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Moonbeam

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Hell No! No Chance I'm choosing sadness over joy. No Chance I'm choosing the Eeyore "I Was So Upset,I Forgot To Be Happy" approach to life(Sad little donkey, I mean you not the cartoon character). No Chance I'm going to stop amusing myself by playing with dummies. How much of myself do you think I have invested in him? He does not hurt or offend me per se. He is a cancer in the world and I enjoy making fun of it. He literally can do/say nothing to insinuate himself in my knowing of myself. You seem confused, my ego, my self-worth, my love of myself are all in good order (by my standards obviously, not yours. Ask yourself why you'd want to strip that away from me... Is it to be intentionally cruel to your Bestie? Ouch though!) The fight you see in me is for the state of the world not for my poor self-imposed, self-involved weeping soul, it does not weep. The state of the world does make me sad Moonbeam. That his brand of hate, ignorance and intolerance festers and is nurtured and then unloade dwith a belief of righteousness disappoints me. Your lay down and die approach fixes nothing unless of course you convince the entire world to do the same. Hence the reason you find so little support. People aren't interesting in dying your death. Not from fear or miscomprehension. Your way is too flighty, boring, sad, morbid... yeah yeah, from our memory of those things but not real blah blah...

Now, I've told you in the past and I'll tell you again. I reject your teachings. See, I absolutely LOVE learning. My brain feels so nourished, electrified and sparkly when I feed it. Of course I want everyone to experience it (from a place of positivity <--- that's crucial!) I'm just not interested in your Ether Teaching that's neither here nor there but everything! However, if you insist on Charlie Brown Teachering me... Make jokes, make me laugh, make me enjoy your wah-wah-wah-wah-wah. I INSIST!

At this point you're asking yourself... Will she *boop* me?

The answer is...






YES!

*boop* Sir! I SAID *boop*!
Your self assurance tastes remarkably like chicken. Can you see that? "You may be a one eyed Jack, dad, but I seen the other side of your face." My way or the highway is all well and good if and only if the highway isn't anybody's highway but truth's. Let me know if you start to notice that everything that you know you know because you don't know one thing, that you don't know anything. You will be surprised how wise that will make you. One think you will unlearn is that in a world full of delusional people who suffer untold unconscious misery, that you yourself can ever be truly happy. To be or not to be, that is the question, to sleep or to awaken.

Boop is a two edged sword.
 

agent00f

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Your self assurance tastes remarkably like chicken. Can you see that? "You may be a one eyed Jack, dad, but I seen the other side of your face." My way or the highway is all well and good if and only if the highway isn't anybody's highway but truth's. Let me know if you start to notice that everything that you know you know because you don't know one thing, that you don't know anything. You will be surprised how wise that will make you. One think you will unlearn is that in a world full of delusional people who suffer untold unconscious misery, that you yourself can ever be truly happy. To be or not to be, that is the question, to sleep or to awaken.

Boop is a two edged sword.

Those unhappy blacks and jews sure could've used his advice.
 

Moonbeam

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Stop say inane things Moonie. Or don't. Inane was my point.
You are struggling to save me from your own suffering which I died to a long time ago. Love you. I'm not conventionally religious but I like the 23 Psalm. Perhaps you will read it.
 

agent00f

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You are struggling to save me from your own suffering which I died to a long time ago. Love you. I'm not conventionally religious but I like the 23 Psalm. Perhaps you will read it.

Good thing those nazis and confederates weren't similarly "christian", too.
 

Moonbeam

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Good thing those nazis and confederates weren't similarly "christian", too.
Nazis and Confererates and Christians, oh my. Nazis and Confererates and Christians, oh my. Nazis and Confererates and Christians, oh my. Get a grip.
 

Younigue

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Your self assurance tastes remarkably like chicken. Can you see that? "You may be a one eyed Jack, dad, but I seen the other side of your face." My way or the highway is all well and good if and only if the highway isn't anybody's highway but truth's. Let me know if you start to notice that everything that you know you know because you don't know one thing, that you don't know anything. You will be surprised how wise that will make you. One think you will unlearn is that in a world full of delusional people who suffer untold unconscious misery, that you yourself can ever be truly happy. To be or not to be, that is the question, to sleep or to awaken.

Boop is a two edged sword.

Did you just weaponize *boop*? I hope you at least feel dirty for it.

Stop tasting MY chicken!

I have enough to share for sure but you're trying to mess with Original recipe. So Rude!

It is truly short-sighted of you to believe telling people to tear away their happiness only to be left with nothingness then tell them they get to call it bliss. coo-coo!

