Dallas officer enters apartment she mistakes for her own, fatally shoots man inside

[realibrad]

Wow, crime must be out of control there.

Well, depends on the type of crime. I think London just passed NY in murder rate recently.

 

[ecogen]

Well, depends on the type of crime. I think London just passed NY in murder rate recently.

This fucking bullshit. It was just for a single month.

 

[realibrad]

This fucking bullshit. It was just for a single month.

Hey guy, you are wrong. If you look at different types of crime, they are higher than in NY. Take muggins for example. The rate is higher. That is why I said you have to look at the type of crime.

 

[woolfe9998]

Did the cop call him or not? Shit, these questions aren't very hard to ask. Why the ambiguous statements that make it sound like she did but don't actually say so?

Sure, but you also didn't source your claim that "London just passed NY in murder rate recently." He is contesting you, stating that this was for only a single month. Do you have any data to back your claim?

 

[ecogen]

Well, depends on the type of crime. I think London just passed NY in murder rate recently.

This fucking bullshit. It was just for a single month.

Hey guy, you are wrong. If you look at different types of crime, they are higher than in NY. Take muggins for example. The rate is higher. That is why I said you have to look at the type of crime.

I was obviously referring to the murder rate. So, no, I am not wrong.

 

[realibrad]

I was obviously referring to the murder rate. So, no, I am not wrong.

I have an example to support my claim. You were calling BS on a fact or my claim?

 

[ecogen]

I have an example to support my claim. You were calling BS on a fact or my claim?

If you think a single month is statistically relevant I don't really think I need to waste my time with you.

So, do you think a single month of London's murder rate being above NY's is statistically relevant? Yes or no answer.

 

[Incorruptible]

She needs to be fired and face charges. She should be serving life in prison.

 

[woolfe9998]

This article explains the comparison in murder rates between the 2 cities:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43628494

Basically NY has had a higher murder rate for a decade (as shown on the chart, but it goes back way further than 2007). In February and March of this year, London had more murders, though it was only by 1 compared to NY in March.

There has been some convergence over time, but it's entirely because NY's rate as gone down while London's has stayed the same, or actually gone down some but by less.

Overall, London's murder rate from last year was 1.2 per 100,000 which is extremely low by the standards of major cities. NY's was 3.4, which is still not that high for a major city, but then, there are now many cities in the US with much higher murder rates than NY.

 

[ecogen]

This article explains the comparison in murder rates between the 2 cities:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43628494

Basically NY has had a higher murder rate for a decade (as shown on the chart, but it goes back way further than 2007). In February and March of this year, London had more murders, though it was only by 1 compared to NY in March.

There has been some convergence over time, but it's entirely because NY's rate as gone down while London's has stayed the same, or actually gone down some but by less.

Overall, London's murder rate from last year was 1.2 per 100,000 which is extremely low by the standards of major cities. NY's was 3.4, which is still not that high for a major city, but then, there are now many cities in the US with much higher murder rates than NY.

Yup, pretty much confirming what I said. Pointless cherrypicking is pointless, as usual.

 

[realibrad]

If you think a single month is statistically relevant I don't really think I need to waste my time with you.

So, do you think a single month of London's murder rate being above NY's is statistically relevant? Yes or no answer.

A single month is an outlier, unless it fits in with other things. That is why I said it depends on what you are looking at. NY tends to have more violent crime, buy London typically has more muggings per person.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yup, pretty much confirming what I said. Pointless cherrypicking is pointless, as usual.

Yes, but I linked an old article from BBC on it. Here's more current data:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44807271

And if favors your position even more. Since now we know that February definitely was an outlier. Every month since has shown more murders in NY. Meaning that this one month did not signal a shifting trend. Guess what, it probably happens every year, that London has more murder for one month. Certainly it happens at least once every few years. It's just statistical noise in a long term trend line.

 

[woolfe9998]

A single month is an outlier, unless it fits in with other things. That is why I said it depends on what you are looking at. NY tends to have more violent crime, buy London typically has more muggings per person.

See above. Every month since is back to the trend of NY having more murder.

You're shifting the goal posts to muggings now. Your original assertion was murder and it doesn't hold up.

 

[ecogen]

A single month is an outlier, unless it fits in with other things. That is why I said it depends on what you are looking at. NY tends to have more violent crime, buy London typically has more muggings per person.

