Dark Knight movie/plot discussion

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?

Yes.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?

yes, he switched the 2 addresses because he knew batman would want to go for rachel.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I wonder how they'll incorporate Robin into the series. WILL REESE BE ROBIN??

I can sort of see the set up. Batman is hated in the city, he can no longer appear, so he trains someone else in his place. ROBIN!

Christian Bale said he would stop being batman if they cast Robin in one of the movies.

and chris nolan said he would not direct a batman movie with robin in it.

 

[KeithTalent]

Is Two-face dead? Wasn't sure about that part.

KT

 

[Tim]

I saw it last night, I give it 4 out of 5 stars, or 8.5 on a scale of 1-10.
Yes is was pretty good, but yes, it has been greatly over-hyped IMHO.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I wonder how they'll incorporate Robin into the series. WILL REESE BE ROBIN??

I can sort of see the set up. Batman is hated in the city, he can no longer appear, so he trains someone else in his place. ROBIN!

Christian Bale said he would stop being batman if they cast Robin in one of the movies.

and chris nolan said he would not direct a batman movie with robin in it.

And Bale has said he wouldn't do another Batman movie without Nolan...

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: jiffer

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Based on what the Joker said to Batman in the interrogation cell, he knows that Batman is Bruce Wayne, correct?

That's a good question, but I don't think so. If I recall correctly, the Joker said he was ready to believe that Dent was really Batman because Batman jumped out the window so fast to catch Rachel when she fell out the window. Only someone who was madly in love with her would do that, and Dent was madly in love with Rachel, so...it was easy to believe that Dent could be Batman. I think that's all the Joker meant.

The Joker clearly implied that he had the impression that Batman was in love with Rachel, since Batman was so eager to save Rachel's life. That is one of the reasons why he forced Batman to decide whether to save Rachel or whether to save Dent. But did the Joker have any reason to believe that Bruce Wayne was in love with Rachel? I don't think so. So I don't think he made the connection between Batman and Bruce Wayne.



By the way, I don't think there's any way the Joker could have understood all the reasons why Dent was so important to Batman. Dent was on the team with the "good guys" and he posed a threat to the gangsters, so he was on the list of targets along with the Police Commissioner and the Mayor. The Joker also understood that Dent was supposed to be a hero to Gotham, which is another reason why the Joker took an interest in bringing him down. But I don't think the Joker realized that Batman wanted Dent to replace him as the hero of Gotham so he could retire, and I don't think the Joker knew Batman's reason for wanting to retire--i.e., to be with Rachel. If Dent could take Batman's place, then Gotham wouldn't need Batman anymore, and Rachel had told Bruce that maybe he had a chance with her if the man she loved "came back", so Bruce wanted to retire as soon as he could. That's one of the main reasons why Dent's success was so important to Bruce. Alfred understood that, which is why he burned the letter Rachel wrote in which she explained that she was marrying Dent and she wouldn't be in love with Bruce when he stopped being Batman. And we understood it, because we heard the relevant dialogue. But I don't think there's any way the Joker could have known all of that.

I have watched the movie twice now, and I realized I was misinterpreting something the Joker said. His comment about how he "threw himself after her," was a literal comment, not a figurative one.

 

[Journer]

disappearing pencil is the best trick evar

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Some things we might see in an upcoming Batman movie, based on what we saw in the first two. Feel free to add to the list.

There may be a bigger gap in between the second and third movie, movie time-wise, than between the first two. Gotham may fall more into darkness and decay, and Wayne Manor will be rebuilt.

Batman is now being actively hunted, and Gordon has to keep his communications with him on the lowdown. The stress of the job may start making him go gray a bit early. Batman feels trapped in his job since the death of Harvey Dent, and might be more prone to depression. His morals might begin to erode a bit.

A new BatMobile, based on the one they used for the first two but with modifications now that it was destroyed and they have learned more about their needs in a vehicle of that nature. Possibly a separate BatCycle, though I love the concept of it being an escape vehicle from the BatMobile. So much better than the skinny BatMobile from Batman Returns.