I love my life. I accept (NOT embrace) the lows. Relish the highs. I have really good self-esteem... I'm adorable! <--- see?

So, suggestion for you... Instead of peddling your loopy mind meld stuff to people who are in no way in actual words telling you they are unhappy and aimless why not peddle to people who are unhappy and aimless? This approach of first convincing/manipulating people in to seeing how miserable they are is pretty cult ugly territory. Are you on a church mission? I should let you know, I don't turn those people away at the door. I talk with them and they leave with food for thought rather than successful in their mission. In fact I'm pretty sure I convinced 4 young Mormons to find their own way rather than their parents way or their churches way. They kept returning, bringing friends with them and I spoke while they listened. Also, they thought I was really "cool"... I translated that to 'funny' 'cause I am.

So, back to my point. What is this compulsive need to convince people to hate themselves in order to learn how to nothing themselves? Far dickier people than you have tried to convince me I'm not worth loving. Just made me love myself more.

Your payoff for your sacrifices are worth it to you (low expectations imo). I need a better return for my investment and if it's false as you say, so be it. I will happily eat my chicken/porridge, chicken/streak, chicken/chocolatey treat. None of it is as bland as you've convinced yourself it has to be.

I know you think you are deeply complex yet dispute it But your epiphany is simple enough. Playin' hide-n-seek with emotions you don't feel equipped to manage (blah... because they're not real <--- funny stuff).

Hey Moonie darlin'... I love





... ME! I love being me! I'm good stuff! Just sayin'
Also,

*boop* <--- mine are gentle, swear word! Yeah, I just called you swear word! S'gotta hurt, sorry.

Besties For Life! *wink*
 
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Younigue

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You are struggling to save me from your own suffering which I died to a long time ago. Love you. I'm not conventionally religious but I like the 23 Psalm. Perhaps you will read it.
Never! Do you know what it would take to dig out my Bible?
 

Younigue

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You are struggling to save me from your own suffering which I died to a long time ago. Love you. I'm not conventionally religious but I like the 23 Psalm. Perhaps you will read it.
I have more to say on this post. I am not trying to save you. That's up to you. You think you've found the way. Goodonya!

"Love you" <--- sweet. My husband is a confident man, you're good. He has excellent self-esteem that matches/compliments my own. He'll think it's a bit odd, as he always does when people profess their love for me what with me being married and all. We both laugh because well, they don't gotta live with me, if ya know what I mean. Though he's convinced he'll never give up the adventure. I believe him.

Answer me this... Does my life sound hellish to you? That should be concerning to you.
 

Moonbeam

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Who knew racism only got so bad because victims didn't care for the racists. White nationalists are the Real victims here. If only the blacks and jews knew better, amirite?

As mentioned, no mystery at all why degenerates like you hell of a lot more than me.
Don't be an idiot. It won't ever end until everybody knows better, with the biggest egotist assholes the last in line.
 

agent00f

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Don't be an idiot. It won't ever end until everybody knows better, with the biggest egotist assholes the last in line.

I'm sure the racists find your arguments agreeable because they're looking to "know better". Sort of like christian nazis "didn't know better" than to kill jews out of personal self-interest.
 

Younigue

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I'm sure the racists find your arguments agreeable because they're looking to "know better". Sort of like christian nazis "didn't know better" than to kill jews out of personal self-interest.

You're kind of stuck on this nazi stuff hey? Moonbeam is harmless. I believe you know that. If he's racist, it's against all of humanity for being unenlightened. That just makes us dumb, not bad people. Do I have that right Moonie dear?
 

Younigue

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Moonbeam is pretty clearly a hypocrite, as mystic cultish types often are.

Not intentionally a hypocrite. He's hiding and from what he has said of his past he believes it's serving him well to hide. 'Mind you, he would die again *sigh* before acknowledging that he is hiding. He's got his soul in the fetal position and protecting it, telling it to stay right where it is because the world is just too brutal for it to endure. He soothes it by whispering softly that brutal is no different than kind, hate is nothing and neither is love so you mustn't rely on it. Through my conversations with him... He has no malicious intent. The only thing that confuses me about him is that he thinks his answers are and should be everyone's answers. He's chosen an isolating path but then gets mad that everyone won't choose to be isolated together with him. Whether he knows it or not, he's a work in progress (as are we all) who thinks he knows where his journey is taking him, though he'll deny that. He's in a tough spot... He fights with such commitment that it will likely be difficult to allow himself to change in any direction that doesn't line up with what he believes today. *shrug* I like him even though I don't think he wants me (specifically) to (we're BFF's!). Maybe one day he'll see that not one of us is telling him who or how to be but he absolutely is telling everyone that any way but his way is stupid.