Buddy, you made a claim about the murder rate based on a single month of data. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I didn't mention anything else.

 

[realibrad]

See above. Every month since is back to the trend of NY having more murder.

You're shifting the goal posts to muggings now. Your original assertion was murder and it doesn't hold up.

No. My assertion was that depending on what you look at you can find types of crime that are higher than cities in the US. That is why I said "depends on the type of crime". You can pick out things to support either side.

 

[realibrad]

Buddy, you made a claim about the murder rate based on a single month of data. Just admit you were wrong and move on. I didn't mention anything else.

Buddy, I did not. I made a claim that depending on what you look at, you can find some things that are higher. Your presumption seems to be that I was trying to say something that I did not say.

Read what I said again. I said London JUST passed. I did not try and pretend it was some long standing trend. I clearly denoted that it was something recent.

 

[ecogen]

Read what I said again. I said London JUST passed. I did not try and pretend it was some long standing trend. I clearly denoted that it was something recent.

I think London just passed NY in murder rate recently.

This is what you wrote, which is by all measures false as has been pointed out in this thread repeatedly. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you ad infinitum. You posted something that was wrong, I pointed it out. Simple as that.

 

[Ns1]

"I did not say what I said 41 posts ago".

 

[realibrad]

This is what you wrote, which is by all measures false as has been pointed out in this thread repeatedly. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you ad infinitum. You posted something that was wrong, I pointed it out. Simple as that.

Wait, so to you saying that it happened recently is not denoting that it happened for a month recently?

 

[ecogen]

Wait, so to you saying that it happened recently is not denoting that it happened for a month recently?

You're reaching concern troll territory.

I'll say it one last time: You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT take one specific month's data (which also happens to be an outlier) and make the claim that "London just passed NY's murder rate recently". That's not how statistics work. If you still don't get it then I'm sorry.

Have a good one, I'm done.

 

[realibrad]

You're reaching concern troll territory.

I'll say it one last time: You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT take one specific month's data (which also happens to be an outlier) and make the claim that "London just passed NY's murder rate recently". That's not how statistics work. If you still don't get it then I'm sorry.

Have a good one, I'm done.

London did pass NY in murder rate. It was small for sure, but, I never said that it was something other than a recent instance. Also, WTF with the concern thing? Where did that come from?

 

[Perknose]

London did pass NY in murder rate. It was small for sure, but, I never said that it was something other than a recent instance. Also, WTF with the concern thing? Where did that come from?

You are either really, stupidly dense OR you are deliberately arguing dishonestly. "The concern thing" would be referencing the latter, that you are a deliberate troll. I lean towards thinking you are not deliberately trolling. This is not a compliment.

 

[MixMasterTang]

London did pass NY in murder rate. It was small for sure, but, I never said that it was something other than a recent instance. Also, WTF with the concern thing? Where did that come from?

With your logic, as soon as somebody is killed in any particular country then the country most likely had the highest murder rate of the last second/millisecond, would you say that they've surpassed the murder rate of every other place in the world recently?

 

[Timorous]

Well, depends on the type of crime. I think London just passed NY in murder rate recently.

London did pass NY in murder rate. It was small for sure, but, I never said that it was something other than a recent instance.

You did not explicitly state that you were talking about running average or a single data point but the way your comment is phrased heavily implies that the running average murder rate in London recently exceeded the running average murder rate in NY, this has been shown to be untrue yet you still argue the toss.

If you were talking about a single data point you should have explicitly stated that or phrased your comment differently so it was obvious.

 

[realibrad]

You did not explicitly state that you were talking about running average or a single data point but the way your comment is phrased heavily implies that the running average murder rate in London recently exceeded the running average murder rate in NY, this has been shown to be untrue yet you still argue the toss.

If you were talking about a single data point you should have explicitly stated that or phrased your comment differently so it was obvious.

Why does my comment imply a running average? I said two sentences in my post. One was that depending on the type of crime you might find it to be higher. That gives you nothing to support your interpretation of long term rate.

The other was that recently London had passed NY in murders. Again, nothing there supports your interpretation.

Had he started his original post by saying he wanted to point out that it was a month over month comparison, then I would have agreed and said that is why it matters what and how you measure things.

Instead the assumption made by him and others is that I'm trying to mislead and or troll.