Dark Knight movie/plot discussion

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: MrMaster
I can't read all of this but I just want to say Maggie is the "girl next door." I've heard it at work and I've read it here that she isn't gorgous. She isn't suppose to be. Bruce can have all the models in the world but would settle for the girl next door if he had a chance.

Well, I though Katie Holmes had the 'girl next door' look. She was just so lifeless in Batman Begin (IMO). Maggie is way more animated and a better actress than Katie Holmes but there were times when she looked way older than she actually is.

I've heard Droopy and Miss Piggy both accurately used to describe how bad she really looked in some scenes.

I'd say that's pretty accurate. I'm a fan of Maggie as an actress, as I think she has talent... but I don't always find her attractive. Katie, on the other hand, is both always attractive and a home-town favorite (grew up in Toledo), but she doesn't always perform up to standard.
Maggie, in some scenes, looked very good, young, and lively, while in others looked older, plump, and without any energy.
Her interrogation scene was probably her best scene as far as beauty and energy goes.

As a whole, regardless of actress, I am sad that the character is gone. That completely surprised me.

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[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: destrekor
As a whole, regardless of actress, I am sad that the character is gone. That completely surprised me.

well this leaves the possibility of him, as Batman, revealing to another potential girlfriend that he's really Bruce, before jumping off of a building

 

[jiffer]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that Rachel as played by Maggie was a lot more sultry (when she was with Harvey) than Rachel as played by Katie (at any point in Batman Begins). But maybe that's because Rachel was supposed to be more outwardly in love with Harvey Dent than she was (earlier) with Bruce.

I don't have a problem with Maggie's appearance, but I suppose a lot of people are very demanding when it comes to movie stars. (That is certainly the way that Hollywood operates.)

On a positive note, I was impressed by Katie's subtle expressions in Batman Begins, especially when she found out that Batman was actually Bruce, and when she walked up to him when he was nailing the boards over the well. (The problem for me was that the camera never lingered long enough on anything to see it well the first time.) Rachel (the character) was always a bit cocky, and she seemed to think that she was invincible, and I thought that Katie and Maggie both did a good job of portraying Rachel that way.

 

[Svnla]

I vote jiffer as ATOT official movie reviewer, kinda like a nerdy version of Ebert & Roeper At The Movie

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: Kev
How did batman and rachel survive the drop off the building when joker "let her go"??

I was kind of wondering about that myself. They fell a long way and Batman didn't deploy his wings or a parachute or whatever, and they just slammed into a car.

batman might have deployed his wings, but they couldnt handle the weight of both rachael and batman, so the wings just slowed them down a bit instead of allowing them to fly.

ah ok that makes sense.

This was the only moment of the movie that I can recall off-hand that was really a "oh come on now" moment. With the amount of damage done to the car, there's no way they wouldn't be seriously injured. However, I have no problems suspending disbeliefs for sweet comic book movies - so rock on Batman.

I'm also inclined to believe that his suit is capable of displacing blows/impacts, so he was able to slow their fall somewhat with his cape/wings and then break the fall with the suit absorbing much of the impact - which would help explain why he survived a fall later on and Dent did not (although Dent's fate is also up for debate I guess). Landing on a car would also help seeing as how it can give way much more than concrete would

Sounds like another episode of Myth Busters.

I may be mistaken but it looked as if he used he shot something off just before falling?

Originally posted by: Locut0s
Harvey Dent was nicely done too. Though I thought they wen't a little overboard with Two Face's make-up, he looked too much like the Terminator (hard not to laugh when you see him sometimes).

I agree, I didn't like the way they made Two Face look. It was too fake in a movie where everything else looked so real. I think burned, wrinkled skin would have been more effective.

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
My usual metric relies on the old "could that have been better," and with regards to his performance, I definitely believe that it was as good as it could have been.

I almost read the end of your sentence as "as good as it gets" haha

Did anyone answer how Rachel was taken from Bruce's penthouse?

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Ballatician

I agree, I didn't like the way they made Two Face look. It was too fake in a movie where everything else looked so real. I think burned, wrinkled skin would have been more effective.

I've gotten in long arguments with every single one of my friends that disagrees with two face's make up.

#1 It's better than the pink facepaint from Batman Forever, that's for sure.
#2 Skin and flesh that are burnt away completely with turpentine don't look wrinkly, they look charred.

I love what they did with his make-up, err, CG effects I guess. Seeing the tendons in his face move when he talked was fucking awesome.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Ballatician

I agree, I didn't like the way they made Two Face look. It was too fake in a movie where everything else looked so real. I think burned, wrinkled skin would have been more effective.