He's turned a coping technique in to a religion.
 

Moonbeam

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I have more to say on this post. I am not trying to save you. That's up to you. You think you've found the way. Goodonya!

"Love you" <--- sweet. My husband is a confident man, you're good. He has excellent self-esteem that matches/compliments my own. He'll think it's a bit odd, as he always does when people profess their love for me what with me being married and all. We both laugh because well, they don't gotta live with me, if ya know what I mean. Though he's convinced he'll never give up the adventure. I believe him.

Answer me this... Does my life sound hellish to you? That should be concerning to you.
I took a trip to the net to find you the 23rd Psalm in Latin because that is the language in which I memorized it. I remember the sounds but not how to spell them. In the process I ran into some Rabbi I never heard of and know nothing about talking about what it means in Hebrew and saw a gleam in his eye I have seen elsewhere before. So I listened to some other thingi he did on YouTube as well as this one to share with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhW0kHSrVWs&index=2&list=PLHKC11ZL4FZR_otIXMZb76FAYMmncMNfM

Hope that's the right link. It starts with him mid topic on something
 

Younigue

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I took a trip to the net to find you the 23rd Psalm in Latin because that is the language in which I memorized it. I remember the sounds but not how to spell them. In the process I ran into some Rabbi I never heard of and know nothing about talking about what it means in Hebrew and saw a gleam in his eye I have seen elsewhere before. So I listened to some other thingi he did on YouTube as well as this one to share with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhW0kHSrVWs&index=2&list=PLHKC11ZL4FZR_otIXMZb76FAYMmncMNfM

Hope that's the right link. It starts with him mid topic on something

I lack nothing.
My pastures are green.
My waters are quiet.
My soul ain't dirty!
My path is good with God. For God's sake and my own.
My darkest paths, God and I give me the strength and the trust I need within myself to get through.
I have no enemies.
Yeah, my head's been oiled.
My cup does overflow.
I don't doubt God's love.
I'm gonna have a blast in Heaven!

What exact point were you trying to make?
 

Moonbeam

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You're kind of stuck on this nazi stuff hey? Moonbeam is harmless. I believe you know that. If he's racist, it's against all of humanity for being unenlightened. That just makes us dumb, not bad people. Do I have that right Moonie dear?
No. Our unenlightened state is not our fault and not because we are dumb. It is because we are afraid to remember our pain. Had we not been able to suppress it as children we would have been physically murdered. Many children are. There is nothing like a child's need for love to bring out our feeling of inadequacy. But our defenses are dangerous and self destructive today.

agent is an idiot because he intentionally distorts what I say and every clarification I provide him with he re-distorts to shoehorn me into his favorite box. His thinking is illogical and absurdly constructed. The real question, I think, is whether he's actually that inept, or rather, out to hurt. So strike out idiot and put in inept thinker or prick.
 

Moonbeam

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I lack nothing.
My pastures are green.
My waters are quiet.
My soul ain't dirty!
My path is good with God. For God's sake and my own.
My darkest paths, God and I give me the strength and the trust I need within myself to get through.
I have no enemies.
Yeah, my head's been oiled.
My cup does overflow.
I don't doubt God's love.
I'm gonna have a blast in Heaven!

What exact point were you trying to make?
Watch the video. You might like it.
 

Younigue

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No. Our unenlightened state is not our fault and not because we are dumb. It is because we are afraid to remember our pain. Had we not been able to suppress it as children we would have been physically murdered. Many children are. There is nothing like a child's need for love to bring out our feeling of inadequacy. But our defenses are dangerous and self destructive today.

agent is an idiot because he intentionally distorts what I say and every clarification I provide him with he re-distorts to shoehorn me into his favorite box. His thinking is illogical and absurdly constructed. The real question, I think, is whether he's actually that inept, or rather, out to hurt. So strike out idiot and put in inept thinker or prick.

Don't blame children's murders on the children. That's messed up. They don't have the capacity to get all hooey in the brain like you to protect themselves or the physical strength.

Darlin', you were the one who was afraid. You fixed it the way that makes sense to you. I had a good childhood despite my father. My umpteen million siblings would say the same. There is no fear to overcome. My defenses have served me well, as have my instincts. I have no reason to to re-evaluate or re-structure them. Fear does not rule me and never will for long. I don't have the stamina for it.

agent... I would use the word antagonistic. However, you are the one who chooses to feel antagonized by him. It matters not whether that is his intention. You think he is absurd and illogical... step back for a moment, he's telling you he thinks you are absurd and illogical. You just don't like the words he's choosing to convey that to you.
 

