, 'respectable' and the media and police couldn't find a way to smear them as somehow 'deserving it?

Or because it set racist feelings against the strong culture of one's home being a protected space? Those two beliefs could counter each other within the same people.

Or just random chance - someone has to occasionally get justice in such cases, I guess.

I know it was all thrashed out at length in the first part of this thread, but everything about the behaviour of the police officer still seems utterly strange to me. I still don't understand how she could have mistaken the apartment, nor why her first instinct was to shoot, nor why she seemed incapable of grasping what she had done (going on about worrying about losing her job, as if that was the most important thing after killing a man). Nobody suggested she was drunk, right? Just tired? Just seems to me you'd have to be completely 'out of it' to behave the way she did. I'm still kind of baffled by the whole thing.

 

[FirNaTine]

My own mother spent 30 years as a cop, working as a Corrections Officer at CIW. The California Women's prison. her first 6 years, she worked exclusively with Susan Anton, Leslie Van Houten, and Patty Kernwinkle aka the "Manson Girls" She was LT of the SERT team. She never once ever even drew her weapon. I know Riverside PD guys that have gone their entire careers without ever drawing the weapon outside of the range.

Cops cared about life then, they don't now.

Today it's "kill them all, and let God sort them out."

While it takes a special person to walk inside the walls of a prison outnumbered, that isn’t the same as police on the outside drawing their weapons. The only time I’ve ever seen a corrections officer armed is either in a sentry post on a perimeter, or when performing prisoner transport outside a facility. Inside the walls, they don’t have a gun to pull, because they are very likely to be overwhelmed and disarmed.

And I’ve been in a number of different facilities with different agencies literally hundreds of times, both county and state levels for anything from pre-trial to death row inmates (no longer in MD though).

 

[Muse]

Nobody suggested she was drunk, right? Just tired? Just seems to me you'd have to be completely 'out of it' to behave the way she did. I'm still kind of baffled by the whole thing.

So, put her in prison for 10 years. Baffling behavior, not even an accusation of malice. This is wrong, punish. The bastards walk, she sits in a cell. I don't like it.

 

[Vic]

you're wrong on 2 counts:

1. The guy was approaching her according to her testimony, not sitting on his couch.

2. This isn't "justice" at all. "The only justice in the halls of justice is in the halls." - Lenny Bruce. Bruce was in a position to know, he spent much of the latter part of his life fighting for justice in the courts. They were all over him for his on stage routines. What I'm saying is that this verdict is anything but justice. Cops shooting people all the time and getting away with it isn't misapplied justice, it's outright malfeasance and unchecked brutality.

The forensic evidence presented in court contradicted her testimony that he was approaching her. Instead, it seems that he was sitting on his couch, in his underwear, eating ice cream, and watching TV.

 

[Muse]

The forensic evidence presented in court contradicted her testimony that he was approaching her. Instead, it seems that he was sitting on his couch, in his underwear, eating ice cream, and watching TV.

That's some weird shit. Dunno...

 

[Victorian Gray]

you're wrong on 2 counts:

1. The guy was approaching her according to her testimony, not sitting on his couch.

2. This isn't "justice" at all. "The only justice in the halls of justice is in the halls." - Lenny Bruce. Bruce was in a position to know, he spent much of the latter part of his life fighting for justice in the courts. They were all over him for his on stage routines. What I'm saying is that this verdict is anything but justice. Cops shooting people all the time and getting away with it isn't misapplied justice, it's outright malfeasance and unchecked brutality.

1) her testimony is full of shit because the medical evidence indicates that he was doing no such thing. Medical evidence indicates that he was either still sitting or possibly rising from the couch.

2) Pure babble and I have nothing to say in reply.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So, put her in prison for 10 years. Baffling behavior, not even an accusation of malice. This is wrong, punish. The bastards walk, she sits in a cell. I don't like it.

And fuck the innocent dead guy that she killed. Actions generally have consequences. Now she'll pay for her actions. <shrug>

 

[Viper1j]

While it takes a special person to walk inside the walls of a prison outnumbered, that isn’t the same as police on the outside drawing their weapons. The only time I’ve ever seen a corrections officer armed is either in a sentry post on a perimeter, or when performing prisoner transport outside a facility. Inside the walls, they don’t have a gun to pull, because they are very likely to be overwhelmed and disarmed.