I've gotten in long arguments with every single one of my friends that disagrees with two face's make up.

#1 It's better than the pink facepaint from Batman Forever, that's for sure.
#2 Skin and flesh that are burnt away completely with turpentine don't look wrinkly, they look charred.

I love what they did with his make-up, err, CG effects I guess. Seeing the tendons in his face move when he talked was fucking awesome.

I didn't mind the look too much, but what I did mind is how half his mouth was missing but his speech wasn't messed up at all. The CG was done well enough to make myself believe it, but when he talked completely normally like all of his lip was still there it ruined it for me.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Ballatician
I may be mistaken but it looked as if he used he shot something off just before falling?

He deployed one of his wings with one arm but couldn't deploy the other because he was holding onto Rachel with his other arm, but apparently the one wing was enough as they both survived.

Did anyone answer how Rachel was taken from Bruce's penthouse?

She left of her own free will because she was pissed that Dent turned himself in as Batman instead of Bruce. This is when she gave Alfred the letter to give to Bruce...

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: destrekor
As a whole, regardless of actress, I am sad that the character is gone. That completely surprised me.

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A friend at work and I have been conjecturing whether or not this hints at a possible Catwoman appearance in the next movie. Remember when Bruce brought Lucius Fox the design for his new Batman outfit? He asked how it would do against dogs and then against cats...

Still, I'm not sure how they are going to top the Dark Knight. The movie was so fantastic that Nolan has really painted himself into a corner.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: destrekor
As a whole, regardless of actress, I am sad that the character is gone. That completely surprised me.

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A friend at work and I have been conjecturing whether or not this hints at a possible Catwoman appearance in the next movie. Remember when Bruce brought Lucius Fox the design for his new Batman outfit? He asked how it would do against dogs and then against cats...

Still, I'm not sure how they are going to top the Dark Knight. The movie was so fantastic that Nolan has really painted himself into a corner.

Nolan's a genius. I don't fear his ability to top himself. Although, while I think he could top The Dark Knight, the fact that there is no more Joker means that it might be very hard, as Joker is an element of the movie that made it so damned amazing. But... the rest I think Nolan could easily outdo.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Queasy
A friend at work and I have been conjecturing whether or not this hints at a possible Catwoman appearance in the next movie. Remember when Bruce brought Lucius Fox the design for his new Batman outfit? He asked how it would do against dogs and then against cats...

Still, I'm not sure how they are going to top the Dark Knight. The movie was so fantastic that Nolan has really painted himself into a corner.

I made a comment on this earlier how they said Catwoman is one of the characters that they won't do.

Originally posted by: jiffer
I don't have a problem with Maggie's appearance, but I suppose a lot of people are very demanding when it comes to movie stars. (That is certainly the way that Hollywood operates.)

I think it's simply that she looks older than she really is.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: destrekor
As a whole, regardless of actress, I am sad that the character is gone. That completely surprised me.

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A friend at work and I have been conjecturing whether or not this hints at a possible Catwoman appearance in the next movie. Remember when Bruce brought Lucius Fox the design for his new Batman outfit? He asked how it would do against dogs and then against cats...

Still, I'm not sure how they are going to top the Dark Knight. The movie was so fantastic that Nolan has really painted himself into a corner.

IIRC, the transaction went something along the lines of Bruce requesting lighter armor that could also stop dogs (as he was actually injured by one in the opening Batman sequence), with Lucious making a joke about a chihuahua but then being a little bit more serious about how it would surely stop a cat...so it really could just be coincidence merely because of the joking banter between Bruce and Luscious as they pretend they're not doing Batman business...of course it could also be pretty clever foreshadowing.

I think it could be done, but they'd need to drop the obvious silliness from Batman Returns or anything similar. A workable scenario would be something along the line (IMO) of her already being a highly skilled cat burglar who decides to play the copycat game and mimic what Batman has been doing, using her thefts to fund her crime fighting. Considering how TDK ended, it would be likely that Batman has become far less effective with the police really actively hunting him this time (considering he accepted responsibility for 5 murders, including 2 cops), so it would be pretty good motivation for a character such as Catwoman to take up a vigilante role to help pick up the slack. Of course she'd be more on the gray/dark side of things, much more of an antihero than Batman as she wouldn't have his rule(s)...