Younigue

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Watch the video. You might like it.

I tried, I couldn't get through it. Too much activity around the house today. Maybe Monday, but I'll probably forget about it by then.

You didn't answer me, why did you weaponize the *boop*? It was completely unwarranted.

*boop* By the way, I've got my 28 year old nephew doing the boop to his friends now. I told him to blame a guy named Moonbeam.
 
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agent00f

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You're kind of stuck on this nazi stuff hey? Moonbeam is harmless. I believe you know that. If he's racist, it's against all of humanity for being unenlightened. That just makes us dumb, not bad people. Do I have that right Moonie dear?

Analogies are useful for illuminating close situations by creating enough distance that we can see perspective from afar. In this situation, not much of analogy is necessary given that moonbeam literally absolves responsibility for the absolute worst elements such as nazis/confederates insofar as it's necessary to maintain his personal ego. When one person does it, it's relatively harmless, akin to one racist. When a society does it, it becomes racism, the same sort that resulted in segregation when a particular society decided to sympathize with sons of the confederacy.

I supposed from the perspective of criminal justice, a crime requires mens rea, and moonbeam doesn't necessarily intend to cause material harm. But on the other hand, he's clearly degenerate enough that he doesn't care if he does when whatever costs are balanced against benefit to his ego.

Not intentionally a hypocrite. He's hiding and from what he has said of his past he believes it's serving him well to hide. 'Mind you, he would die again *sigh* before acknowledging that he is hiding. He's got his soul in the fetal position and protecting it, telling it to stay right where it is because the world is just too brutal for it to endure. He soothes it by whispering softly that brutal is no different than kind, hate is nothing and neither is love so you mustn't rely on it. Through my conversations with him... He has no malicious intent. The only thing that confuses me about him is that he thinks his answers are and should be everyone's answers. He's chosen an isolating path but then gets mad that everyone won't choose to be isolated together with him. Whether he knows it or not, he's a work in progress (as are we all) who thinks he knows where his journey is taking him, though he'll deny that. He's in a tough spot... He fights with such commitment that it will likely be difficult to allow himself to change in any direction that doesn't line up with what he believes today. *shrug* I like him even though I don't think he wants me (specifically) to (we're BFF's!). Maybe one day he'll see that not one of us is telling him who or how to be but he absolutely is telling everyone that any way but his way is stupid.

He's turned a coping technique in to a religion.

As mentioned, his situation isn't uncommon in psych treatment. Clinicians are literally instructed to diagnose childhood trauma and teach coping skills, though preferably by facing up to traumatizing events rather than suppressing/forgetting them. There a recurring theory among professional historians that religious leaders tend to be psych cases, who're presumably describing their internal mental journey which become narrated into these fantastical stories.
 

Younigue

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Analogies are useful for illuminating close situations by creating enough distance that we can see perspective from afar. In this situation, not much of analogy is necessary given that moonbeam literally absolves responsibility for the absolute worst elements such as nazis/confederates insofar as it's necessary to maintain his personal ego. When one person does it, it's relatively harmless, akin to one racist. When a society does it, it becomes racism, the same sort that resulted in segregation when a particular society decided to sympathize with sons of the confederacy.

I supposed from the perspective of criminal justice, a crime requires mens rea, and moonbeam doesn't necessarily intend to cause material harm. But on the other hand, he's clearly degenerate enough that he doesn't care if he does when whatever costs are balanced against benefit to his ego.



As mentioned, his situation isn't uncommon in psych treatment. Clinicians are literally instructed to diagnose childhood trauma and teach coping skills, though preferably by facing up to traumatizing events rather than suppressing/forgetting them. There a recurring theory among professional historians that religious leaders tend to be psych cases, who're presumably describing their internal mental journey which become narrated into these fantastical stories.

I don't disagree that there is something up [mentally] with zealots and their leaders. Moonie is a bit of a zealot.

However, the racist thing is still wrong. Hee doesn't only sympathize with nazi's... He sympathizes with everybody and nobody and the enlightenment he wishes upon and threatens us all with is what he wants us to do to ourselves... our experience, live, embrace.

It's just too dark for me. I will continue to feel all of my emotions as they arise and not hate them or myself for them. Like I said, I love my life. I love me and that's all God expects of me. Of course there is work to be done in order to achieve loving one's life and self and I do it. Hating myself is just too uncomfortable. Nothinging myself would be impossible.
 
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