First appearance of the BatWing. The SkyHook operation is too useful to leave it as a one trick pony. It would be better if it could be done with an automated aircraft, or remotely controlled on a temporary basis by Lucius. Make it VTOL and stealth-capable so he doesn't have to depend on airlines to get him into other countries.

 

[cruzer]

Anyone else unhappy with the casting of Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel? Howard Stern was right - she didn't have the looks to pull it off, her face was literally drooping in some closeups. Maybe the producers realized this and pushed to have her character killed off.

 

[andylawcc]

frankly, I don't really care who was casted as Rachel Dawes; her role is much smaller than anyone else in TDK. So as long as it wasn't jessica simpson or paris hilton I am fine with that.

also, i personally didn't get the "how much Gotham hates Batman" dilemma. Yes, from the press conference (where Harvey saying he is the Batman) all the people voted to arrest batman. but wtf, batman saved them in various other incidents, do the citizen of gotham have any idea of that?
Either the movie failed to drive that point further, or I failed to be receptive.

 

[LostUte]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
frankly, I don't really care who was casted as Rachel Dawes; her role is much smaller than anyone else in TDK. So as long as it wasn't jessica simpson or paris hilton I am fine with that.

also, i personally didn't get the "how much Gotham hates Batman" dilemma. Yes, from the press conference (where Harvey saying he is the Batman) all the people voted to arrest batman. but wtf, batman saved them in various other incidents, do the citizen of gotham have any idea of that?
Either the movie failed to drive that point further, or I failed to be receptive.

They didn't hate him. They were scared of the Joker.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: HN

Originally posted by: crisscross
Heath Ledger was great.. though a lil more humour from him would have been nice.

how 'bout more magic tricks?

TADA!!!!

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: LostUte

They didn't hate him. They were scared of the Joker.

so after Joker's 'final' arrest, why did the cops still chase Batman in the last scene? Even Gordon's son said why is he running away and gordon sr gave a full minute speech behind it.

 

[sygyzy]

Can anyone help answer the following questions:

1. What is Scarecrow's role in this film? I saw him in the movie but I am not sure what I am supposed to get out of it. I don't recall the last Batman movie except I know he was defeated by Batman. Why is he free and running around? Is he a small bit player in Joker's gang now?

2. What is Harvey Dent so upset about that makes him change to Two-Face? Is it that they chose to save him instead of Rachel? Or that there were corrupt people on the force? There were corrupt cops alluded to in the rest of the movie and Dent didn't seem concerned at all. He was all chipper about it.

3. Why was the guy from Prison Break (at the bank, with the shotgun) so hell bent on stopping the robbery? Why did he say "Do you know who you are stealing from?" Did he mean the mob?

4. Why are all the criminals working together (before the Joker arrived)? Did Lau arrange this?

5. How does Batman make his voice sound so coarse when he's talking? Does he use a voice changer machine?

6. Did they ever figure out who was telling the Joker which notes were trackers? (Bank notes)

 

[goog40]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: LostUte

They didn't hate him. They were scared of the Joker.

so after Joker's 'final' arrest, why did the cops still chase Batman in the last scene? Even Gordon's son said why is he running away and gordon sr gave a full minute speech behind it.

Because Gordan had radio-ed in that Batman was responsible for the 5 murders in order to save Dent's image. Gotham needed to remember Dent as a hero, so Batman had to be the fall guy.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Estrella

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?

Yes.

Are you sure? I thought Batman told Two Face he saved him because the city needed him?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
Can anyone help answer the following questions:

1. What is Scarecrow's role in this film? I saw him in the movie but I am not sure what I am supposed to get out of it. I don't recall the last Batman movie except I know he was defeated by Batman. Why is he free and running around? Is he a small bit player in Joker's gang now?

2. What is Harvey Dent so upset about that makes him change to Two-Face? Is it that they chose to save him instead of Rachel? Or that there were corrupt people on the force? There were corrupt cops alluded to in the rest of the movie and Dent didn't seem concerned at all. He was all chipper about it.