However she wouldn't be a true nemesis or villain, so that still leaves us with that question. But when considering they've already exhausted 4 pretty significant villains, not including the mob, I think we might be better off seeing a break in the formula. I really think a 3rd movie could be about Batman trying to find a way to make Gotham self sufficient and finally give it up...its been hinted at as a goal in both movies thus far, although it does appear to have hit some major setbacks.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: destrekor
As a whole, regardless of actress, I am sad that the character is gone. That completely surprised me.

+

A friend at work and I have been conjecturing whether or not this hints at a possible Catwoman appearance in the next movie. Remember when Bruce brought Lucius Fox the design for his new Batman outfit? He asked how it would do against dogs and then against cats...

Still, I'm not sure how they are going to top the Dark Knight. The movie was so fantastic that Nolan has really painted himself into a corner.

IIRC, the transaction went something along the lines of Bruce requesting lighter armor that could also stop dogs (as he was actually injured by one in the opening Batman sequence), with Lucious making a joke about a chihuahua but then being a little bit more serious about how it would surely stop a cat...so it really could just be coincidence merely because of the joking banter between Bruce and Luscious as they pretend they're not doing Batman business...of course it could also be pretty clever foreshadowing.

Yeah, I didn't have the exact quote so I was just kind of winging it.

I think it could be done, but they'd need to drop the obvious silliness from Batman Returns or anything similar. A workable scenario would be something along the line (IMO) of her already being a highly skilled cat burglar who decides to play the copycat game and mimic what Batman has been doing, using her thefts to fund her crime fighting. Considering how TDK ended, it would be likely that Batman has become far less effective with the police really actively hunting him this time (considering he accepted responsibility for 5 murders, including 2 cops), so it would be pretty good motivation for a character such as Catwoman to take up a vigilante role to help pick up the slack. Of course she'd be more on the gray/dark side of things, much more of an antihero than Batman as she wouldn't have his rule(s)...

However she wouldn't be a true nemesis or villain, so that still leaves us with that question. But when considering they've already exhausted 4 pretty significant villains, not including the mob, I think we might be better off seeing a break in the formula. I really think a 3rd movie could be about Batman trying to find a way to make Gotham self sufficient and finally give it up...its been hinted at as a goal in both movies thus far, although it does appear to have hit some major setbacks.

Well, there is going to have to be a villain from Batman's rogue's gallery. I just don't see how you could have a Batman movie without it. The problem is, the rogue's gallery really starts hitting the wall of realism set up in Nolan's Batman.

Ridder - Maybe
Catwoman - Maybe
Clayface - nope
Deadshot - Maybe
Firefly - possible if kept to the pyromaniac angle
Killer Croc - Nope
Killer Moth - Maybe. Minor mostly unheard of villain though.
Mad Hatter - Nope
Man-Bat - Nope
Mr. Freeze - Nope
Penguin - Nope
Poison Ivy - Nope (and a hell no after Batman Returns)
Hugo Strange - possible and could allow a venture into Arkham?
Ventriloquist/Scarface - Nope

 

[zerocool84]

I finally saw this movie and I'm sorry to say it is WAAAAAY over hyped. People got my hopes up way too much. The first hour and a half was great but then it dragged after that. The movie dwelled on two-face for much too long. They should have ended it when to-face killed those people and set up for the next movie. Heath Ledger was good in the movie but not Oscar good. I'm sure that other people could have played it. It was a good movie but not as good as everybody played it out to be.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I finally saw this movie and I'm sorry to say it is WAAAAAY over hyped. People got my hopes up way too much. The first hour and a half was great but then it dragged after that. The movie dwelled on two-face for much too long. They should have ended it when to-face killed those people and set up for the next movie. Heath Ledger was good in the movie but not Oscar good. I'm sure that other people could have played it. It was a good movie but not as good as everybody played it out to be.

please list a movie you think is good, so we can verify your ability to judge a movie's quality.

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Ballatician
I may be mistaken but it looked as if he used he shot something off just before falling?

He deployed one of his wings with one arm but couldn't deploy the other because he was holding onto Rachel with his other arm, but apparently the one wing was enough as they both survived.

Did anyone answer how Rachel was taken from Bruce's penthouse?

She left of her own free will because she was pissed that Dent turned himself in as Batman instead of Bruce. This is when she gave Alfred the letter to give to Bruce...

Ah, thanks.

