damnit....apple impressed me again with their WWDC:(

[Goosemaster]

now I want a mac again...

 

[maziwanka]

link please

 

[Goosemaster]

http://www.apple.com/


there is a link..the dual xeon is hot

 

[intogamer]

photoshopppers rig

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: intogamer
photoshopppers rig

makes for a nice desktop though for personal stuff...

MAJOR OVERKILL in terms of the hardware, but still, when in Rome

 

[Playmaker]

Any iPod-related news? Preferably price cuts?

My iPod went to sh!t recently a couple of months after the warranty, so I'm not impressed.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Any iPod-related news? Preferably price cuts?

My iPod went to sh!t recently a couple of months after the warranty, so I'm not impressed.

apple refurb 30gb ipod video. $199 on apple.com. hot price.

 

[halfadder]

I find it funny that the MacPro is only available with quad cores (two dual-core woodcrest Core2Duo 4MB Xeons). No plain dual core option... for now.

$200 cheaper if you're a student, teacher/professor, or parent. Mighty tempting, but I might wait until it includes 10.5 sometime next year.

 

[cmdrdredd]

And yet their gaming performance sucks to this day even according to their own benchmarks which I beat by 10fps each with my x2 3800+ @ 2.6Ghz and a 7800GT.

That is the one thing I got a PC for during the 1Ghz Athlon days...GAMES. And I'm not even so sure their photoshop times would be that hot either, but I wish I could use their OS.

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
And yet their gaming performance sucks to this day even according to their own benchmarks which I beat by 10fps each with my x2 3800+ @ 2.6Ghz and a 7800GT.

That is the one thing I got a PC for during the 1Ghz Athlon days...GAMES. And I'm not even so sure their photoshop times would be that hot either, but I wish I could use their OS.

Then buy the MacPro with 1900XT for $2800 or so and dual-boot into XP for games, using Boot Camp.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
And yet their gaming performance sucks to this day even according to their own benchmarks which I beat by 10fps each with my x2 3800+ @ 2.6Ghz and a 7800GT.

That is the one thing I got a PC for during the 1Ghz Athlon days...GAMES. And I'm not even so sure their photoshop times would be that hot either, but I wish I could use their OS.

Then buy the MacPro with 1900XT for $2800 or so and dual-boot into XP for games, using Boot Camp.

no, because then I can't get a G80 upon release and Apple's sound is pathetic still. I'm not even sure if there's any add-in cards that can do 5.1 and most definately wouldn't expect a PC card to just work does it?

 

[ProfJohn]

It seems that the only reason to get a PC these days, over a Mac, is to play games. Macs are certainly better machines for content creation. And if there is anything you can't do natively on a Mac just throw in Boot Camp or Crossover and run XP on your Mac.

For your mom/dad, grandparents and young kids Macs are WAY better, much harder to mess up and a lot less risk of a virus, trojan horse or some other bad thing getting into the computer due to user error.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It seems that the only reason to get a PC these days, over a Mac, is to play games. Macs are certainly better machines for content creation. And if there is anything you can't do natively on a Mac just throw in Boot Camp or Crossover and run XP on your Mac.

For your mom/dad, grandparents and young kids Macs are WAY better, much harder to mess up and a lot less risk of a virus, trojan horse or some other bad thing getting into the computer due to user error.

"difficulty" in use is simply what a person is more adjusted to. Take an idiot who knows nothing about Windows, Linux or Mac and they can easily learn to use email, type documents, surf the web, etc.
Linux itself doesn't need to worry about Viruses because of its design, and because its such a small segment that making a linux virus will hit very few Mac is in a similar category. For windows get decent AC, put them behind a router and give them a limited user account and it is locked down as well.

In terms of ease of use, the Mac offers nothing that is inherently better, or easier to use.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It seems that the only reason to get a PC these days, over a Mac, is to play games. Macs are certainly better machines for content creation. And if there is anything you can't do natively on a Mac just throw in Boot Camp or Crossover and run XP on your Mac.

For your mom/dad, grandparents and young kids Macs are WAY better, much harder to mess up and a lot less risk of a virus, trojan horse or some other bad thing getting into the computer due to user error.

"difficulty" in use is simply what a person is more adjusted to. Take an idiot who knows nothing about Windows, Linux or Mac and they can easily learn to use email, type documents, surf the web, etc.
Linux itself doesn't need to worry about Viruses because of its design, and because its such a small segment that making a linux virus will hit very few Mac is in a similar category. For windows get decent AC, put them behind a router and give them a limited user account and it is locked down as well.

In terms of ease of use, the Mac offers nothing that is inherently better, or easier to use.

but... but... that's not what the two guys sitting in boxes trying to be witty on TV tell me...

 

[shady28]

"No plain dual core option... for now."