3. Why was the guy from Prison Break (at the bank, with the shotgun) so hell bent on stopping the robbery? Why did he say "Do you know who you are stealing from?" Did he mean the mob?

4. Why are all the criminals working together (before the Joker arrived)? Did Lau arrange this?

5. How does Batman make his voice sound so coarse when he's talking? Does he use a voice changer machine?

6. Did they ever figure out who was telling the Joker which notes were trackers? (Bank notes)

1. I have the same question. It seemed like he was small-time drug dealer now or something, but I wasn't really sure.

2. Because they saved him instead of Rachel, effectively just letting her die. Also the corrupstion is partly what led to her death, so he'd put his faith in Gordon and the force and it stabbed him in the back. He essentially lost all that was important to him.

3. Yes, the mob and that's why he said that. I think it was to show how the Joker didn't give a crap and would just after anything, even from those powerful guys, plus it also started off the entire plot of the movie.

4. Because the Batman has them scared, so for them to have any hope of surviving in their business, they need to work together. Joker alludes to this when he says "I know why you meet in broad daylight" etc...

5. Not sure how, I think he just can talk that way. I can't imagine it being a voice changer since his mouth is fully exposed in the suit.

6. Well I believe they said Ramirez was on the take, so she could have been tipping him off.

KT

 

[timosyy]

What surprised me most about the movie actually was that they didn't put a memorial to ledger before the credits.

Also for 1) about the Scarecrow, I think they just put him in because in the Batman comics villains seem to rotate in and out of Arkham all the time. + introduce the batman copycats.

 

[Estrella]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Estrella

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?

Yes.

Are you sure? I thought Batman told Two Face he saved him because the city needed him?

After the fact, yes. However, Batman clearly went to save Rachel when the addresses were given by the Joker.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Estrella

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Right before the bomb went off and killed Rachel, wasn't batman going to save her? Did Joker give him the wrong address so he ended up saving Harvey?

Yes.

Are you sure? I thought Batman told Two Face he saved him because the city needed him?

He told him the city needed him before Harvey became two-face when he was holding one of the corrupt cops hostage. However batman was originally going to save Rachel but the Joker gave the addresses backwards so it would happen that way.

 

[GTaudiophile]

So, anyone else think old GWB got to the producers? You know, trying to justify wiretapping to catch the insane terrorist?

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So, anyone else think old GWB got to the producers? You know, trying to justify wiretapping to catch the insane terrorist?

<----- P&N

 

[jiffer]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
2. What is Harvey Dent so upset about that makes him change to Two-Face? Is it that they chose to save him instead of Rachel? Or that there were corrupt people on the force? There were corrupt cops alluded to in the rest of the movie and Dent didn't seem concerned at all. He was all chipper about it.

He was on his way to becoming Two-Face even before he lost Rachel. Remember when he was interrogating the guy who disguised himself as a cop to shoot the mayor? Batman had to intervene because Harvey was about to cross over to the dark side. (He was upset because he thought that Gordon had died, and he didn't think that playing by the rules was doing any good.) Remember when Bruce told Alfred that he was retiring as Batman because he realized that he has to become just like a villain in order to fight the villains? Harvey was faced with the same choice, but unlike Batman, Harvey wanted to throw morality out the window because "doing the right thing" only got people killed, and the only way to fight crime was to put aside compunction and toss the coin, because chance is in control of everyone's lives, anyway. His grief at losing Rachel, losing half his face, and losing the fight against chaos pushed him over the edge, but he was already standing at the edge before he "lost everything". Maybe some of the cops in Gordon's unit recognized that about Harvey, and that's why they knew that deep down, Harvey was always "two-faced". (In these movies, even criminals have terrific insights into other people's character.)

 

[KlokWyze]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So, anyone else think old GWB got to the producers? You know, trying to justify wiretapping to catch the insane terrorist?

"No man should be allowed to hold such power!.... but yeah I'll do it."



The movie was too long, they could have shaved off 15 to 20 minutes easily. Other than a ew embarrassing moments it was a good flick. The Joker made me a laugh a few times. Walking out the exploding hospital in the nurse's uniform. LOL