And I’ve been in a number of different facilities with different agencies literally hundreds of times, both county and state levels for anything from pre-trial to death row inmates (no longer in MD though).

You're forgetting that in California, they also carry off-duty as well. Just like any other peace officer.

 

[Indus]

You guys watch this?

Wouldn't surprise me if the cops did this.

 

[Paratus]

You guys watch this?

Wouldn't surprise me if the cops did this.

Just saw he was shot multiple times. Wow that’s suspicious as hell.

 

[brycejones]

That's some weird shit. Dunno...

How is that weird?

 

[dainthomas]

How is that weird?

Apparently it's weird that she lied to try to stay out of prison. Too bad she didn't have any crack to sprinkle on him, that might have done it.

 

[pmv]

So, put her in prison for 10 years. Baffling behavior, not even an accusation of malice. This is wrong, punish. The bastards walk, she sits in a cell. I don't like it.

Well the bafflement, for me, is more about wondering whether her account of what she was thinking is true or complete, and wondering how someone could think and act like that. The baffling nature of it makes me feel more negatively towards her, not less.

If, as has been said, she'll only serve 5 actually behind bars, that doesn't seem excessive to me.

If you carry a gun around you have to accept taking the responsibility for what happens if you use it. It's not dissimilar from killing with a car, in my opinion. What exactly you were thinking at the time doesn't much matter, the victim is just as dead.

 

[Vic]

Apparently it's weird that she lied to try to stay out of prison. Too bad she didn't have any crack to sprinkle on him, that might have done it.

What is the world coming to when "I thought I smelled marijuana" isn't enough to sway a jury?

 

[Muse]

How is that weird?

I didn't know that forensic evidence made her out a liar. They never said that on network news, which is where I got my info. I'm not saying all network news is fake news, that's Dump. I wouldn't watch it if it was, but they all too often leave out crucial info. Yeah, that sucks.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I didn't know that forensic evidence made her out a liar. They never said that on network news, which is where I got my info. I'm not saying all network news is fake news, that's Dump. I wouldn't watch it if it was, but they all too often leave out crucial info. Yeah, that sucks.

Funny, I saw it on network news from both American and Canadian networks as well as numerous newspaper and magazine articles. <shrug>

 

[cirrrocco]

Did anyone read about the news where the another resident of the same apt complex got shot last night. Seems he also deposed in the same crime against Amber

 

[Jaskalas]

Did anyone read about the news where the another resident of the same apt complex got shot last night. Seems he also deposed in the same crime against Amber

Now I can understand why she was afraid of a man. The crime rate in that location must be through the roof.

 

[senseamp]

Did she sprinkle some crack on the dude she shot?

 

[allisolm]

You guys watch this?

Wouldn't surprise me if the cops did this.

Or the person who shot him last year and who has not been arrested, but who apparently he and his family thought targeted him and was someone he had grown up with and who he feared might come back to try and finish the job.

Mystery surrounds the killing of a witness in the Amber Guyger trial. Here's what we know

Joshua Brown catapulted into the spotlight when he reluctantly testified in the murder trial of former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger. Ten days after he testified, Brown was shot and killed .

www.cnn.com

 

[Muse]

Funny, I saw it on network news from both American and Canadian networks as well as numerous newspaper and magazine articles. <shrug>

I stopped getting a newspaper about a month ago, tired of them jacking up the price 25% a year and I balked at re-subscribing to the SF Chronicle. I do have a subscription to the NY Times online, 1 year trial at $1/week, but I'm not in the habit of checking it out. Just not as easy to deal with as paper and ink but a long shot.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I stopped getting a newspaper about a month ago, tired of them jacking up the price 25% a year and I balked at re-subscribing to the SF Chronicle. I do have a subscription to the NY Times online, 1 year trial at $1/week, but I'm not in the habit of checking it out. Just not as easy to deal with as paper and ink but a long shot.

That's interesting but not the point.