For anyone that's interested, here is an awesome wallpaper of the financial center in Hong Kong that shows the building Batman jumped off of in the movie.

http://interfacelift.com/wallp.../1638/dark_knight.html

Many different sizes available. :thumbsup:

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: zerocool84
I finally saw this movie and I'm sorry to say it is WAAAAAY over hyped. People got my hopes up way too much. The first hour and a half was great but then it dragged after that. The movie dwelled on two-face for much too long. They should have ended it when to-face killed those people and set up for the next movie. Heath Ledger was good in the movie but not Oscar good. I'm sure that other people could have played it. It was a good movie but not as good as everybody played it out to be.

please list a movie you think is good, so we can verify your ability to judge a movie's quality.

I didn't say it was a bad movie but didn't live up to the hype that everybody on here and friends made it out to be. Oh and one of my fave movies is Mystic River. Great movie.

 

[jiffer]

Originally posted by: Ballatician
For anyone that's interested, here is an awesome wallpaper of the financial center in Hong Kong that shows the building Batman jumped off of in the movie.

http://interfacelift.com/wallp.../1638/dark_knight.html

Many different sizes available. :thumbsup:

Thanks. Those are really nice.

 

[Fritzo]

I just had a realization about the movie:

At the end, when Batman told Gordon to blame the murders on him, he NEEDED to do that. The Joker proved that Batman's weakness is he won't kill---which removed the fear from Batman's persona. Without fear, Batman is ineffective. The murder rap would re-establish that fear he requires.

Brilliant!

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I just had a realization about the movie:

At the end, when Batman told Gordon to blame the murders on him, he NEEDED to do that. The Joker proved that Batman's weakness is he won't kill---which removed the fear from Batman's persona. Without fear, Batman is ineffective. The murder rap would re-establish that fear he requires.

Brilliant!

Yea, brilliant the whole pacifist batman thing...:roll: apparently batman is a poseur..

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I just had a realization about the movie:

At the end, when Batman told Gordon to blame the murders on him, he NEEDED to do that. The Joker proved that Batman's weakness is he won't kill---which removed the fear from Batman's persona. Without fear, Batman is ineffective. The murder rap would re-establish that fear he requires.

Brilliant!

Yea, brilliant the whole pacifist batman thing...:roll: apparently batman is a poseur..

Do you even know what a pacifist is? Batman used violence in both movies.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I just had a realization about the movie:

At the end, when Batman told Gordon to blame the murders on him, he NEEDED to do that. The Joker proved that Batman's weakness is he won't kill---which removed the fear from Batman's persona. Without fear, Batman is ineffective. The murder rap would re-establish that fear he requires.

Brilliant!

Yea, brilliant the whole pacifist batman thing...:roll: apparently batman is a poseur..

Do you even know what a pacifist is? Batman used violence in both movies.

Oh.... Sorrrrrrryyyyy--eee... he's not a pacifist, he just has to lie to make people afraid of him.. great :thumbsup:

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I just had a realization about the movie:

At the end, when Batman told Gordon to blame the murders on him, he NEEDED to do that. The Joker proved that Batman's weakness is he won't kill---which removed the fear from Batman's persona. Without fear, Batman is ineffective. The murder rap would re-establish that fear he requires.

Brilliant!

Yea, brilliant the whole pacifist batman thing...:roll: apparently batman is a poseur..

Do you even know what a pacifist is? Batman used violence in both movies.

Oh.... Sorrrrrrryyyyy--eee... he's not a pacifist, he just has to lie to make people afraid of him.. great :thumbsup:

right, because he doesn't take justice into his own hands, he just delivers them up for the system to do its work. Ultimately, Batman does little more than close the loopholes in the system, but anyone with half a brain should easily realize this...

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Fritzo
I just had a realization about the movie:

At the end, when Batman told Gordon to blame the murders on him, he NEEDED to do that. The Joker proved that Batman's weakness is he won't kill---which removed the fear from Batman's persona. Without fear, Batman is ineffective. The murder rap would re-establish that fear he requires.

Brilliant!

Yea, brilliant the whole pacifist batman thing...:roll: apparently batman is a poseur..

Yes.

WE GET IT.

You had your say for over 2 pages. Now you're just fucking trolling.

 

[sale1980]

I was totally blown away by the fact that they not only had an excellent portrayal of the Joker in the movie, but the fact that they incorporated Two-Face was just fricken awesome! I remember distinctly watching the old batman cartoons with Two-Face and I got completely excited and almost wanted to say out loud "OMG Thats Two-Face!!" when he was first in the hospital and I noticed the double sided coin. Absolutely fantastic movie.

Didn't you notice the coin in the first seconds of the movie? When he was in court, he flipped the coin.