I don't think there is going to be a plain dual core option.

Unlike most of Apples releases, they pretty clearly stated two things in the WWDC presentation : 1 - All Mac Pros will have quad processors. 2 - There will be one standard configuration, with ~5 million possible configurations.

The configs are pretty impressive though. You can go from quad 2Ghz Woodcrest processors up to quad 3Ghz woodcrests. Up to 4 SATA II HDDs, and up to 3x video cards, and up to 16GB of RAM. New vid cards too, including the X1900XT 512MB.

Big shocker for me is the price - its VERY low for a quad Woodcrest. You'd be really hard pressed to get a quad woodcrest box together for the price that Apple is asking without going for a mishmash of cheap hardware.

Heck, I'm sitting here looking at a Dell Precision 490 with a single 2.66Ghz Woodcrest - getting it close to equivalent by stripping monitor and RAM - and it's landing at almost $3000. And thats with one 80GB drive, a CDRW, and only one dual-core processor.

 

[n0cmonkey]

I miss the G5.

 

[Ika]

I hate the fact that Apple is a hardware company and not a software company. Oh, the day when we can dual-boot OSX and Vista on a self-built PC...

 

[halfadder]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
no, because then I can't get a G80 upon release and Apple's sound is pathetic still. I'm not even sure if there's any add-in cards that can do 5.1 and most definately wouldn't expect a PC card to just work does it?

Huh? Modern Intel-powered Macs have optical audio in/out and supports 5.1. Use a $10 TOSLINK cable to connect the Mac to your stereo/surround system/etc. I use a minijack optical -> TOSLINK cable to connect my MacBookPro to my Denon surround receiver.

If you wold rather have a bunch of analog outputs, you buy a breakout box or you can stick an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in there. They can be had for about $50 if you shop around.

On the high end, there are sound cards from Yamaha, Digidesign, etc....

http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=84&langid=100&itemid=4888

Even an old G5 looks cheap when your soundcard costs $13,3995

 

[halfadder]

Hmm, seems M-Audio hasn't updated their 7.1 card to PCIe yet. However they still have many USB and Firewire audio options, as does Tascam and a few other companies.

 

[George Powell]

Remember its not a Quad woodcrest.

Its just 2 dual core woodcrests.

However it does look mightily tempting. Although I think I'll have to give it a miss at the moment.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: halfadder

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
no, because then I can't get a G80 upon release and Apple's sound is pathetic still. I'm not even sure if there's any add-in cards that can do 5.1 and most definately wouldn't expect a PC card to just work does it?

Huh? Modern Intel-powered Macs have optical audio in/out and supports 5.1. Use a $10 TOSLINK cable to connect the Mac to your stereo/surround system/etc. I use a minijack optical -> TOSLINK cable to connect my MacBookPro to my Denon surround receiver.

If you wold rather have a bunch of analog outputs, you buy a breakout box or you can stick an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in there. They can be had for about $50 if you shop around.

On the high end, there are sound cards from Yamaha, Digidesign, etc....

http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=84&langid=100&itemid=4888

Even an old G5 looks cheap when your soundcard costs $13,3995

that card is MIND BLOWING:Q

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
And yet their gaming performance sucks to this day even according to their own benchmarks which I beat by 10fps each with my x2 3800+ @ 2.6Ghz and a 7800GT.

That is the one thing I got a PC for during the 1Ghz Athlon days...GAMES. And I'm not even so sure their photoshop times would be that hot either, but I wish I could use their OS.

Then buy the MacPro with 1900XT for $2800 or so and dual-boot into XP for games, using Boot Camp.

no, because then I can't get a G80 upon release and Apple's sound is pathetic still. I'm not even sure if there's any add-in cards that can do 5.1 and most definately wouldn't expect a PC card to just work does it?

I'm not sure what a G80 is, but Apple's card is full 5.1 with digital outs, so I'm not sure what the issue is??

 

[dclive]

Originally posted by: Aflac
I hate the fact that Apple is a hardware company and not a software company. Oh, the day when we can dual-boot OSX and Vista on a self-built PC...

Be aware, though, that at the moment the cheapest place to buy a quad-core Xeon box is Apple - by anywhere from $500-1000 depending on config.

That's never been true before.

 

[dclive]

And it will run XP Pro flawlessly, too.

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: dclive

Originally posted by: Aflac
I hate the fact that Apple is a hardware company and not a software company. Oh, the day when we can dual-boot OSX and Vista on a self-built PC...

Be aware, though, that at the moment the cheapest place to buy a quad-core Xeon box is Apple - by anywhere from $500-1000 depending on config.

That's never been true before.

Possibly, but for my purposes, I don't need a quad-core system. A dual-core system would suffice, especially since I'm used to my entirely-too-sluggish computer right now.

A $1500 system would hit the spot.