Dark Knight movie/plot discussion

[jiffer]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Joker wasn't exactly suicidal, he wanted Batman to break his rule and hit him (thus more than likely killing him). He didn't necessarily want to beat Batman, he just wanted to break him...he wanted to do the same with Harvey, although I get the feeling he could have easily used a a trick gun in case Harvey actually did pull the trigger...of course I don't think we'll ever really know for sure, but its probably best to take that scene at face value.

It was a real gun, not a trick gun. The Joker used it to kill the guard when he walked into Harvey's hospital room.

The Joker kept saying, "I'm a man of my word," and I don't think he ever did anything to prove otherwise.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Dirigible

Originally posted by: jiffer

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I've been wondering. When the Joker visited Harvey in the hospital room, the Joker gave his gun to Harvey and even pointed it at his own head. He was going to LET Harvey kill him. When Harvey indicated that he would let the coin flip determine the Joker's fate, the Joker said, "That's more like it!" Obviously, the coin toss was in the Joker's favor, so Harvey didn't shoot him. But I wonder, if the coin toss had not been in the Joker's favor, would he have stopped Harvey from shooting him, or was he crazy enough to accept the coin toss? If he was really that crazy...that's REALLY crazy.

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With regards to this question, yes I believe the Joker would've let Harvey kill him. When Batman was bearing down on the Joker on his motorcycle, the Joker kept saying, "Come on, do it," or something like that, indicating he wanted to Batman to kill him by running him over with the motorcycle. So I do believe the Joker had some desire to be killed, at least at times.

Joker wasn't exactly suicidal, he wanted Batman to break his rule and hit him (thus more than likely killing him). He didn't necessarily want to beat Batman, he just wanted to break him...he wanted to do the same with Harvey, although I get the feeling he could have easily used a a trick gun in case Harvey actually did pull the trigger...of course I don't think we'll ever really know for sure, but its probably best to take that scene at face value.

Another thing to point out is that the Joker mentioned how he knew his victims/foes more than their friends ever can; especially when pushed to the brink (I forgot the exact quote, but Joker said that to that cop when inside the interrogation room while Batman and Gordon were racing to the locations of Dent and Rachel). Joker, although extremely psychotic, knew the underpinnings of the people he tormented rather well. To him, everything was a psychology experiment. He probably analyzed the psychosis of many people through his criminal career to come to the level of understanding he had in the movie.

 

[jiffer]

Originally posted by: Dirigible
With regards to this question, yes I believe the Joker would've let Harvey kill him. When Batman was bearing down on the Joker on his motorcycle, the Joker kept saying, "Come on, do it," or something like that, indicating he wanted to Batman to kill him by running him over with the motorcycle. So I do believe the Joker had some desire to be killed, at least at times.

He said, "Come on! Hit me! I WANT you to!" He wanted Batman to break his rule against killing people. At the last second, Batman decided that he couldn't do it.

I cracked up when Gordon pointed his gun at the Joker (who was about to cut up Batman's face with his knife) to arrest him, and the Joker said, "Oh come on, just a few more minutes." What a card.